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Can I get your picture?

I saw a news story that said that you gave a hard-hanging speech, but what did you do to Mr. Holley?

Kind of questions, and so forth and so on.

Where do they have, where do they have one of all of them?

Oh, that.

There.

All right.

Let's do it by driving.

Oh, I'll have it at the close of the beginning for a later date.

I'm sure.

The guy that had Oso, John Hall, he misses the final story.

They must have had a poor reporter because I could tell him from reading that the little they had, they were serving so late in the class that probably can't get any place to report, you know.

Yeah.

Well, I don't think you know that they were basing it on questions.

Yeah.

Right.

I saw that.

Yeah.

And I knew he was a cop.

I got that impression out of the news.

AP, the wire source, Richard Marr, Gordon Johnson, Washington Post.

And you know, I am tentatively, we haven't told anybody, scheduled to do the AML serial convention tomorrow.

And for it, I'm not going to be current until later today to see that progress in the pay board and so forth.

But, uh, if I do, I'll, uh, I'll just have to, uh, take a very firm line with regard to the team's preparedness, the cooperation, and so forth and so on.

Would you, would you, would you think it's a good idea to do it, or would you not do it?

You wouldn't?

Even though we're here?

Oh, hell no, we wouldn't get a ground reception.

Well, I can't get into real specifics about the pay bar, because I don't know what they would be.

But you would simply say we need the cooperation labor.

We know that they will cooperate.

That's right.

Okay.

Now, a point to, although I'm not checking with your secretary, I don't know about you, but he told me you're going to go be leaving in that setting.

Europe or something.

I see, okay.

Oh, I see, I see.

Well, you see, they always say to the tenant inspector that you'll still be here.

So I'll be stuck if I go today, go to Florida, I'll have to stay there the next day.

Well, maybe, we'll see.

But that's that, because I have to, that's what we, I have a straight-arm marker, and I've also kept a few some of my guys, you know, we use the ploy that I've talked to you about,

He's going to take the other job, you know.

So I'm going out and play on this thing.

His belly, I think, was about the right time because he had a two-hour lunch with Pierre Ball Schweitzer yesterday.

And that's the kind of thing you've got to get the hell out of the way of, right?

Now, he just listened.

He said, you know what I mean?

You don't just listen to these things.

And we've got too many people.

I just want you to know that I've got that thing on the track.

Now, on my record...

Oh, he's delighted.

He's going to do the concrete job.

When he returns in three weeks, we'll begin to make his move.

And by the first of the year, it will be done.

By the first of the year, or shortly after the first of the year.

Maybe by the 15th of the standards.

Standards definitely will go before the 15th of January.

Now, coming back to this thing.

That leads, in my shop, to yours, to what I think are the three people that are going to, it leads to you, to Schultz, and to Kissinger.

They're hammering on the political side, and he reflects the political stuff as he will do,

George, because George can tap into the council.

He knows what's signed in the crack and all those sorts of things.

And also, George is not doctrinaire.

He'll just play the game.

And does that, does that mean with your, yeah.

So what I would like to suggest is if they, I have told each of them individually that I've come to you to give me the, you know, the line and the thing, the three of you sit down.

So if they, if

If it could be arranged that the three of you could meet, and then if you, after you meet, then meet with me, then my view is not to have a quagmire this week.

The problem, the quagmire this week, and I raised it with George, and I said to you, and I talked, and you were willing, and I, and George said, well, aren't we just going to go over the same ground as we were before, unless we get a line?

And I said, I'm afraid so, you see.

For example, Archer still owns the old inverter that we can't,

And so I think what we need to do is to see what our game is going to be.

You see, Henry's had a very good talk with Croner, which may be useful to him.

I mean, where you could use him if you want to use him.

And then, of course, I know you have the outlaw that you might go before the group of ten and make a talk there.

That's a possibility.

Now, in this whole thing, and this is, Henry may have told you, I don't know, but in this whole thing, and this has got to be just between you, Henry, and I, because we have a total state that's got to come in another way.

Prior to our trips abroad, I got to meet with our allies in what I'm going to do in addition to Latin America, which is too important, that'll come in January.

But what we're going to do, we're going to meet with the French, the Germans, and maybe British, I'm sure, will meet too.

Now, that will be in the month of December and early January, see?

Probably not until the 10th of December.

So by that time, while we don't have to have things decided, I've got something to talk about, see?

And on that occasion, it is my view, what I'm thinking of at this point,

Those will be working meetings.

They will not.

They will meet at different places.

I think the chairman will come here.

Franchly, we may meet with Hayes or Brasher.

That's our kind of plan.

that we have, in addition, Rogers, of course, has to go, that we have you go, you see, and have that bring in a finance minister.

Now, how does that shape down to you?

In other words, to have that kind of, the problem that I have, John, with my going to a big meeting, which Rogers has been pushing, you know, like me going to the expansion, the board of ministers meeting, and the heads of government meeting, is that I just think it'll be 11 to 1 or something like that.

And I think if I pick them off one by one, it's better, because that's how I think it's going to be.

I've got to meet with them, though, because you see, they're whining at us.

I mean, apart from the monitor, they're just complaining, you're not telling us, consulting with us about Russia, you're not consulting with us about China, you're not consulting with us about NATO, and so forth.

So at a time when we're meeting with our enemies, the strategy is that I want to meet with our friends.

And on the Latin American thing and stuff, so you've got to have this in mind, what we would plan is two meetings, one in Panama on the way down, where we would get all the little countries together, about 10 of them, and then fly on down to some place in Argentina for a meeting of 10 others.

All that in three days.

That'll be done in January.

So we get all the Latinas in the deal.

And we want you to go on that, too.

Does that sound like a good plan?

Yeah.

I don't have a phone.

Yeah, do you want them to, do you want them to call you or?

Yeah, fine, but don't worry about it.

The point is that they don't care to do anything you want.

I mean, they sit and talk to you.

It's not between the three of you.

Now, let's keep our eye on this game at this point because our group is not going to play the game our way.

And then we'll program him just as we did out there at Camp David, right?

Okay, fine.