On February 22, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon, Samuel E. Wyly, Berkeley G. Burrell, John Belindo, Ben Fernandez, James M. Roche, Alan Steelman, Rocco C. Siciliano, Abraham Venable, and Leonard Garment met in the Oval Office of the White House from 11:59 am to 12:21 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 455-005 of the White House Tapes.
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Oh, how are you?
I'm sorry to keep you waiting so long.
We had a long meeting.
I'm sorry to keep you waiting so long.
We had a long meeting.
I'll see you again.
All right.
Here.
Over here.
Here's my line.
Fill in where you can.
Fill in a little.
I've got a lot of pictures here, so.
There.
Good.
I'll mix it up a little bit.
That's good.
Mix is there.
So there.
Like this.
Alright, good.
Our status is to sit in where you need to be.
You know, get a dark pen and stuff like that.
With a private hand factor, you know, that's good.
Why don't we go right ahead with our report here.
But you really have a lot of, a lot of very successful partners who are also very popular.
I don't want them to stop.
But I think we need an advisory council for the future to see sort of a watchdog made.
Because I know that your recommendations were the last ones that were announced.
And so how did we start that proposition?
And to see how these people, I would think that it's just trying to get people to see, if we could get you to cooperate with that, we're all done.
In all various areas, you know, the trouble is, and also I really like this piece, it does a lot of studying, it makes a lot of recommendations.
The question is, what happens?
And after this, we'd like to,
Excellent.
Yeah.
All right.
All right.
All right.
One point I'd like to make, and I think we'd like to see a serious definition of research, is that all of the, sometimes highly publicized differences of opinions, which have different ones, others who are all fairly interested in how to get to these areas.
There's been,
One of the issues I think most of us really have to have is to be able to start a business enterprise, which is, you know, really,
He needs to be an architect and a motivator and provide resources for his minions.
We don't need, in my view, a third number of staff on the federal level.
We need a federal staff and agency.
But we need the government resources, motivation.
to do something for the social good and public good.
I think there are limits to what you can ask the business corporation to do because it's good for the country.
Thank you.
It might be structured, and they offer us as we speak.
The key thing to do is to come in and do small business demonstrations and have a number of little items.
Make sure to push that and get that to the committee.
You need to get it enacted.
So that more of you all can push for that.
Sure, because that space is the most, the great percentage of minority enterprise is small.
I love when we're working and you help us get an order for our team.
Now in Dallas, we brought the food and went all back.
The last four months, I mean, the fourth two years, we shipped $2.2 million worth of food.
And we were about to break even on it.
We've done a good thing.
Some million dollars in our hands went to the federal government, but a million and two went to Stateway and Bloomberg.
And that's why they're named Blue Bellies.
I was very, you know, the only thing you see here is sort of the smog, just some examples of it.
There's a little white-off block standing with flags, and it's a very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very,
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For example, it would be rather amazing, it might be amazing to actually, we will not never understand it enough to reach the ultimate, but the progress is to make regarding carbon credits.
Now that is something people don't understand when we consider driving with them.
black Americans.
There are so many black Americans that own cars, and there are so many cars.
And two years ago, there were so many car dealerships.
Now there are so many car dealerships or franchisees or whatever you like.
That really gets home to people because they can say, well, that makes sense.
And they understand the way that this movie denigrates business and our lives.
Because after all, you've got these car dealerships, and those business, and the water, and the business, and the wheel, and everything.
And it's true.
It's a good business.
It's a good business to have these dealerships out there.
But I recall in 1968, I met two or three people about this.
I think that's what the sailors have on Chicago.
They're not even going to move along.
Of course, the names of the, you know, some of the names, now you've got so many more, I want to say, not just the number, but in terms of the individual terms, so that the individual can see the car owner.
rather than terms, we'd have 35% increase in a small, small to minority category, and that doesn't mean anything, unless you put it in terms .
Mr. President, I can say that that concept isn't really pertinent.
If you take, for instance, the Navajo tribe, 120,000 people on one reservation, and it's not going to get a C or a 14,000 on the reservation, and Navajo is tired of talking about 120,000, and Navajo needs pickups for transportation, pickups for transportation, they've got to buy those pickups, they've got to go to Gallup, they've got to go to Grants, they've got to go off the reservation to get paid for their sheep, they've got to get out of there.
So here's an area where we have basically a very small group, but one where it isn't just the size of the group, but it's the size of the attention that's involved.
In this instance, let's do it.
Can we do something about it?
All right.
And that's the way you find out what the situation is.
So you need deposits.
You don't have to deposit.
over on the subject of banks, where we have a great concern to many with respect to the Spanish-speaking people.
It's deplorable.
Banks and savings and loans.
We have no savings and loans.
Not one in the United States managed and controlled by Spanish-speaking people.
Under this administration, the first Mexican-American savings loan ever to be approved
was approved a few months ago in California.
The first one.
Where is it now?
I don't know.
San Fernando?
California.
Yeah, they ought to have one.
