Nixon White House Tapes › Tape 587 › Conversation 587-009

Nixon, Hays & Lloyd on French-American relations and Legislative cooperation

Friday, October 8, 1971 · 12:18 PM–12:28 PM ET · Oval Office · 13 min

President Nixon met with a delegation of French legislators and U.S. Congressman Wayne Hays in the Oval Office to discuss the relationship between French and American legislative bodies. The President extended a formal welcome, emphasizing the importance of international cooperation and sharing his perspectives on the legislative process. The brief meeting concluded with informal pleasantries and the President discussing his upcoming travel schedule to West Virginia.

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Mr. President, uh, what do you mean?
I mean, how are you?
Mr. President, uh, what do you mean?
I mean, how are you?
Mr. President, uh, what do you mean?
I mean, how are you?
Very happy to have you here.
in several countries.
In several countries.
Well, we're glad to have you here.
Yes, this is Dr. Treisier.
He's in the service and he's going to be there in a short time.
What's your problem?
I'm sorry.
I'm sorry.
I'm sorry.
I'm sorry.
I'm sorry.
I'm sorry.
I'm sorry.
I'm sorry.
I'm sorry.
Oh, yeah, that's right.
That's right.
That's right.
That's right.
That's right.
That's right.
That's right.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Thank you.
This is my art.
We're so glad to have you here, and Congressman Hayes, who, of course, is one of our great leaders in this field, in the Department of Community Affairs, has often spoken about the wonderful wealth that you've given me, and I'm used to it, and I'm proud.
Usually, at first, my, at this time, at least, my contact with the is the person to be on the executive side of the government.
But having been an emperor of the house,
I don't know how important the House and the Senate are.
And we know too that this kind of contract between Europe and the Soviet Union is kind of hard.
I mean, I don't know if you understand.
The one thing I did at Rios is that, you know, the thing I've always liked about my credit cards is that they are quite demanding at Rios.
You know, they're not very promising.
He said that what we did not expect was that it was made out of this thing that in itself is the smile, the handshake, the husband and her toast, and his song.
What it does, and if we proceed on that basis, then we will solve it.
It's like we believe that the cosmetic is all the things that make no progress.
Come on, let's have a seat here.
Sit down around the table.
And I had a very, very, very big change.
I can do it for all of you.
I'm the idiot.
I can do it for all of you.
I'm the idiot.
I'm the idiot.
You as a politician, Senator, know that.
I know that.
I know that.
I know that.
I know that.
I know that.
I know that.
I know that.
While we have the distribution of our field of practice, we'll be seeing how we have a very strong
It's not about race or whatever, it's not about race or whatever, it's not about race or whatever, it's not about race or whatever, it's not about race or whatever, it's not about race or whatever, it's not about race or whatever, it's not about race or whatever, it's not about race or whatever, it's not about race or whatever, it's not about race or whatever, it's not about race or whatever, it's not about race or whatever, it's not about race or whatever, it's not about race or whatever, it's not about race or whatever, it's not about race or whatever, it's not about race or whatever, it's not about race or whatever, it's not about race or whatever, it's not about race or whatever, it's not about race or whatever, it's not about race or whatever, it's not about race or whatever, it's not about race or whatever, it's not about race or whatever, it's not about race or whatever, it's not about race or whatever,
You've got to do it slowly.
I want you to know, I want you to say it.
That's correct.
And they had this rule that you saw in the humanities, that there was no science in that.
It was a daily thing.
And it was like, what you do is committed to an airship role in the United States.
It would be so easy for us to give up our normal responsibilities.
And I would be less ashamed if I were not, because up through this country, you're running for office.
Up through this country, you're running for office.
for American softball or any one of the other great projections.
But we know it's wrong.
We know it's wrong.
We know it's right.
And if you practice with us, if it's even, I think if we practice with all of you, but with the United States, the United States, the United States, the United States, the rest of the world, the rest of the world, the rest of the world, the rest of the world, the rest of the world, the rest of the world, the rest of the world, the rest of the world, the rest of the world,
So, we believe, but that doesn't mean that in this context we are going to have vigorous debate with our members, but we can solve this problem better than any other.
So, we just need to have a job better than that.
But we are going to be very much in touch with the person.
The person is an expert.
You know, I'm not an expert, but I can help you out.
We can help you out.
This is going to be one of the strongest I've ever been here.
I know.
Oh, I'll set it up.
You were on my side.
You were here.
So I'm here now.
We were here.
We were here.
We were here.
We were here.
We were here.
We were here.
We were here.
Thank you, sir.
Thank you.
Now I have to go down to West Virginia, huh, Carlton?
No, you're not.
Yeah, I'm a criminal.
I'd like to give you a little look in the window over there.
Here's a little gun lock, but, uh, but it's, uh, only a percentage of what you need.
The rock of this room is to see the seal on the ceiling.
and he was born and she was the president of the state.
And here we would come.
So these would be the men and the women.
And the ladies would be the men and the women, both of them.
So that means that we, you know, I can tell you that it looks like part of the reason we decided to change it.
Friends are like kings or I'm supposed to be an adult.
Friends, you owe me an adult.
Well, I'm going to California to meet with my brother, Harley Shaggers.
You know how Harley put his daughter to sleep last year?
Is that right?
The Westerns, you know, in Civil War, the war between the states, I should say, in that Civil War, Virginia, that's right, Virginia.
It's not a comedy movie, of course, but the question is, it's a nice song.
And so the question is very tough to fight for.
So if you ever see a lesson, they say, yes, by God.
That's good.
All right.
Well, I wish you the very best.
And you, are you facing a chore when it's 100 miles a mile?
Is there anything else you want to see that's all you're interested in?
Thank you.
We, in my best interest, are looking forward to meeting you tomorrow morning.
I hope you go with us.
Now, I need to bring my wife, but I don't think I can afford it.
Ah, you're shopping.
I said, I said, I said, I said, I said, I said, I said, I said, I said,
Well, thank you for all you've done for us.
Yes, I'm very grateful for that.
We know that your reporting has been very helpful.
We appreciate your help.
It was not fortunate to get a response yet.
I can put it down.
He didn't position that page well.
We're doing the same thing.
We know you're worried about the check.
We know.
I'm all about it.
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On October 8, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon, Wayne Woodrow ("Woody") Hays, Sherman Lloyd, Rene Chazelle, Jacqueline Thome-Patentore, Jean Boinvilliers, Pierre-Bernard Couste, Isadore Renouard, Pierre Billotte, Madame Solange Troisier, Manuel Lujan, Jr., Robert Moinet, Alexander M. Haig, Jr., Richard K. Cook, and Charles E. Lucet met in the Oval Office of the White House from 12:18 pm to 12:28 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 587-009 of the White House Tapes.

