Nixon, Woods & Bull on Henry Kissinger and Frank Church

1:21:01And I was so glad that, you know, and Church, at first people thought he was really going to be fine.
1:21:08You know, you expect him to dig the attempt, but he was just downright nasty.
1:21:13And one person that I've taken said, well, there's only one thing left for him to do, and that is to sit on his back.
1:21:21And then, when he finished, there was one soul in that room, and that's Peter's crowd, because it's double credits.
1:21:32Not one soul stood up.
1:21:33You've got to pause.
1:21:35Nobody stood up.
1:21:37And when Henry finished, I was in three-fourths of the room, and he stood up.
1:21:42Of course, that's not the one in Texas.
1:21:45It's terrible.
1:21:46And Henry, he was playing, he was making stuff look great, and he did a great job.
1:21:52I've become very tough this year.
1:21:53I'm driving for order, climbing up the wall.
1:21:57And then there are two, of course.
1:21:59But I'm not doing any of these.
1:22:01I'm sick of them.
1:22:02I had White House correspondents.
1:22:05They did a terrible thing last year.
1:22:06I'm not going to do that again.
1:22:08I'm never going to do it.
1:22:10I'm not doing the radio, television, broadcasters.
1:22:12I'm not going to do that.
1:22:13It's quite tricky.
1:22:14I can go there and have the presidency insulted and kicked around and have this antagonistic audience.
1:22:19They're not for us.
1:22:20They is...
1:22:22And I don't reciprocate their hatred.
1:22:24I treat them like I'm at a Christmas party, so that's what I'll be goddamned if I'm going to go to their party.
1:22:29I'm not going to go to their party.
1:22:33We have one problem with her.
1:22:38She's not going.
1:22:38And, you know, the president is a good friend of ours, Edgar Allan Poe.
1:22:45Edgar Allan Poe.
1:22:52So that's the way it's going to be, you see.
1:22:54It's interesting now.
1:22:58Well, I think that...
1:22:59I'll give you a break.
1:23:04I think Henry was exactly right.
1:23:06I think he had a couple of partisan references that he cut off.
1:23:10Because he looked, it made him look ten feet tall.
1:23:15For him to get a standing ovation at the end of that crowd, he had to have shown the other man how to do it.
1:23:23Because he was crude.
1:23:24He was very crude.
1:23:25A couple of seconds.
1:23:27Over a thousand people sitting in a row.
1:23:30You don't say that.
1:23:31You don't say that either.
1:23:40Did you talk to B.B.
1:23:41at ISA?
1:23:59Did he tell you that that case got put, the judge dismissed that case that stopped that, you know, those... No, he didn't know.
1:24:05Well, he was so pleased, you know, but of course it wasn't carried on paper.
1:24:10You know, he found a little reason to.
1:24:13That one that I knew stopped, they almost made it look like he was still on the soft practice.
1:24:18The judge at 5 o'clock that day, they went in like Monday or Tuesday.
1:24:23Just that neither the fellow who had the stock, who was also fooled, you know, nor did he answer.
1:24:30He said there was no case.
1:24:32People had no case.
1:24:33There was no evidence at all.
1:24:35You know, it was bad.
1:24:40With any thought of doing anything wrong, I might forget how it was, but Phoebe was crazy.
1:24:47But he said it's a typical list.
1:24:50Yeah.
1:24:50That wasn't mentioned.
1:24:51Wrote an old case about it.
1:24:52Rains and rains and days and days, and in this mystification of sunfish, don't need to carry it on.
1:25:02It's better here, I think.
1:25:06It's better here, I think.
1:25:12Julia had a fine job in Texas.
1:25:14She said they were all, she wanted to stay in this gathering.
1:25:20They were all talking about the speech the night before and so forth.
1:25:26There was a lot of talk about that last night with everybody.
1:25:30With Ruth Hagee and her husband I saw again.
1:25:34She was there.
1:25:37Yeah.
1:25:38And wanted to help the campaign.
1:25:42And all sorts of people who said it was just absolutely great, and that he came across so beautifully as being so sincere, you know.
1:25:52And the comments, luckily at the table, I didn't know who was going to be there, but Hart, who was supposed to be there, had told the people right up to the last minute they were going to be there.
1:26:03Didn't show.
1:26:03I'm afraid I would have had to get up and leave.
1:26:08He's alright in the present person.