They ought to have one in Orange County, too.
We've got a huge amount.
The banking situation is always the same.
We have four in the United States.
Now, one of the things that delights me about this report is that there are two trusts here that are significant to our people.
Number one is that it is a self-help type of recommendation program where we don't want anybody.
In fact, we don't even grant their handouts.
All we want is the opportunity to participate.
We'll organize all that.
Second, some of the recommendations submitted to your officer do not require legislation, do not require any extension on the part of the federal government.
They do require the strength and the backing of your office.
were direction to the control of the currency to the Federal Home and Bank Board to encourage the increase in the number of financial institutions, which the minority as a whole must participate in as part of entrepreneurship.
And all we want is the opportunity to get in and get the jobs done with our own effort.
And that's the trust of this report.
It's a delightful report.
It's a tremendous...
It's an act of law, Rich.
It's an act of law.
We just want to crack that, right?
And of course, Mr. President, we see the continuation of the council since you said that.
as an opportunity to talk to the corporate structure, like those here, to see if they will buy from the minority vendors, unless it's your own problem, suggest the government has something like the minorities.
I think the big twist is that on the private sector, you know, if you're going to underline that fact, when we talk about that, that would cost me a huge budget too, like $50.
The total GMT in this country is a trillion.
So what we're talking about here isn't a fact.
It isn't a fact.
But for every dollar a federal government spends,
The private sector, they are, well, Spencer Green is five.
So if you break into that, it's there for the action, and it's there for the big money.
So if you're five to one, not actually government, and act in ways that the private sector cannot act because government can act in ways that do not require the...
You know, a lot of us didn't care.
But in the long run, the interesting thing is, however small it may be, it begins to go by geomagical proportions.
One percent you find it worse than a dealer or a franchise or a car or anything.
But you're going to have a son.
Mr. President, they're letting me in.
No shame.
Oh, did he get him started?
He was having some contracts.
Oh, a lot of work.
Good.
A lot of work.
The DuPont company, yeah.
Perfect.
That's where it got started.
Well, yeah, well, basically, let me say, there is not, you know, government contracts are, it had to be, they had to be up for,
You have to be very sure that government has to make an extra effort.
And that's what we've been trying to do, actually, to see that those groups who may not be represented as heavily as they should be in the private sector, the black Americans, the Spanish-speaking Americans, the Spanish-backed Americans, the Indian Americans, the other parties, that they get a little better shot at.
Because basically, they have adopted the assumptions, and that's what we're trying to do.
This is a follow-up to what Sam was indicating.
The Secretary of State has just taken a great many of the recommendations in this particular report, and there's sort of a subtle amount which has to be read in conjunction with the two results to carry on with this.
I'm sorry.
So I, well, I read the points.
Mr. President, before we terminate this, I just want to raise one question.
And that was whether the sentence of approval of the Congress in the United Nations was a sentence as to the timing of action by the administration in this area.
Is it right or is it not right?
It's all agreed that it should be so that further action should be taken.
taken by the administration that's consistent with the recommendations there.
Oh, yes.
To carry it on.
To carry it on, seriously.
But these right now, I think we're on the threshold of the last two years.
Good.
To consolidate what has taken place and in the form of message and legislation, that would inform, I guess, what you're doing.
Yes, sir.
I think that's pretty sound.
I think the only...
I wonder if one was the one you mentioned that allowed the council to abolish it.
Yeah.
Well, that's behind this proposition.
The council made this report.
President indicated approval of the general report.
Well, there may be an item here and there where we want to maybe refine it and improve.
And indicated that the administration would give it school support, give it general recommendations and purposes for the report.
And we also will have in mind some of the numbers to be once in the next year that I trust will cover the report with regard to this.
We will implement and the council will continue to intervene for the purpose of a watchdog to see that the president's directives are carried out.
Because I acknowledge the directives to carry out them.
as they are carried out, and I'm expecting Congress, of course, and myself, and Dr. Geert, and why not some of the other leaders.
But fair enough.
I can't vote for her, or any of the others.
I'll keep mine.
I'll see if I can get it to the department of police tonight.
I'm going to thank all of you here for coming and for waiting.
Good to see you.
Thank you.
How you doing?
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We had a long meeting.
I was meeting with Hodgson on the construction industry.
We're trying to understand whatever.
That is a symbolic thing, I suppose, but the thing that you spoke about, about the $120,000, we've got to get out of those times.
I'll leave my approach and see if there's a deal or not.
All right.
All right.
Do you know how I feel about their guy's life?
I'm certain.
I'm certain.
Why not?
We have a federal safety law in our city.
We have a federal safety law in our city.
Do I have more, Mike?
Give us the tools and we'll get the job done.
We have an office, our NRC is pushing me out.
I got it from every side, but we're for it.
Because it probably is that the Spanish marriage group, you know,
Good to see you.
Good to see you.
Good to see you.
Good to see you.
Hope you're, uh, yeah, all right.
I say this year, the economy's gonna be better.
It's gonna.
That's that.