Nixon, Haldeman & Ehrlichman on School Busing and ITT Case

59:47Well, it's certainly a hard day, isn't it?
59:53Yeah.
59:54I mean, there's snow.
59:57It's too cold.
59:58You know, I've never been here in Minnesota in March.
1:00:01Boy, it gets colder.
1:00:04And it wipes everything out.
1:00:05And it wipes out the spring.
1:00:07I was here once.
1:00:09One Easter, it snowed.
1:00:16uh... uh... uh...
1:00:45I think that if you go to any one of our Senate groups, apparently the L.A. D.T.
1:00:48is going to, or at least the last of the period was everybody who led the Executive Senate this morning, and they're not here.
1:00:56They may run, and who was that who was out in the hall?
1:00:59I don't know who was out in the hall.
1:01:03I don't know who was out in the hall.
1:01:08But they told Janine that he would not be called to hear about the war today.
1:01:11I was attracted to one person this morning.
1:01:14I'd like some of that tea, honey.
1:01:21So... about that...
1:01:27I don't think we had anything to do with the investigation of the Miami beach.
1:01:37Nothing?
1:01:37Nothing yesterday.
1:01:47The old group's gathering this morning.
1:01:52They haven't sent the investigator out.
1:01:55That's the first thing they're supposedly going to do this morning, the committee, is to decide on that and hopefully send them on today.
1:02:16We've got an interview about the Watson, sir.
1:02:34Jack Anderson is running a story on Gus Watson.
1:02:38Apparently, it's got everybody all stirred up, and I think it's just 10% that he thought that Bill Rogers was practically ready to break down the crowd.
1:02:48He's running a story that Watson, I guess it was on his way back to Paris, I don't know, it may have been on his way over here, but anyway, on the airplane, he was drunk.
1:02:57was demanded a bottle of scotch, the stewardess wouldn't give it to him, so he went out and took one out of the thing, put it in his suitcase, the stewardess took it away, and he ended up barely chasing the stewardesses, making proper propositions for them.
1:03:10And I've talked to a whole few private couriers about it.
1:03:14Just very disgraceful conduct, in other words, and some passenger on the plane told Jack Anderson, said Jack Anderson is
1:03:23helpful attitude is running hysterical when I tell Peter, I'm on the rockers, I'm on the rockers, I'm on the rockers, I'm on the rockers, I'm on the rockers, I'm on the rockers, I'm on the rockers, I'm on the rockers, I'm on the rockers, I'm on the rockers, I'm on the rockers, I'm on the rockers, I'm on the rockers, I'm on the rockers, I'm on the rockers,
1:03:50You move on something like this, in the first place, people, you know, all kinds of people get into trouble with this, like, you guys, you must have done this, fooling around with the girls, and that's, you've got to, you've got to laugh and say, yeah, I'm going to say, I'm glad I wasn't bullied, like most people around here would do.
1:04:10I guess he has a girl problem here and there.
1:04:34You know, so what?
1:04:36I mean, what the hell is wrong with it?
1:04:42It's a good thing it's wrong.
1:04:44I mean, it's wrong in a moral sense to people that are moralists.
1:04:48We've got that.
1:04:51Well, this is why I didn't kill the girl.
1:04:55That was exactly the plan.
1:04:57Someone killed her.
1:04:58Someone said, you know what, it's completely ruined Watson.
1:05:01And I said, well, just a minute now.
1:05:03The United States Senator is saying the girl on the farm left her to die.
1:05:07And did that really intimidate the Democrats?
1:05:09They said nothing about that.
1:05:11The guys were present.
1:05:11They were just...
1:05:26I want you to know, Bob, I just didn't know if you would have raised you with me and told me about this Watson story with Anderson.
1:05:32That is the biggest bunch of nonsense I ever saw.
1:05:34Look, people get drunk.
1:05:36People chase girls.
1:05:38And the point is, it's a hell of a lot better for them to get drunk than to chase girls.
1:05:43It's better to chase girls than boys.
1:05:45Now that's my position.
1:05:46Let's stop this crap.
1:05:47I can't.
1:05:48And just ridiculous.
1:05:49I mean, I, in fact, I don't believe it.
1:05:53I mean, I don't believe, I believe somebody made them mad or something like that.
1:05:56And my God, Anderson's written about Bob.
1:05:59He's written about Nauber.
1:06:01He'll be writing about somebody else around here one day.
1:06:05And we can't take this kind of stuff that our people have got to eat.
1:06:09Mitchell has a great problem with it.
1:06:12You know, Mark has always put their hands on people.
1:06:13Doesn't mean a thing.
1:06:17Why don't you agree with me?
1:06:19I mean, the state people, I think, are saying, well, we're going to do something about this.
1:06:25But you know what?
1:06:26They didn't want to knock out any guy that's on our team.
1:06:31No, really.
1:06:33Really, I mean, we, uh, the point is, I never hear them come in and want to throw a city department guy out, you know, who's approaching a boy.
1:06:39When I've got that, they're not going to get Watson because he's been chasing a girl.
1:06:44That's the way I feel about it.
1:06:45I feel very strongly about it.
1:06:50Yeah.
1:06:50All right.
1:06:51Okay, I have a point to make.
1:06:52I have a second.
1:06:54He chases girls through.
1:06:56He doesn't do it over.
1:06:58He doesn't do it this way.
1:07:01He doesn't do it this way.
1:07:02What Henry does, apparently, is he has some offense for him, in a sense.
1:07:09You know, the high level of lining up with girls, and then arranging it for the girl to chase him, which is a little more flattering.
1:07:21I don't know.
1:07:24You take Martha.
1:07:25Everybody in America is worried about Martha.
1:07:28Julie's worried about Martha because she's so nice.
1:07:32I don't worry about Martha.
1:07:35I don't worry about Martha.
1:07:35She's dumb.
1:07:36I mean, she's a jerk.
1:07:37I mean, she can go off on expeditions.
1:07:40She's driving me up the wall.
1:07:41I can't stand her.
1:07:42I can't even reach her hand.
1:07:45Goddamn.
1:07:47People like Martha.
1:07:47There's a lot of people who are animals.
1:07:50And our part is, Mr. Dodd, that now, when you get past Irvine Roth, when you get past Pat Nixon, Trisha Nixon, Trisha Thompson, Julia Eisenhower,
1:08:01Do you ask people in this country who they'd like to have come to dress their woman's clothes?
1:08:06I'll lend the money.
1:08:08Nobody.
1:08:09She's wonderful.
1:08:10Who the hell wants to hear her?
1:08:11Nobody.
1:08:12She's a wonderful person.
1:08:25If you ask the Davenport Island Women's Club, who they first gave their names to, if you offered them Martha Mitchell or
1:08:43A combination.
1:08:44Mrs. Agnew, Mrs. Rogers, Mrs. Laird, and uh, uh, Helen .
1:08:50And now Marina Hoffman and Woodman.
1:08:55You're Marina's type.
1:08:57Yeah, but if you took all of this right now and said, would you like all of those or would you like my type?
1:09:01You'd take my type.
1:09:03The reason Marina is different is that she's handsome, but also
1:09:09She has brains enough to get away with the rest.
1:09:16She's got some personality.
1:09:20She's got a little charm.
1:09:27I hope nobody worried about that.
1:09:28Screw it.
1:09:40I'm telling you.