Conversation No. 587-9

Date: October 8, 1971
Time: 12:18 pm - 12:28 pm
Location: Oval Office

The President met with Wayne Hays, Sherman Lloyd, Rene Chazelle, Madame Jacqueline
Thome-Patenotre, Jean Boinvilliers, Pierre-Bernard Couste, Isidore Renouard, Pierre Billotte,
Madame Solange Troisier, Max Lejeune, Robert Moinet, Alexander M. Haig, Jr., Richard K.
Cook, Charles E. Lucet.

     Introductions
           -Hays

     The President's words of welcome
          -Hays
          -Interrelationship of French and American legislative bodies
          -America's law making goal
          -The President's schedule
                -West Virginia

     The President's words of farewell

Hays, et al. left at 12:28 pm
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  • 587-003 10:04 AM · 43 min — President Richard M. Nixon, John N. Mitchell, John D. Ehrlichman, and Stephen B. Bull met in the Oval Office of the White House from 10:04 am to 10:47 am.
  • 587-005 10:47 AM · 8 min — Stephen B. Bull, Charlotte T. Reid, Mrs. Edward C. Thompson, Edward T. Reid, Susan Reid, George Lindner, H. A. Barker, Mrs. H. A. Barker, Lambert Oschsenschlager, Mrs. Lambert Oschsenschlager, Dean Burch, Donald H. Rumsfeld, Frederic V. Malek, Frank Nebeker, White House photographer, and President Richard M. Nixon met in the Oval Office of the White House from 10:47 am to 10:55 am.
  • 587-006 10:55 AM · 34 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and Alexander P. Butterfield met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 10:55 am and 10:58 am.
  • 587-007 10:58 AM · 1 hr 12 min — President Richard M. Nixon, John D. Ehrlichman, Richard M. Helms, Stephen B. Bull, David M. Kennedy, Henry A. Kissinger, Peter G. Peterson, Ronald L. Ziegler, unknown person(s), and Manolo Sanchez met in the Oval Office of the White House from 10:58 am to 12:12 pm.
  • 587-008 12:12 PM · 2 min — President Richard M. Nixon, Stephen B. Bull, and H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 12:12 pm and 12:17 pm.
  • 587-010 12:28 PM · 59 sec — President Richard M. Nixon, Stephen B. Bull, and Alexander P. Butterfield met in the Oval Office of the White House from 12:28 pm to 12:30 pm.
  • 587-011 12:30 PM · 2 min — unknown person(s) met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 12:30 pm and 11:59 pm.

Conversation 587-009, October 8, 1971. White House Tapes, Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, National Archives. Audio and AI transcript via Easy Nixon, https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/587-009 (accessed September 28, 2026).