1:26:11But he's the one who stands out as being holier than thou, and yet he's the one and the same as anybody who goes to him and says, they've got some problem.
1:26:21He says, what's that for me?
1:26:22And he doesn't mean for Indiana either.
1:26:24He's very lucky.
1:26:36And him at first line was cute, because first, I mean Church had it so bad, but he said what he said at first line.
1:26:43It was very difficult to commit suicide after he'd been assassinated.
1:26:48It was very difficult to know how to do something like that.
1:26:53He really did a good job, and he's saying that, you know, he just gives an answer that anyone knows, anyone who's a professor at Harvard, has to be a little bit of a paranoid person.
1:27:06And then some professor at Harvard had, the other day when I was talking to him, he talked about being with him, he said, that's the scariest thing of all.
1:27:14Yeah.
1:27:14And he said that myself almost thought it was the teeth.
1:27:17You know, that was an accident.
1:27:18I know.
1:27:18I could tell it was.
1:27:19But I think they did think it was the teeth.
1:27:22But then that stuff with Vera Glazer was around the meeting, and she didn't really say it.
1:27:26It was quiet enough, you know.
1:27:28It was in the air.
1:27:29That's too bad.
1:27:29That was in the air.
1:27:31It was.
1:27:32I don't like her either.
1:27:34Vera Glazer was kind of my friend.
1:27:36She gets in to see all the people telling her she's a Republican.
1:27:39She's about as much a Republican as I am a communist.
1:27:42Oh, Christ, oh, she's a... She's never been a Republican.
1:27:45She's worked for Republicans for months.
1:27:47That's right.
1:27:47She's a candidate that I have never given her.
1:27:49I won't talk to her.
1:27:50Don't do it.
1:27:52I won't.
1:27:52I don't intend to.
1:27:56They're funny.
1:27:57I'm here to say something.
1:27:58I said, well, I just wasted her.
1:27:59I didn't even go over to provide.
1:28:01She doesn't have her part of the project.
1:28:03I said that I'd be able to go up to Camp David today at the center.
1:28:08Yeah.
1:28:19Now listen, you're coming to the dietitian's dinner.
1:28:23You are to come to the dietitian's dinner.
1:28:25I told him, I talked to Colt Lewis last night.
1:28:27You're expected.
1:28:29So you can put your name in salt, and I'll let you know.
1:28:33I didn't put any White House people on it.
1:28:34The hell with White House people.
1:28:36But you know most people rose for 30 years, I mean 20 years.
1:28:40You know what I mean?
1:28:41And Colt and the rest of them, I expect you to be there this year or not.
1:28:46It would be a nice thing, you know, the losses.
1:28:49It's a very good thing.
1:28:51The others are not, you know, because they haven't known, you know.
1:28:54Remember, the whole bar closes made it possible for me to be in this chair.
1:28:57Oh, I love that.
1:28:59They've been asking me all the time from 1962 to 1968 about the damn articles that I wrote.
1:29:04I never forgot.
1:29:08You know, Al Coles, our finance chairman, was a...
1:29:12They made it possible for you to do the trips.
1:29:15That's what I meant.
1:29:16You see, I took the trips on their money.
1:29:18But I don't, you know, I think you know that I never need to do it.
1:29:24Yeah, but I think it's a good idea.
1:29:25I just think it's a good idea, so I don't need to come tomorrow night.
1:29:28Just put that on.
1:29:31How about, Ken, do you want to go to the Amphibian or not?
1:29:43It might be pretty good.
1:29:45I'll take your word with you.
1:29:47I was going to go to the opening of that Reynolds Gallery tonight.
1:29:54It's a beautiful building over here.
1:30:00Oh, wow.
1:30:01Tell them to get out of there.
1:30:04Tomorrow?
1:30:06What's going on?
1:30:07Well, I have to go to work tomorrow.
1:30:11Oh.
1:30:11I can stay back with you.
1:30:13Why don't you keep it up?
1:30:16It might be really lovely.
1:30:18I'm going to start going.
1:30:19I can't take it.
1:30:20One day we'll see.
1:30:25I'm getting prepared for time now.
1:30:26I'll take the books.
1:30:28I'm freezing.
1:30:30Just take me to the top of my bed.
1:30:34What time is he gone?
1:30:36Oh, maybe two o'clock, three o'clock.
1:30:39Is that him?
1:30:40Three o'clock?
1:30:41Yes.
1:30:43How is he, three o'clock?
1:30:49I'm so proud of you.

Nixon, Woods & Bull on Henry Kissinger and Frank Church

AI Summary

Audio

Transcript (AI-generated)

NARA Description

Nixon Library Finding Aid

Also recorded on January 27, 1972

Cite this conversation