1:09:41Don't get in there.
1:09:42There's no thought in that.
1:09:45Even when I'm calling the house now, I'm not going to have Parker in there.
1:09:48He's going to wait.
1:09:49He's going to clue us.
1:09:50He was like, what are you going to do?
1:09:51We were on this trip.
1:09:52Remember, I'm here to send a wire.
1:09:54He's just going to wait a month.
1:10:01Right on.
1:10:01I'm sorry about the loss today, but God damn it.
1:10:03Why do people read that shit-ass text?
1:10:07Did they all come in, I suppose, when he was attacked and downed by a horse that would run it down, I suppose, with another?
1:10:12Or did they all have to throw it down on the wolves that would attack him?
1:10:17He's done, sure, for some reason.
1:10:19This one's got, I guess, because it was once in Stanton Plains, they've got more people, more in it, it's been all right.
1:10:23Gotta see how many people were out there and let Watson sue for that.
1:10:29Could I ask you a question about Henry von Kahl?
1:10:32What are we, how are we going to do it, and when?
1:10:37He's panning it out and talking to some people, and he should.
1:10:40I was thinking a little about the Chinese one, and I couldn't really remember anything probably about them.
1:10:47It takes a week or something to get around over here.
1:10:51No, I guess they're one on one.
1:10:53My point is that we should not...
1:10:57We should not let the press get away with sinking the China trip.
1:11:00I don't think they are.
1:11:02Let me say it.
1:11:02I think they're having a desperate time trying to sink it.
1:11:05I mean, you know what I mean.
1:11:07That's why they say he has that discussion because their deal wasn't money.
1:11:09The guy said he'd go into discussion.
1:11:11Am I correct?
1:11:12You're not sure?
1:11:13And so on down the line.
1:11:14And then, of course, they watch this thing down immediately.
1:11:18And also, it makes a big deal.
1:11:21So forth.
1:11:23But my point is, I think it's right.
1:11:25Without, let's get, how do we do it?
1:11:28We say nothing, but by getting in focus, right?
1:11:31Well, we'll go ahead now.
1:11:32Did you get my memorandum that I wrote to you on that point?
1:11:35Yeah.
1:11:35Memorandum on what to talk, what do you think of that idea?
1:11:39Yeah.
1:11:40Because I think that's a great idea.
1:11:41Yeah.
1:11:41And you can talk to us about others, but I had a really exciting story.
1:11:46I saw it in the summer, and it didn't get across to me at this point.
1:11:49It did.
1:11:50It did.
1:11:52And it did what it got across.
1:11:53It got across pretty well.
1:11:55And, uh, well, that's a good little side, basically, with that.
1:12:00I mean, it is not Henry on Cal.
1:12:02It's really funny that he's citing that, because he says it.
1:12:04Because he says that Stuart Allison citing the fact that the journals, let me say it, that's bullshit.
1:12:13Auditor affects the journalist.
1:12:16That is, oh, it affects them to an extent.
1:12:18What affects people is this goddamn TV.
1:12:22You and I heard about a lot of journalists hanging on the couch of, there won't be a journalist in this country who doesn't watch that.
1:12:30Or, and certainly in this country, he can say something.
1:12:32He can affect them on that.
1:12:34He can go into the fact.
1:12:36I do think this, though.
1:12:39I don't know the perspective, we just aren't so fortunate.
1:12:41You can see why I'm not writing a memorandum.
1:12:43He should, because it looks like a goddamn pompous jack-of-all-times, you know, like Johnson would do.
1:12:49But the point is, Bob, other people around here should be thinking of that sort of thing.
1:12:54Remember the memorandum?
1:12:55I think that we've sort of forgotten to think about it, because we're doing so much.
1:13:00We ought to be trying to do it against command.
1:13:02Go ahead.
1:13:03Go ahead.
1:13:04When I was talking about the call, and I was so, so good, I decided to do it when we were just talking about the time to let us get down.
1:13:09Well, we, I want to do it in time.
1:13:10I don't want to go to, I've got to do my press conference.
1:13:17I'm going to do one in Greenwood Lane and another press conference.
1:13:25There are all sorts of things that we have not done.
1:13:29I don't know if you've ever heard about the important people
1:13:32Go ahead, you're gonna check on it.
1:13:34They said that Watson thing, I pulled up, I, damn, I ran through the room.
1:13:38Hell, because that's my stupid, dumb brother of mine.
1:13:41He wrote three columns on him.
1:13:43My brother does stupid things.
1:13:44What am I supposed to do?
1:13:45Get some of the poor son of a bitch?
1:13:47No, I don't get some of my big old bitch.
1:13:50All the problems in America.
1:13:51Well, also that they blew it, you know, I think that in America, if somebody were to give power to your house, and they ought to have it quite a distance down.
1:14:02Well, you think that's how it came out?
1:14:04Supposedly a passenger that did it in a no-comment position.
1:14:08Well, I can't expect him to go out on a passenger.
1:14:11Well, damn passenger son of a bitch.
1:14:14Well, I must say, I do think it's a lesson in life.
1:14:17If he did it, nobody in a public position should ever get up on a plane.
1:14:45And then there's the ugliest stories in the world.
1:14:49They used to have stories, but I can't go which way anymore.
1:14:52They have, yeah.
1:14:53In fact, they identify the worst.
1:14:54You said Eastern and I have two worst, Senator.
1:14:58Well, none of them are very good.
1:15:00June 8th, in Japan, there's an American assembly meeting in which they want to distinguish the American movement.
1:15:06I don't talk about administration policy.
1:15:10They've asked me, and I'm not going to do it, but they thought of Richardson, and I wondered whether that might be a good idea.
1:15:22He wants to go, but he'll be just coming back from... How will that be?
1:15:28It'll still be at... No, it'll be at a distant jail.
1:15:34All right.
1:15:42Great response.
1:15:43But that's your time to be reserved.
1:15:46I've got to go.
1:15:46If you're not going to the West Coast, I'll go from Ottawa.
1:15:50I'll come to Ottawa.
1:15:51They would have sent you to the West Coast.
1:15:53One of the reasons I'm not is because I'm going to the West Coast.
1:15:56Don't tell them.
1:15:56No, I can't do that.
1:15:57The reason I'm going to the West Coast is because I can't go out of California to come to the West Coast.
1:16:08Do you not want me to say it?
1:16:09Huh?
1:16:10That's not a business conversation.
1:16:13Oh, I did the great Iron Man again.
1:16:14I was an RSA leader.
1:16:16See, we'd only do it this first year, this last year.
1:16:18I did it six times.
1:16:20I got down there, and they murdered me every night.
1:16:23They hated me.
1:16:26They had more of me.
1:16:27I don't know what the fuck was the right thing to do.
1:16:29Just not to cancel the president.
1:16:30The president wanted me to do that.
1:16:34I didn't.
1:16:34That's what I did.
1:16:35I wished to start over again.
1:16:39I mean, it, I've almost had to go to the end of it, because you can have a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a,
1:17:03Oh, the picture in the New York Times.
1:17:23Well, he said all the big things, that's something we're checking with Fisher.
1:17:27See, I can't say, I cannot discuss down on what, if you would, I think maybe you ought to call Watson and say, look, the President wants you to know you've actually completed this plan, and so on and so forth.
