Conversation: 475-024
Prev: 475-023 Next: 475-025Start Date: Thursday, April 8, 1971 9:23 PM
End Date: Thursday, April 8, 1971 9:59 PM
Participants:
Nixon, Richard M. (President); Holyoake, Keith J.; Mosbacher, Emil, Jr. (Bus); White House photographer; Kissinger, Henry A.Recording Device: Oval Office
Full Tape Conversation Start Time: 05:39:42
Full Tape Conversation End Time: 06:18:18
NARA Description:
On April 8, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon, Keith J. Holyoake, Emil ("Bus") Mosbacher, Jr., White House photographer, and Henry A. Kissinger met in the Oval Office of the White House from 4:23 pm to 4:59 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 475-024 of the White House Tapes.
Nixon Library Finding Aid:
Conversation No. 475-24
Date: April 8, 1971 Conv. No. 475-23 (cont.)
Time: 4:23 pm - 4:59 pm
Location: Oval Office
The President met with Sir Keith J. Holyoake and Emil (“Bus”) Mosbacher, Jr.; the White House
photographer and members of the press were present at the beginning of the meeting
Greetings
[General conversation]
-Picture-taking session
Gift for President
[General conversation]
President’s forthcoming trip to California
[Camera noise]
Schedule
President’s trip to New Zealand
-Scheduling
President’s visit to New Zealand
-Auckland, Wellington
President’s speech on Southeast Asia, April 7, 1971
-Excellence
-Technique
-Reaction
Vietnam
-Attitude of country
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-Forthcoming demonstrations
-Staff’s reaction
-Draft, combat, withdrawal date
-President’s policies
-President’s critics
-New Zealand and Australia
-Interest in US Southeast Asia policies
-Forces in Vietnam Conv. No. 475-23 (cont.)
-US withdrawal plans
-Communist threat in Southeast Asia
-US policy
-North Vietnam
-US withdrawal plans
-Rate
-General Nguyen Van Thieu and Ellsworth F. Bunker
-US losses
-Marine sergeant [Karl Taylor]
-President’s critics
New Zealand
-Agriculture
-President’s conversation with Clifford M. Hardin
-Regard for New Zealand interests
-Lamb
-President’s previous conversation with Holyoake
-American consumption
-Production
Henry A. Kissinger entered at 4:30 pm
-Population
-Human, lamb
-Lamb
-Sheep-growing industry
-Cooperation with Australia
-Export to US
-US consumption
-Merchandisers
-Production
-Great Britain
-Butchers
-Exports
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-Production
-Great Britain
-Butchers
-Consumers
-Exports to US
-Frozen food
-Consumers
-Increase of quotas Conv. No. 475-24 (cont.)
-US
-Australia
-Levels
-Agriculture
-Compared with US
-Subsidy problem
-Dairy products
-Specialization
-Meat and dairy products
-Exports
-Levels
-Diversification
-Trade
-Trade decline
-Inflation
-Increase in prices of imports
-Standard of living
-Compared to Europe
-Drop
-Importance of trade
-Trade with Japan
-Market
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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 1
[National Security]
[Duration: 17s ]
JAPAN
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-Standard of living
-Drop
-Overseas trade
-Percentage of Gross National Product [GNP]
-Compared with US Conv. No. 475-24 (cont.)
-Fluctuations in world market
-Dairy products
Council on International Economic Policy [CIEP]
-Meeting
-Peter G. Peterson
-Bell and Howell
-Kissinger
-Functions
-Coordination of State, Agriculture, and Commerce Departments
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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 2
[National Security]
[Duration: 39s ]
MEXICO
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US relations with New Zealand
-Review
-Departments of State and Agriculture
-Agricultural lobby
Great Britain’s entry into Common Market
-Effect on New Zealand
-Impact
-Special arrangements with New Zealand
-Holyoake’s conversation with Willy Brandt
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-Bonn
-New Zealand’s special relationship with Great Britain
-Exports
-Lamb, dairy products
-British quota system
-Butter
-French butter production
-Arrangements between Great Britain and New Zealand Conv. No. 475-24 (cont.)
-French reaction
-British proposals
-Lamb
-US response to New Zealand
-Hardin
-Holyoake’s appreciation
-Need for special arrangements with Great Britain
-President’s conversation with Edward R. G. Heath
-Reluctance of Britain to enter Common Market
New Zealand exports
-Butter
-World market
-Milk
-Demand for non-fat products
-Cholesterol
-Stress, diet
-Eggs, milk, butter
-President’s level
-Dwight D. Eisenhower
Blood pressure, cholesterol
-Eisenhower
-Cholesterol
-Heart attack
-Blood pressure
-President’s blood pressure
-Cholesterol level
-Heart attack
Butter consumption
-US level
-New Zealand level
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Heart attack levels
-New Zealand compared with US
Egg consumption
Kissinger’s health
-Cholesterol, blood pressure
Conv. No. 475-24 (cont.)
Kissinger left at 4:48 pm
Holyoake’s trip to London
-Southeast Asia Treaty Organization [SEATO] conference
-Meeting of five powers
-Britain, Malaysia, Singapore, Australia and New Zealand
Great Britain
-Presence in Southeast Asia
-Heath
-Position in world
-US presence in Southeast Asia
-Sir Alexander F. (“Alec”) Douglas-Home
-Presence in Southeast Asia
-British public opinion
-Singapore
-Isolationism
-Heath
-Strength
-Previous meeting with President
-Douglas-Home
Southeast Asia
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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 3
[National Security]
[Duration: 4m 6s ]
FOREIGN AFFAIRS
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Holyoake’s trip to London
-President’s greeting to Heath, Douglas-Home
-Australian Prime Minister William McMahon Conv. No. 475-24 (cont.)
-Wilbur Manns [?]
-John G. Gorton, Australian Minister of Defense
-President’s greetings to Gorton
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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 4
[Privacy]
[Duration: 13s ]
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-Paul Matthews
-Harold E. Holt
-Gorton
-Manns
President’s past trips to Europe
-Heath
-Asia
Holyoake’s trip to Europe
-European Economic Community [EEC]
-British entry into Common Market
-Meeting with Brandt, Georges J. R. Pompidou and Emilio Colombo
-New Prime Ministers in West Germany, France and Italy
-Brandt
-Mariano rumor
-Colombo
-Italy
-Economy
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President’s health
President’s speech on Southeast Asia
-Reaction
-Vietnam
-US goals
-South Vietnamese operation in Laos
Conv. No. 475-24 (cont.)
Presidential gift
-Presentation
-Norma (Ingram) Holyoake
-Bow tie with Presidential Seal
-Cufflinks
Holyoake’s schedule
-Meeting in Kissinger’s office
Rose Garden
US friendship with New Zealand
-President’s letter to Holyoake
President’s greeting to N. Holyoake
Holyoake and Mosbacher left at 4:59 pm