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United States Secret Service agents on India and Foreign Policy

Wednesday, February 2, 1972 · 10:05 AM–12:16 PM ET · Oval Office

ParticipantsUnited States Secret Service agentsConversation664-016 on Tape 664 (tape position 01:08:56–01:09:58)StartWednesday, February 2, 1972 at 10:05 AMEndWednesday, February 2, 1972 at 12:16 PMRecording deviceOval OfficeSourceNixon Library record for 664-016 ↗

AI Summary

President Nixon articulates his foreign policy perspective on India to a group of Secret Service agents, framing the nation as a critical democratic experiment that must succeed in competition with communist China. Despite acknowledging a lack of formal alliances or treaties, Nixon emphasizes his historical commitment to respecting India's non-alignment and providing aid without political conditions. He characterizes his diplomatic stance as a strategic effort to prevent regional instability rather than a sign of preferential favoritism toward the Indian government.

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NARA Description

On February 2, 1972, United States Secret Service agents met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 10:05 am and 12:16 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 664-016 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid

Conversation No. 664-16

Date: February 2, 1972
Time: Unknown between 10:05 am and 12:16 pm
Location: Oval Office

Unknown people [Secret Service agents] met.

     The President’s location
          -Cabinet Room

The agents left at an unknown time before 12:16 pm.

Transcript (AI-generated)

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I have taken the line that India is the largest free world country, must have an opportunity.
to prove that it can compete with China in the largest totalitarian country.
And that the United States is a great state and India is an experiment in democracy.
This is my view.
It hasn't been my view in the past.
It's my view at the present time.
This is despite the fact we have no treaty with India.
We have no alliance with India.
We respect their non-alignment.
When India's kicked us around the United Nations in Russia, I defended them in Q&A during the campaign in 1968 and said, we respect the right of countries to disagree and that our aid goes without strings.
I take that speech more on than anybody else.
Now, having said all that,
I mean, it comes with the old race, where, and it's not the Indians to say that Nixon is out just for them.
Hell, we're not out for them.
I'm just trying to, basically, what we're really trying to do is to keep the Indians, what we did at the end of the day, from God and from the neighbor.

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Cite this conversation

Conversation 664-016, February 2, 1972. White House Tapes, Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, National Archives. Audio and AI transcript via Easy Nixon, https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/664-016 (accessed November 14, 2026).