1:17:38Then second, I would say, now, look, from now on, the President wants you to be very adamant, be very mysterious, and say, you know,
1:17:46I am not going to discuss what has happened at this meeting.
1:17:49Period.
1:17:50Just say that in that way, because I think a lot of these are gone and thought, well, nothing's going to happen.
1:17:56Unless Mr. Iverson or the people in this space did.
1:17:58Another thing these bastards did is they did not just go to heaven, not Raja, but they had scheduled a meeting with Watts on the day, and those people need every use to meet with us.
1:18:10Yeah.
1:18:11Yeah.
1:18:12Good luck.
1:18:13Have a good time.
1:18:22Henry, it would be very important that Wall Street get on the ground.
1:18:31They will talk to their subjects.
1:18:36But what is very important to them would be to get across some of those sighting points to them.
1:18:41That's the kind of thing they were really interested in.
1:18:43They stood out there.
1:18:44That's what I'm talking about.
1:18:45What the hell was the man doing once he lied?
1:18:49You see, but what it is, they just got a little pierced their selves behind a tree so that they could breathe and do whatever they wanted.
1:19:03Okay.
1:19:04This is not a thing.
1:19:07He wanted to do that week of the 26th and I didn't think that's probably the best time to do it.
1:19:13That's the week after your press conference if you do one.
1:19:18It's right before Easter.
1:19:21It's a time that they can still build it up some in a couple weeks.
1:19:29You let us go for the week after.
1:19:31You don't let us go to this.
1:19:33I can find the link the week after better in case I have to postpone it and press conference because of some of what you're saying.
1:19:40I need two options in my life.
1:19:48You know what I mean?
1:19:49Yes, you could.
1:20:05And there could be a pretty good argument, maybe, for wanting to wait to do it then.
1:20:10And if Congress is out for their Easter recess, the Delta will start coming up.
1:20:14So we'll take that time on Easter to read that and check it out.
1:20:17Okay, so given that, let's give it that time.
1:20:20First week in April, first week in April, each week.
1:20:22And that's trying to get us back into staycation is a good time at that time.
1:20:25And we're not going to California, which is good.
1:20:31Okay.
1:20:32That'd be the week before the gridiron.
1:20:34The week between Easter and the gridiron.
1:20:36It's not bad.
1:20:39Did you do that?
1:20:41Okay.
1:20:42That's a good week, I think.
1:20:43Good.
1:20:44Things are a little slow then.
1:20:46That's right.
1:20:48Good time to get a kick on China.
1:20:50It's about midway between China and Russia.
1:20:55Can I also suggest...
1:20:58This is a different kind of a special entry after he's back from education for a few power groups around the country.
1:21:05Now let's have that identified, but put your brain as a young man on that.
1:21:08I mean, something that would take a model, for example, you know, on that and say, oh, look here, I want to know what the hell is a good, and I think check, you know, what is the power group.
1:21:18And I was in key states, right?
1:21:20In key states.
1:21:23And I have a bar in Chicago, one in Cleveland.
1:21:26I think what you want there, though, is not existing groups.
1:21:30You don't want economic clubs.
1:21:31No, every time you want to, like, you want to see the symbol of our groups, just like they do the California Gap thing.
1:21:37Right.
1:21:37The Lynx in New York.
1:21:39Right.
1:21:39Have somebody have something on the Lynx in New York.
1:21:42Of course, 50 is 60 people.
1:21:45Somebody was on Halloween at the Lynx.
1:21:47Somebody was on some, in Chicago, at the Commercial Club.
1:21:51Or the Athletics.
1:21:52Yeah.
1:21:53And they just come in there and they invited their friends.
1:21:56Union League of Philadelphia.
1:21:58The other unit could be Pennsylvania.
1:22:01But anyway, it's supposed to be Pennsylvania.
1:22:05And, uh, you agree with this, don't you?
1:22:09Yeah, I have one in Texas, too.
1:22:11Well, by all means, by all means.
1:22:13He was dragging the guys forward.
1:22:15Right.
1:22:16Either one.
1:22:18But he sure did this.
1:22:25Actually, in Texas, they'll come over, and they all have airplanes.
1:22:28They do.
1:22:28You have a state park that would have to be under tow.
1:22:31It's definitely a tow colony.
1:22:34And even on a list, which I think would be just great.
1:22:37See my bike?
1:22:39I might have a little party this year, and tell them you could take either Eastman, Dallas, Barbara, and so forth.
1:22:46and had to come back just to do them, do the poverty.
1:22:49He's invited us to do that.
1:22:51Just give a little dinner for a few to nine hours.
1:22:52Two to nine hours, you can find out how to do that.
1:22:55Right.
1:22:56We just made a comment about that, a comment that we're going to make available in six key states.
1:23:01I didn't stop there on the way back from all the book covers from the office.
1:23:05And we think that this is, and ours are affecting, and we'd like to do Texas with e-hosts together.
1:23:10And actually we'll see if it's paid for in funds.
1:23:20So let's go forward with the column then.
1:23:22You can give him some things.
1:23:24You'll get some hard points for us.
1:23:26I think he will.
1:23:27I'll work with Scallion working on the column.
1:23:36I don't want to do this.
1:23:37You're going to have to do it.
1:23:40You're going to have to do this.
1:23:45You've got to do this.
1:23:47You've got to do this.
1:24:01Well, I did, because, you know, Chuck told me, he said something about that Anderson is now really Watson.
1:24:09So I just jumped on him and said, you know, that's a ridiculous thing to say.
1:24:13He has to go to Watson.
1:24:18Anderson story a week about one or the other of us or somebody in the administration, isn't it?
1:24:26As soon as we start .
1:24:27You're still having her .
1:24:29Yes, sir.
1:24:39No, Ray now says that what he's got aren't suitable for this kind of situation.
1:24:47He thought they were good before we went to China, and now he doesn't think they are.
1:24:51He says again, however, if you want to do them, that he can do them up now very quickly.
1:25:01Well, I do what I thought we, having done it, were going to be ready.
1:25:05I would like to do it, but maybe, but he gets into trilogy.
1:25:09Three.
1:25:10I'd like to do three.
1:25:12Three good radio talks.
1:25:14Fair enough.
1:25:15Say something.
1:25:17Or are you?
1:25:18I sure do.
1:25:18I think I have a good idea.
1:25:20All right.
1:25:20Fine.
1:25:21Three talks on any one.
1:25:23To do before Russian.
1:25:25Yeah.
1:25:28With regard to the two heads that have already worked out in the state, the part that will be used for contributions and so forth, counting and all that are right above me, it's reworking.
1:25:39They already go on out, which was fine.
1:25:42I didn't see it in New York.
1:25:43I was all right, but I think we can expand it on the basis of, you know, that we've got nothing to hide.
1:25:48We'd like to...
1:25:50Well, it isn't.
1:25:51As I said, the president is not campaigning in the primary.
1:25:57Second, as far as the general election is concerned, we're not soliciting contributions for the primaries.
1:26:05Why don't we put it that way?
1:26:06We're not soliciting any contributions for the primaries.
1:26:09Well, it's a very modest sector.
1:26:12We've got to be careful with that in the state of Wisconsin.
1:26:15Well, and even in the other states.
1:26:18All right, but at least we're not soliciting for the crime, right?
1:26:21Let's just say that.
1:26:22They said, what did you spend it up there?
1:26:23Because that's for the general election.
