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Nixon & Buzhardt on Watergate investigation and Legal strategy

Tuesday, June 12, 1973 · 9:37 PM–9:56 PM ET · Old Executive Office Building · 7 min

ParticipantsNixon, Richard M. (President); Buzhardt, J. Fred, Jr.Conversation444-026 on Tape 444StartTuesday, June 12, 1973 at 9:37 PMEndTuesday, June 12, 1973 at 9:56 PMRecording deviceOld Executive Office BuildingSourceNixon Library record for 444-026 ↗

President Nixon and White House counsel J. Fred Buzhardt, Jr. met to discuss legal defense strategies regarding ongoing investigations and potential witness reliability. The conversation centered on concerns regarding a witness's propensity for lying and the risk that their testimony could undermine the administration's legal position. They weighed the strategic implications of how specific evidence or documentation might be contested or utilized during formal proceedings.

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They'll work it.
They take 100 stands to.
Not yet.
We're looking for this dark side of the problem.
Figuring he'd spoil the prosecution.
Because on the use of him, the first thing he might do is to go in there and contest everything he did.
He might contest everything he did.
I'll let me ask you this.
If they've got a nail down before he goes there, then what happens?
I think you know that.
I'm worried.
I'm sure he's got a nail down.
I'm not sure.
He's been lying before.
He's been lying before.
He's been lying before.
He's been lying before.
In his case, though, he's already going to purchase it.
Who?
Who said that?
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I'm curious to hear what you want.
Are you sure you're happy?
Boy, are you sure for me?
I'm sure you'll have the law.
What could it have been, Scott?
I think it was except for me and others, but I don't remember having all of those.
He knows as far as he can follow the curve.
Right.
Yeah, I remember we went through all that.
I'm not sure if this kind of document ever could be used.
I mean, that's a... Yeah.
I don't know.
Okay.
Well, I hope you're good.
I don't know what it is, but it doesn't give a crap.
I'm sorry.
I'm sorry.
I'm sorry.
I'm sorry.
I'm sorry.
I'm sorry.
I'm sorry.
I'm sorry.
I'm sorry.
One point that I'm sure you've gotten out of here is the fact that all of this business is going to be ruined.
It's going to be ruined.
It's going to be ruined.
It's going to be ruined.
It's going to be ruined.
It's going to be ruined.
It's going to be ruined.
And what was Sunday afternoon?
I think then, if I grow a sardine, it's pretty hard to get a sardine.
You see what I'm getting at?
Friday, you're not preparing anybody.
Yep.
It's going to be the 2nd of July.
I was trying to figure this out.
We've got about 7 or 8 of them.
All right, Greg, good luck.

On June 12, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon and J. Fred Buzhardt, Jr. met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 9:37 pm to 9:56 pm. The Old Executive Office Building taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 444-026 of the White House Tapes.

Conversation No. 444-26

Date: June 12, 1973
Time: 9:37 pm - 9:56 pm
Location: Executive Office Building

The President talked with J. Fred Buzhardt.

[See Conversation No. 40-43]
  • 040-040 8:21 PM · 11 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and White House operator talked on the telephone at an unknown time between 8:21 pm and 9:28 pm.
  • 040-041 9:28 PM · 2 min — President Richard M. Nixon and Alexander M. Haig, Jr. talked on the telephone from 9:28 pm to 9:30 pm.
  • 040-042 9:30 PM · 10 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and White House operator talked on the telephone at an unknown time between 9:30 pm and 9:37 pm.
  • 444-025 9:30 PM · 8 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and White House operator met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at an unknown time between 9:30 pm and 9:37 pm.
  • 040-043 9:37 PM · 20 min — President Richard M. Nixon and J. Fred Buzhardt, Jr. talked on the telephone from 9:37 pm to 9:56 pm.
  • 040-044 9:56 PM · 21 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and White House operator talked on the telephone at an unknown time between 9:56 pm and 10:18 pm.
  • 040-045 10:18 PM · 21 sec — White House operator and President Richard M. Nixon talked on the telephone at 10:18 pm.
  • 040-046 10:18 PM · 12 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and White House operator talked on the telephone at an unknown time between 10:18 pm and 10:57 pm.

Conversation 444-026, June 13, 1973. White House Tapes, Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, National Archives. Audio and AI transcript via Easy Nixon, https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/444-026 (accessed October 9, 2026).