Nixon White House Tapes › Tape 471 › Conversation 471-016

Nixon, Firestone & O'Donnell on Bob Hope and USO

Wednesday, March 24, 1971 · 11:44 AM–11:50 AM ET · Oval Office · 6 min

ParticipantsNixon, Richard M. (President); Colson, Charles W.; Firestone, Harvey; O'Donnell, Emmett; Bell, George T.; White House photographerConversation471-016 on Tape 471 (tape position 02:31:36–02:38:11)StartWednesday, March 24, 1971 at 11:44 AMEndWednesday, March 24, 1971 at 11:50 AMRecording deviceOval OfficeSourceNixon Library record for 471-016 ↗

President Nixon met with Harvey Firestone, General Emmett O'Donnell, Jr., and George T. Bell for a brief, informal session in the Oval Office that included a photo opportunity. The discussion touched on military service and the contributions of Bob Hope to the USO, with the President specifically criticizing religious leaders for their opposition to Hope's work. The participants also exchanged gifts, including photographs, and witnessed the President sign a proclamation.

  • Bob Hope
  • USO
  • Military support
  • Presidential Proclamation
  • Oval Office photography

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What did you have in mind in the scheduling meeting today?
I don't think there ought to be a prolonged meeting at this point.
Not at that hour and everything.
Yeah, that's right.
All right, fine.
Well then, we'll have to do it over in the EOD because we're gonna have some choir come through here.
So we'll meet over there.
I think we're gonna have to do it, right?
Yeah, yeah, we will.
Well, they're gonna come through the office, see?
Yeah.
Yeah, fine.
How are you?
How are you?
Good to see you.
Good to have you here.
I'm sorry to call you by your slow name.
It's all right.
I'm telling you, you're the old kid.
You've got a pretty good show over here.
Mr. Iger.
Mr. Iger.
Mr. Iger.
Hi, how are you?
How are you?
Good to see you.
You call it your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your,
Ha, ha, ha, it's been patient.
I know you're a pouncy guy.
I know, that's right.
That's really great.
You said you'd best pick it up some time.
Hey, how about this one?
No, I'm going to get out of this thing.
Oh, are you?
Oh, you'd better.
All right, Carl, I can just lean on you.
Aren't you good like this?
Yeah.
Oh, great, great.
You got a good one?
I don't know, the park's all done up here.
But wait, he doesn't need that.
Let me just stand right here.
That's right.
Here we are.
I'm not going to shoot.
I'm just going to break down and shoot from over that way.
Because I don't know.
I'm not going to let him save him right there.
That's right.
You're doing great.
Here's a, here's a, here's a, here's a, here's a,
Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.
Yeah, we got that thing.
I'll give you a video of it.
Yeah, I'll give you one of these.
And another signature.
Mr. President, it's not that General McDonald was my boss for three years.
That was his military game.
Well, is that right?
I personalize that a little so that these people get that kind of a signature that that's what you get.
Oh, yeah.
You know, that's 58.
Well, you can be the...
It was a park.
It was a park.
Oh, yeah, I forgot about that.
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Great.
Would you do that again?
Right.
Do you ever need an inspiration?
Yeah, I thought he was great.
Marvelous.
Yeah, that's a great question.
I've watched him go out in the barn.
I've heard a lot of people.
Apparently you are.
Yeah, you know, he's had a little eye.
There's kind of everything in that cold.
I called him the other day and I told him that
Yeah, what a lousy thing.
I mean, here's a guy that just goes out in the presence of the Patriots and some of our boys, and so these stickers say they're going to give Bob open awards.
I mean, as far as I'm concerned.
These people are supposed to be religious Christians.
My God, can they express differences of opinion?
Can they admire a good man who has given as much to this country as their own?
Time, effort, raise money for the Catholics, for the Protestants, for the Jews, for everybody.
Three and a half million people involved, Americans and military.
Three and a half million Americans.
I have a little training for you here.
That's the presidential complex that you ought to have.
I'm sure you don't have one.
You do.
I love you, Marshall.
I love you.
You can't have a complex.
We didn't do that.
Oh, you're doing well.
I'll get the show pretty much.
Good.
Well, I'm going to take you over here.
All right.
Thanks a lot.
I want to show you that I can handle this too.
There you go.
You're doing great.
This is a document.
You're doing great.
This is teaching you.
Right, right.
Thank you so much.
How about that?
One of those.
Oh, and thank you for your second care.
We're, you know, we're all here to follow.
Thank you.
Thank you very much.
There.
It's all I got now.
All right.
Thanks.
Thank you, Airhouse.
It's probably good to see you.
We'll look at this picture or the other one.
Yeah, we'll look at it.
All right, fine.
We all look the same.
I know.
I know.
I know.
Bye-bye.
Bye-bye.
Thank you.

On March 24, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon, Charles W. Colson, Harvey Firestone, Emmett O'Donnell, George T. Bell, and White House photographer met in the Oval Office of the White House from 11:44 am to 11:50 am. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 471-016 of the White House Tapes.

Conversation No. 471-16

Date: March 24, 1971
Time: 11:44 am - 11:50 am
Location: Oval Office

The President talked with Charles W. Colson [?]

[Conversation No. 471-16A]

     President’s schedule
          -Meeting with John A. Scali
                -Length, location
                      -Choir tour

[End of telephone conversation]

The President met with Harvey Firestone, General Emmett O’Donnell, Jr., and George T. Bell at
11:44 am

     Greetings

     [General conversation]

     Arrangement for photo

A photographer entered at an unknown time after 11:44 am

     [General conversation]

The photographer left at an unknown time before 11:50 am

     Signing of proclamation

     O’Donnell’s previous position
         -Military aide
               -Bell’s association

     Signature

     Presentation to President of a photo
          -Nixon Library

     Leslie T. (“Bob”) Hope
           -Call from President
           -Work for United Service Organization [USO]
                 -Criticism by New York religious leaders
                       -Attitudes toward military

     Gifts

     President’s work

     Gifts

     Photo

Firestone, et al. left at 11:50 am
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  • 471-017 11:50 AM · 19 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and Stephen B. Bull met in the Oval Office of the White House from 11:50 am to 11:51 am.
  • 471-018 11:51 AM · 3 min — President Richard M. Nixon, Craig S. Campbell, Charles R. Larson, James D. ("Don") Hughes, and White House photographer met in the Oval Office of the White House from 11:51 am to 11:54 am.
  • 471-019 11:54 AM · 8 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and Alexander P. Butterfield met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 11:54 am and 11:58 am.
  • 471-020 11:54 AM · 18 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and Alexander P. Butterfield met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 11:54 am and 11:58 am.
  • 471-021 11:54 AM · 14 sec — President Richard M. Nixon, Alexander P. Butterfield, and Gerald R. Ford met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 11:54 am and 11:58 am.
  • 471-022 11:58 AM · 8 min — United States Secret Service agents met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 11:58 am and 12:10 pm.

Conversation 471-016, March 24, 1971. White House Tapes, Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, National Archives. Audio and AI transcript via Easy Nixon, https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/471-016 (accessed October 12, 2026).