1:26:26Let's say it's all related to the general election.
1:26:27Turn it up because it was on people.
1:26:31I'm sure I got this meeting to support this one.
1:26:39Let's show them all.
1:26:40I couldn't agree more.
1:26:45thought, would it not be time to, they had an interest, to service in a more vigorous way than having on paper stuff.
1:26:57And it had been Kennedy, Bundy.
1:27:01I saw he was trying to throw off, blame everything on Vietnam, on the deputies, and he was pretty about that, far reaching that.
1:27:14What do you think?
1:27:16I don't know if we want it now or if we want it maybe some.
1:27:19We might do it now.
1:27:23There's a lot later so that we can start.
1:27:28Because in fighting, in fighting the Muslims got a lot of papers.
1:27:33I mean, we just ordered the declassification.
1:27:35Let's declassify the God of everything.
1:27:42I know you must be thinking the other way.
1:27:44The thing I understand about my father is that I know that in every, in all campaigns, and we're in the campaign now, everybody thinks of defense and the counter attack.
1:27:58I mean, I, when I was an adult, I didn't get much of a play.
1:28:01The AT&T got a little play.
1:28:03It's a hell of a lot better just sitting there asking you about that.
1:28:07that drop now that he's tingling out of it.
1:28:10Now he's tingling.
1:28:11And then he's going to pick it up and hopefully pick it in the morning.
1:28:22He's going to call me.
1:28:33Now wasn't that something that was a favorite of our own to remember?
1:28:37You know we all remember.
1:28:37Of course, it wasn't because of China.
1:28:41It was because of democracy.
1:28:42But it's not what it is.
1:28:44It's because it's China.
1:28:45That's it.
1:28:46It's just what you told us.
1:28:49It's more interesting to people than it is to us.
1:28:56That worked out very nicely.
1:29:08And the zoo was jubilant, and they were writing a big thing.
1:29:12I said, oh yeah, there's been stuff on the radio about, what do they say?
1:29:15I'm just the director of the zoo, and what a great thing this is, and it's going to be marvelous to have them here.
1:29:21And then they screwed up a big thing, which is going to be fascinating, about the mating business.
1:29:26And they said, oh yeah, there's no problem about the mating.
1:29:29The only reason they didn't, they had a pair apparently in the London Zoo that they didn't make.
1:29:34So they announced that they won't make it in captivity, that's one thing.
1:29:37He said that wasn't it at all, it was just that the ones in the London Zoo were too old when they were brought together.
1:29:45And so they're playing off, right, off the whole mating business.
1:29:49They said they have made it at the Peking Zoo, so they know they'll make it in captivity.
1:29:54And then that baby's born.
1:29:55And that, Christ knows if you get that couple here, and they do know how to do it, and you have a baby, and then Christ will have a thing that God will let a baby arise.
1:30:05Oh, it'll be like that next year.
1:30:08It'll be like a blue suit.
1:30:11You know, that'll be...
1:30:19a lot of interest in that that's and that's i hope that will go out because we ought to keep them they've also said that you know but they pulled up your climate and they said we're we're preparing uh we will prepare uh air conditioned quarters you know so that they maintain the proper climate control and all that sort of thing
1:30:49Which they should, of course.
1:30:50I mean, hell, when you figure there are only two or four of them outside of Peking, it's a hell of a thing for a zoo.
1:30:59It'll make the zoo, in Christ's name, the zoo will become more important than the White House for people who come to Washington, every kid, every tourist who comes to town.
1:31:08Now, how big of a zoo is it?
1:31:14The big thing we should also get some play off of, and we might as well, is naming them, because they'll have to have names.
1:31:22And we could figure something out on that.
1:31:27We might as well try and retain control of that and get our names right.
1:31:31Maybe we want to name them the Chinese words for peace and friendship or something like that, to pick up some kind of a place off the track.
1:31:48Well, if you put them anywhere else, it would have hurt more in the places that didn't get them.
1:32:03We can't argue about them going to the National Zoo because all the other stuff that's gone there is the National Zoo.
1:32:18But it is amazing how that, that's a big story.
1:32:28Now that I think of it, um, looking at that place at Camp Hoover, you see a big black chopper, or a boy, that's a very good boy.
1:32:35Good boy.
1:32:37Same as Camp Dave.
1:32:38I was thinking what the heck I could do up there, and rather than spend the night, I should care about it.
1:32:50I just set it up in advance to sort of prepare it.
1:32:55And it just goes on and on for a while.
1:33:12You should go up there and see the place.
1:33:15You haven't been in there at all yet, have you?
1:33:17And see it, just stay down and walk around.
1:33:20You ought to go up before dark so you can walk around and see it.
1:33:24Take a look at the place, have dinner, and...
1:33:29Get an idea of what's there, put the facility down, what it looks like.
1:33:32Kind of like to do it, just to break it up.
1:33:33Well, then you are, you may find that it could be that you want to do a better number, but you're not going to be able to do this and that.
1:33:40You've got to write patterns all the time.
1:33:45You've got to do something different.
1:33:46And if I have to use it in that way, is to cut out the size.
1:33:48It's too rough.
1:33:48Depending on how this document comes out, it's too rough.
1:33:58Maybe go out and maybe call the person at about 3, 3 p.m. and make the announcement of the Russian thing and also announce it at the polling booth across the bus station.
1:34:12That would be a few questions.
1:34:15I figured that would be a good idea.
1:34:20I can't think of anything.
1:34:24Uh...
1:34:27I have a feeling that spreading away a little Dementor Crush is just a little bit of a good idea.
1:34:33In terms of...
1:34:34In terms of, uh, not getting into some of the shit that they... Oh, they're gonna, once they get on the TV, they're gonna want to...
1:34:48They will, I know.
1:34:49They'll vote for that.
1:34:50They'll vote for those stories.
1:34:51But on the other hand, they also have a problem that once having responded to them, you have ways of getting off on the wrong side.
1:35:00So you'd rather remove some of the poisons of not asking these questions and so forth.
1:35:10But anyway, I think that's a good question.
1:35:14You've still got that quote in the paragraph, which I don't care about.
1:35:21Now, in the early morning staff meeting today, they apparently got into this busting thing.
1:35:27And Dick Cook made a very strong case, which brings to mind something kind of interesting, though.
1:35:32Were you going on television for this one?
1:35:36And his argument is that
1:35:39It gives you exposure to the public on a major issue of general interest, which you're on the right side, other than the IT&T issue.
1:35:48I mean, it just completely moves you away from that.
1:35:52It's a good proposal.
1:35:54It's one you're going to get a lot of credit for.
1:35:56He says you're going to get very strong congressional support.
1:36:01And Erland Schultzbo said there's very good language in
1:36:07If the price cannot break the television graph, you'd have to boil the bottle even more.
1:36:11If there's some good language you're trying to use on the television, but if Sapphire admitted it could be in 15 minutes for television, and then Cook points out, which is very kind of interesting, that the best thing that could happen is if the Democrats then ask for equal time, because the Democrats going on to answer you on that would be one of the more interesting exercises of the year.
1:36:31Frankly, if you did that, you know I would have been told.
1:36:41I had a problem with price sickness.
1:36:44It doesn't really believe in it.
1:36:47Regardless, it's hard there.
1:36:49But that's the problem.
1:36:51What are we going to do?
1:36:54This might be a worthwhile thing, too.
1:36:56He did that.
1:36:57Thursday would be the time to do it, right?
1:37:24Well, they've got to get it out there and get it going.
1:37:34Today is Tuesday.
1:37:35This came out this morning.
1:37:38Well, I kind of like the idea.
1:37:46But I don't want all that crap to go very low on the stuff about the Negroes and so forth and so on.
1:37:54I had to strike down a price at this conclusion.
1:37:57And I spoke part of the security in the Senate.
1:38:01We are proud that we have put more Negroes in government.
1:38:06We are proud that we have given more to Negro colleges.
1:38:12So I just said, well, the record of this administration speaks better than it speaks, this record, not our record, speaks to our accomplishments.
1:38:21We in the administration, why didn't you say we're proud?
1:38:24You know, you must realize, Bob, that gives you a story, which sometimes, when you go outside and touch money, you bring it on, right?
1:38:34Absolutely.
1:38:37Well, we haven't really agreed with the staff on that.
1:38:41But this is one where, as far as the folks are concerned, you're on the right side.
1:38:45Well, as far as I know, and I'm going as far as the extremes, but I am not going to be the taxi of basically the darned one-and-a-half liberal school, because I don't believe in it.
1:38:57I will not believe in it.
1:38:59We've got our vote on this one.
1:39:07But I think he is so young, solid, and he is very much so.
1:39:15It was kind of interesting when he really did.
1:39:17Richardson was the other way.
1:39:18We'll lose.
1:39:19And they were saying, no, we can turn.
1:39:22We're trying to turn.
1:39:23We're trying to get some of the civil rights lawyers to resign.
1:39:27Well, I hope so.
1:39:29And I told him, I said, you don't mean we could be so lucky.
1:39:33I said, no, they do.
1:39:34I'll say it.
1:39:35And he said, what would you say?
1:39:38I said, I was lucky.
1:39:40They were lucky.
1:39:42and people have a chance to decide.
1:39:46Well, I think the best thing that could happen is if you get to keep the civil rights, you sure don't want everybody to acclaim the damn thing.
1:39:56There will be some white Jewish libs in the tent without it, too.
1:40:02Well, they will.
1:40:05What else do you know?
1:40:08Now one thing I want to cover is the
1:40:12I've covered all the cabinet people, all of our staff, across the board, but nobody wants to go.
1:40:24I don't know who wants to go, but the point is that we've got them all turned off except Simon, who was scheduled to go.
1:40:33Now, what...
1:40:40All of the people are, this has started everybody really thinking we're making a serious mistake.
1:40:46And to a degree we are.
1:40:48And I think that now we've got control of it.
1:40:50Back off a little bit because we do have an opportunity to get some mileage out of that.
1:40:55And we do have at the business council 80 or 90% of them are, well most of them are our damn good friends.
1:41:02No, there are a few that aren't.
1:41:03Oh, they're fence riders, fence riders, fence riders.
1:41:05Okay, but the fence riders are 10 and a half years old.
1:41:0710 and a half years old.
1:41:27Okay, but the fence riders are 10 and a half years
1:41:29Rogers, yes.
1:41:30Yeah.
1:41:31Put Rogers in there.
1:41:33Yeah.
1:41:33That's a good thing.
1:41:34Give Rogers something.
1:41:35When you do that, generally not put out a million Rogers.
1:41:38Give Rogers some things to do out there.
1:41:41Let him be the business councilman.
1:41:43Go ahead.
1:41:45But God damn, not all the administration's president.
1:41:48I don't want Congress to have to do it this time.
1:41:50Exactly.
1:41:52All I'm saying is we turned it all off.
1:41:56And that's the case.
1:41:57That's how we should do it.
1:41:59Great.
1:42:16You told us the other way.
1:42:17Yeah.
1:42:18We went too far the other way, didn't we?
1:42:20Sure.
1:42:21Well, they all get in the airplane and they all park around me.
1:42:27We sucked around and got knocked out by a tick in the ass.
1:42:33So now we look at it in terms of only how long it's taking us.
1:42:41And I like that well enough.
1:42:49But don't go overboard.
1:42:50I know you're good at it.
1:42:52Pete has to deal with these people, and I know he has to.
1:42:56Let Peterson do it.
1:42:57Get the hell out of the White House.
1:42:59The IDT, they proved one thing.
1:43:01Keep the goddamn things out of the White House as long as we can.
1:43:04Do you agree?
1:43:05Yeah.
1:43:06No fault of the Senate, but they came here, right?
1:43:19He wants to go to that church.
1:43:23He's good.
1:43:23He's great.
1:43:24All right.
1:43:25What else?
1:43:25Anything else?
1:43:28We have to go.
1:43:29Oh, that's right.
1:43:30We're going to Chicago.
1:43:42We're free.
1:43:43I am.
1:43:45So am I. I'm wrong, but...
1:43:48The question about the more basic question, whether we're doing it in the country at all.
1:43:55Yeah.
1:43:55We've got approximately as much security value.
1:44:01Well, I kind of think we should do something.
1:44:04I think we're at a point where, you know, between now and, we have sort of that, somewhere between now and Russia, they're already coming out.
1:44:16If you do go to California,
1:44:19That last week in April is not for sure.
1:44:22I don't want that kept full in case people think of that.
1:44:25But if you do go, if there's something out there, well, there's something on the way out.
1:44:30All right.
1:44:31So you can make a stock on the way out.
1:44:33Well, you've got a contract every lap, right?
1:44:35Yeah.
1:44:35All right.
1:44:36And we've worked out several different things on a very limited basis that are kind of maybe new in the country that we make some models out of.
1:44:44Good.
1:44:45If we do it...
1:44:47The approach we had talked about when we were talking about getting it out was to do it on a single subject basis rather than so that it doesn't look like a campaign thing.
1:44:58A thing that has to do with violence or a thing that has to do with law enforcement or a thing that has to do with a specific code.
1:45:07So it came up out of this black convention with a kind of interesting thing, which is the blacks.
1:45:14The overriding issue of concern to the blacks is drugs.
1:45:19That was the one area where they were all united and all very strong.
1:45:25Well, we're thinking about, we just kept talking about it on the basis of that.
1:45:30It's a one way to play the black man because you don't have to go anti-white at all.
1:45:36which is all drug stuff now is apparently directed to suburbs.
1:45:40All law enforcement, they kind of let the federalists work in the ghettos.
1:45:45It's talking about setting up an openly black drug
1:45:51approach will it get a general who's the sense to run you know our hijackers and going going into a thing where we set up a separate effort against drugs in there and get a central don't put me in a central city oh no on any day basis because i'm on a different subject and you going on because i approve that this will be related to you something to the blacks
1:46:18So if you do something on drugs, you've got to do it on the positive side of it.
1:46:22No way for you to do it on the negative side.
1:46:26Anything also other than environment, you can do it on the negative side.
1:46:31Environment, I'm willing to do.
1:46:32I don't know about...
1:46:32I just don't know whether... Yeah, we've got to get them out.
1:46:37We've got to show them this stuff and get it current.
1:46:39But now, that's the first thing you want to do.
1:46:43Well, that's pretty close.
1:46:46That's the end of it.
1:46:48from the end of April.
1:46:49Now what I mean, what will we do?
1:46:50What are the things that we do around the first of April?
1:46:54I think you can see that.
1:46:56Those are the shows.
1:46:58That's a long time.
1:47:00But maybe in the next two weeks time.
1:47:08I think you might have greater reception in the country.
1:47:10No question.
1:47:11I think you would if you'd go and face it.
1:47:13You'd hear it every time.
1:47:14And you would.
1:47:15What you do, you know, any time you do.
1:47:19I don't think we should overdo the fact of reception.
1:47:22I'm hungry.
1:47:23And I don't think it's any harm.
1:47:24And people, we're not going to do crude things.
1:47:27We're not going to ride bicycles.
1:47:28You know what I'm saying?
1:47:30But I don't think our going to the country will be for a service unit in New Orleans, in Miami, or in Dallas, or any of these.
1:47:36No.
1:47:38Now, I think we ought to be out in the next couple of weeks.
1:47:49Good timing.
1:47:50Yeah.
1:47:53Well, say to the state, how about something close?
1:47:58How about New York, Pennsylvania, or Ohio?
1:48:01Now, we live in Ohio, but how about New York or Pennsylvania?
1:48:15here here here
1:48:34We've got a whole bunch of things in the background.
1:48:37Let's get them out and say something in the next couple weeks.
1:48:42I'll do the television.
1:48:43I can get two televised news conferences between now and Russia, and I think that's about it.
1:48:47But in the meantime, we ought to get to the country and goddamn it, let's get a little right in the country.
1:48:52Take these.
1:48:53Instead of the press people, they get the hell out of the Poisonous Washington atmosphere, too, isn't it, Bob?
1:48:58Sure.
1:48:58That's another reason to go out, isn't it?
1:48:59Of course, yeah.
1:49:02Thanks to Congress, too.
1:49:03I can't sit here sort of batting down.
1:49:17I think I've got lots of events, but...
1:49:22Relatives.
1:49:23All right, you want to make a subject.
1:49:25That helps for the writing, for instance.
1:49:28I was the right person to give you a strategy of saying, I'm going out to bring attention to this situation, this program, which turns it away from going out to do a base tour about what it's up to to get a political rally at a government expense.
1:49:50And you go out into the space and honor somebody.
1:49:55There are, there are things of that sort, aren't there?
1:49:59Uh, rather than based or there, you know, there are maybe some things that, the 200th anniversary, that wasn't Batmobile or whatever it was down in Birmingham, was it?
1:50:08Presidents are supposed to do that, right?
1:50:11That kind of, you know, not as big of a, let's look at some of those too, they're a little easier.
1:50:23I went round and round.
1:50:24I need to even raise it with you.
1:50:26On the official photograph, I mean, the stuff you've got, just, none of them is hot.
1:50:30I don't care how it is.
1:50:32You're used to cross.
1:50:33I'm not concerned about that.
1:50:37All I can tell you about it, it isn't your style.
1:50:41I agree.
1:50:41Do you agree or not?
1:50:43Yes.
1:50:45All right.
1:50:46I think what we ought to do is try to tell them one more time.
1:50:49Who?
1:50:50Cullen.
1:50:50The guy that we did before.
1:50:52I don't know how I tell you.
1:50:54You were wrong.
1:50:55Well, this stuff is a lot closer than all of this stuff.
1:51:00And we can go over what's wrong with this.
1:51:06All right.
1:51:08and complete the technology.
1:51:09Then let him set up for, you know, and I know it's the right display, but I don't want to regret it.
1:51:14I don't think it's right, like we're doing with the cars and the photograph.
1:51:20But I'd like us to come in and set him up and introduce him and the rest of it.
1:51:28We'll go over with him all the stuff that's wrong first.
1:51:31But then I think he's got to come in and work with you
1:51:36We point out all, he's got a shoot for solving all the other problems and get the best picture we can.
1:51:41All right.
1:51:42Try it.
1:51:43And we should have tried it one more time.
1:51:46We can't look at them and not do it.
1:51:47We would just give up.
1:51:48I agree.
1:51:52I agree.
1:51:53I agree.
1:51:53Can't use any of these bothers.
1:51:54They really are, they're not trouble.
1:51:58I, yeah, background, it's expression.
1:52:01Different ones in different things, but they're just...
1:52:08The problem with a single portrait of an individual is that it sits there on a fixed wall, and you see it for so long, it's just like flipping through pictures in an album.
1:52:21He is something, but he's not a portrait.
1:52:26and it just hasn't you know again it's just it's too bad and there's professional pride there and all that stuff but how are we going to use something that's for the portrait you should use it out of those portraits everybody else's portrait not the one you don't like it's bad and not that cultured there must be some new man who's a genius is it
1:52:48How about a Hollywood portrait, man?
1:52:50Out there, there must be some great ones that take pictures of Hollywood people, Bob.
1:52:55Really great ones.
1:52:56Will there be one?
1:52:57Yeah, will there be one?
1:52:59Joey Ross, he's better than another guy.
1:53:02All right, I'll do one first.
1:53:05I like him.
1:53:32and they just don't want it.
1:53:34The one thing to do, if I paint this version on here that I have an absolute thought on, don't ever raise with me the problem of painting.
1:53:43Or not with sculpture.
1:53:45I will not have one.
1:53:46I mean, if they want to sculpture me, they got to do it from a photo frame.
1:53:48If they want to paint me, they got to paint me from a photo frame.
1:53:52Is that clear?
1:53:53Yes.
1:53:55Can we run the term of the board of the AMA through for a handshake?
1:54:00Yes.
1:54:01Political meeting next week here.
1:54:03I will not drop by.
1:54:04I will not drop by the AMA this year.
1:54:08Sure.
1:54:09All right.
1:54:24We've got a thing that Bucks and our farm guys think would be a good idea, which is a meeting with the four outstanding young farmers, who are not kids, these are people up to age 35, that were selected in South Dakota.
1:54:45So it's just a thing where our, you know, you invite them to shake hands with us today and have them go in.
1:54:51So four farmers and their wives, both will bring them in, introduce you, take a picture, and we feed it to the farm names.
1:55:07And Bill Murray is just feeding that he'd be allowed to bring in the directors of Honor America Day to shake hands with you.
1:55:15And I think we probably better do it every year.
1:55:19Oh yeah, they do it every year.
1:55:20That's a good bunch of people and they're meeting in Washington next week.
1:55:32Now we've dropped the plan for meeting with the Republicans in the Senate and House.
1:55:37Do you have any interest in a plan for meeting with the Democratic?
1:55:42supporters, congressmen, and also on the selected list of those who have been with us this long.
1:55:51Thank you very much.
1:55:57And the question is, I answered that yesterday.
1:56:05Can I say something?
1:56:06Yes.
1:56:07Okay.
1:56:08I'm sorry.
1:56:09Frank was asked to be in front of their office before he said it.
1:56:15Okay.
1:56:23Sure he is.
1:56:25That stuff didn't mean to jump on him.
1:56:28It's our system in here.
1:56:31I don't know what you're doing.
1:56:49Don Jackson is resigning from the ICC and wants to see you before he leaves.
1:56:52Apparently, she doesn't.
1:56:56Does he?
1:56:59Well, it depends on what the hell he wants.
1:57:02I mean, I'm not going to give him a goddamn name.
1:57:04Apparently, he doesn't want anything from leaving on a friendly basis and just wants to thank you for serving him.
1:57:10He said he'd seen the person at the end of the other trip.
1:57:13Yes, it was a good, good, good visual.
1:57:17Now, I turned down to try to remind him, I said, that's just right, you know, right now, you know, just say between, I think he put it all on the pieces between the Russian trip and his trip to Indiana.
1:57:32There's a possibility for out in the country, there may be just the thing to do right now.
1:57:40On Sunday, April 16th.
1:57:45Sorry, April 16th.
1:57:46California, maybe.
1:57:49Oh, you're here.
1:57:51Because that's the OAS in Canada and all that jazz.
1:57:57They're having a dinner in Philadelphia.
1:58:02and they're given by the Sons of Italy honoring the Cardinal, Cardinal Crow.
1:58:08There'd be 1,200 there, Mayor Rizzo and Qualtieri, the president of the Sons of Italy.
1:58:16And it could be the kind of thing like the Knights of Columbus where you, you know, you hit the...
1:58:21I mean, you've met with all sorts of things, all this Crow going to be frowning and everything, you know, Rizzo maybe.
1:58:33First, the Supreme Venerable has invited you to attend an address at Enron in Cardinal Crow.
1:58:40Can I do what they're having?
1:58:41The Supreme Council's having sessions.
1:58:43This is a national thing.
1:58:44April 16th and 17th.
1:58:45Is there any way I can go without making Volpe up with me on the plane and that sort of thing?
1:58:51Yeah, I think we can work that out.
1:58:53I hope you can't do it without Volpe being there.
1:58:55Volpe can be there, but what I'd like to do is not to go, I'm not going to go through the crap of being there in advance.
1:59:02Well, I guess you're right.
1:59:04Sitting through the dinner, I cannot do it.
1:59:06No, no.
1:59:08Like a rapid type of program.
1:59:10Fair enough.
1:59:10Yeah.
1:59:14Or is that fair enough?
1:59:15Oh, sure it is.
1:59:16Absolutely.
1:59:17That's what you should do.
1:59:18Okay, I'll do it.
1:59:19But it might be pretty good then.
1:59:21Yeah, yeah.
1:59:21That I make a speech about him for a reason.
1:59:24Make a brief one, though.
1:59:30I can read that if you understand.
1:59:31Sure.
1:59:32At least I don't care at all about that.
1:59:34I'm just telling you right now.
1:59:35So I'll get that pretty soon.
1:59:36Right.
1:59:37I'm walking.
1:59:37I'm right about you.
1:59:41Not too bad, sir.
1:59:57They were coming and going every yesterday.
2:00:00They're done.
2:00:00They did what they did.
2:00:01And it came out damn well.
2:00:04It was a pretty good move.
2:00:07Now they're back.
2:00:08And we're still holding the Southern Baptists.
2:00:12If you turn down and down, the Southern Baptists is not something you would have thought of before.
2:00:25I want you to make your call every day.
2:00:27Right.
2:00:28Yeah.
2:00:28And he said the same thing.
2:00:31The other event is in the wrong place.
2:00:35But we should vote for other events.
2:00:43Right.
2:00:56OK.
2:00:57I've barely raised that point.
2:01:07Thanks.
2:01:08That's better for you.
2:01:10You realize you're not going to get any particular public reaction.
2:01:17I'll be able to tell you some shit.
2:01:18But you'll get a good reception there, just so you know.
2:01:21Well, we don't want to parade through the city.
2:01:26I don't think we want to.
2:01:31As long as the Sunday City can.
2:01:36All right.
2:01:49They got the mission out.
2:01:51They really, really, they really snagged that.
2:01:54It was 42,000 folks who got on that.
2:01:56Yeah.
2:01:57Not one ever mentioned, not one ever mentioned the fact that they were wrecked, right?
2:02:05They were wrecked.
2:02:06On that night, they were wrecked.
2:02:19And we're still holding the Southern Baptist if you turn down the banner.
2:02:21The Southern Baptist is not something you go to Philadelphia for.
2:02:28I want you to make your call every day.
2:02:30And he said the same thing.
2:02:33The other event is in the wrong place, but we should look for other events.
2:02:59Okay.
2:03:00I've barely raised that point in time.
2:03:11That's good.
2:03:13You realize you're not going to get into a particular public reaction.
2:03:21I'll be all the time.
2:03:23You'll get a good reception there just for you.
2:03:29We don't want to praise you.
2:03:34All right.
2:03:52They really sank that.
2:03:56It was 42,000 folks down there.
2:03:58Yeah.
2:03:58Not one ever mentioned, not one ever mentioned the fact that they're wrecked, right?
2:04:07They're wrecked.
2:04:09On that night, they're wrecked.
2:04:57Thank you very much.
2:05:16I think, I think the law school is surprised by people like you.
2:05:18I'm just saying, the law school, because you're better known, that's why you get the 10.
2:05:21That's true, that's true.
2:05:38That's
2:05:40Well, it would be very helpful to us if we could run through some of the issues and look at it through your head.
2:05:49But, you know, this is one of the best things I've ever seen.
2:05:54I think it's fine.
2:05:57You don't can't write it up.
2:06:00You can't possibly get it because otherwise I'm gonna have to stand up and go back to this.
2:06:06And what time do I go to the garage at this time?
2:06:098.30 from now.
2:06:10You've got 10 minutes till 9.
2:06:11And so I work at 10 o'clock and send it back.
2:06:13You see, I can't work that early.
2:06:15I've done it, but my fight is on the TV thing.
2:06:18You get a sapphire.
2:06:19I guess you're the only one that has the capability to blow something down.
2:06:26and hydrolysis.
2:06:28And I think he knows what...
2:06:33I'm thinking of 50, 100 words.
2:06:36I think it should be 12 minutes, 10 minutes.
2:06:40You agree?
2:06:41So now or tomorrow, it will be this, this, this, this, this.
2:06:48And you can think about all of this, about the extra-racial experiences are, the kids and all that stuff, and you don't mind.
2:06:55We might have a lot of time to wrap it up.
2:07:02The following day
2:07:16The following day that I briefed, in other words, that the television led us to get across our point first.
2:07:21And the following day, I agreed with the legislation and so forth and so on.
2:07:26Why is it the Congress pissed off all day long about that?
2:07:29I mean, it makes a great deal of sense.
2:07:30I mean, Thursday night's a very good night.
2:07:35But actually, that's how I came to get the words on the Friday week.
2:07:38And he told me that he didn't have to drive back to Maine.
2:07:43Give him a third draft.
2:07:44And give him a third draft and say, tell no lie.
2:07:48But get us 1,500 well-chosen words.
2:07:53All right.
2:07:55I'll hold you up.
2:07:57Right on.
2:07:59And I think the draft is good.
2:08:00I like the plan.
2:08:01But I'm just thinking, I think Coach had a very good point.
2:08:04Why not get the subject?
2:08:05And why not have the Democrats ask for equal time?
2:08:07Do you like that idea?
2:08:09Sure.
2:08:09Do you want to deal with it?
2:08:11Go ahead, Mary.
2:08:14Can I ask, what in the hell did Christ really want when he talks about the reciprocal rights that we don't have any already?
2:08:21And we've got enough rights in death.
2:08:23We've got a lot of rights, and that's one thing.
2:08:28I've got this center of God.
2:08:45What have you got worked out with regard to Miller and Kalashnikov?
2:08:56I want to work out that they're not to sit down.
2:09:01There's not to be a press picture, just to be an online picture.
2:09:08I've got to get, somebody's got to be here to get Miller out of here.
2:09:12You've got to get a hold of who's online.
2:09:16That can't be there.
2:09:17It's got to be a public.
2:09:19But that's what I believe God is going to be here to get me out of this office.
2:09:22I cannot have it in here before it's up there with this guy.
2:09:31The rights question comes up, the grades and the rights question comes up because the statute is drafted in a type of balance between semi-parentalism and narrowing, and then trying to grade these rights for equal educational opportunity.
2:09:44So the real question becomes, to what extent, as we list these equal educational opportunity rights, are we going to make them apply to every single student in the country?
2:09:52And it doesn't have the source code to answer.
2:09:56We are, in a sense, codifying current law on the one hand, but at the same time, we're going a little further and saying that you can have that right today in Tulsa, Oklahoma, or James, Arizona, even though it may be the fact that it's not a jury case.
2:10:10Now, we don't include our segregation remedies as such.
2:10:15It's up to the court, and the court can keep going right as they are today.
2:10:20So the real choice becomes taking those out, taking away some of that balance,
2:10:25or leaving them in it and saying, you see, we aren't all bad guys.
2:10:29We're going this much further.
2:10:34That's the point of the argument.
2:10:36Now, this is basically right, but actually Mitchell was struck down on this, and Bork was struck down on this, our conservative law professor.
2:10:47Well, their argument is that it makes this whole thing more palatable
2:10:54From a constitutional standpoint.
2:10:56Put it in.
2:10:57It supports your moratorium.
2:10:58Put it in.
2:10:59Screw it up.
2:11:00Well, it gets screwed up, but still.
2:11:02If you put it in, and then start putting it on the page, it doesn't look like it needs to be screwed.
2:11:08Put it in.
2:11:10Put it in.
2:11:10Put it in.
2:11:14Now, the majority of minority transfer, you have a question mark by it in the last draft, and that's just the business of minority transfer.
2:11:28This is a situation where a kid in the black majority in a school would pick up and go to a school where he would be in the minority, suddenly due to the availability of space and facilities.
2:11:47Oh, heck, I thought you left out on this meeting.
2:11:50It's good to quit.
2:11:53I'm sorry.
2:11:53I'm sorry.
2:11:55Yeah.
2:11:55It's good to watch it a second.
2:11:57Get off it.
2:11:59You've got to get off it and get your plan.
2:12:02Yeah.
2:12:03Fine.
2:12:03Fine.
2:12:05Fine.
2:12:09Well, we've got more time.
2:12:15I'm sorry.
2:12:16I'm sorry.
2:12:28I'm sure you know I'm very excited today because I'm very excited to be sure that we're going to be running about five minutes away and then getting out of here.
2:12:43You can do that.
2:12:45Thank you.
2:13:01I think my question is whether those children may have to be barred or whether those children know that they're not in business, that that's bad.
2:13:10The real problem, I think, the real argument is absolutely barring transportation of elementary children who will be made young.
2:13:18world world world world world world world world world world world world world world world world world world
2:13:48If it's taken to be a can, then I could really lose something.
2:13:54I would be for leaving a little escape hatch down in this thing.
2:13:59And I would say that I would put a phrase in the legislation in regards to sixth grade and below, so that it would be in there.
2:14:11It would be absolute.
2:14:12It would be, in a sense, a ban with an exception.
2:14:33I don't have any illusions about the fact that now,
2:14:50I don't understand.
2:14:52We haven't tried that.
2:15:18And, uh, by the way, I think it says, I am much more than either of you who have been through an extolled martyrdom.
2:15:26I am much more pessimistic about any chance to get a favorite reaction from God and the world around us than this.
2:15:35Well, why don't you, if we could come out for the Virgin's birth, and, uh, and then she'll say that, uh, that somebody slipped in there and we didn't know it.
2:15:44Ha ha ha!
2:15:48I think that's the illusion of the corporate rights environment, the rights are in, because they've always got to say, am I important?
2:15:59But this is just saying true.
2:16:01Okay, sure.
2:16:05Well, the list is still at your school's top.
2:16:07Yeah, you feel it.
2:16:08You feel it.
2:16:09You feel how perfect it is.
2:16:10It's a pure art.
2:16:11It's a figure.
2:16:13Absolute humility is involved in this.
2:16:15But let me put it this way.
2:16:16Here's the message strong enough.
2:16:18Without making an absolute ban on my 6th grade below, how much did my 6th grade below have?
2:16:27Well, I can't answer all your questions yet, but we're going to have to go to the law court, because that's where the parents of both of us are.
2:16:35All right, fine.
2:16:37Then, does one have to escape at 5 o'clock in the evening?
2:16:42What we have now, sir, is you can't bus more than the time, distance, or number of children.
2:16:48Yeah.
2:16:48The elementary below, over what you did last year.
2:16:51Now, that means the method's too hard to bust anybody, and that's what all those kids gonna bust.
2:16:55No, you said that, but... No, but that... That... Oh.
2:17:01Oh, you mean, uh...
2:17:03But you're trying to...
2:17:04In other words, rather than saying, no, but... Of course, I think you can't go any more than that.
2:17:08You're perfectly satisfied with that.
2:17:10I think that we go and say, look, we can't turn the clock back and tell you to settle your goddamn buses.
2:17:16No, we don't do that.
2:17:17No, I'm not for that.
2:17:27But I'm simply saying, in the future, I don't want anything to bust into each other's heads.
2:17:31Does that satisfy you?
2:17:32Does that satisfy you, or is there a difference?
2:17:36Yes, that's the point.
2:17:37Now, that doesn't lend any points to our liberal friends at all.
2:17:41They think that's pretty bad.
2:17:43But you know, you need to vote on the Constitution.
2:17:47Put it in.
2:17:49And the way that Sapphire would write that,
2:17:54I'll you know I'll I'll I'll I'll I'll I'll I'll I'll I'll
2:18:24I know the problem, I know the problem.
2:18:25I'm just saying, I sympathize with them.
2:18:28They still have what they talk to, coal, mining, and all the rest.
2:18:34And they still have the idea, which is true to those of these guys.
2:18:39And they still have the idea.
2:18:42You see, I don't agree with that.
2:18:44I don't agree with that.
2:18:46I think all the religious experiences are fine.
2:18:50And believe me, let's be honest, I've read it.
2:18:54I haven't talked about it in my entire life, but I'll do it.
2:19:02If I believe it's good on the basis that they are about to take place now, I do not agree.
2:19:07I think that's the word of a nice governor in Virginia.
2:19:12When he goes and says it's pretty great for my kids to go to schools that are 90% black, I think he's lying in his teeth.
2:19:21You bring it up.
2:19:22Yes, sir.
2:19:23Are you?
2:19:23Let him hold and call me.
2:19:27And he said, listen, I want to know what you guys are going to do on the bus.
2:19:29And he says, I've got to get off this wagon.
2:19:31I said, how are you going to do it?
2:19:32Does he think he's too far over?
2:19:37That's good.
2:19:38Well, what if he's gone too far?
2:19:40When he got out of that governor's thing and went through that business about what a one foot phrase was to take his children to school, I thought, for the win, he's an awful nice guy.
2:19:51But goddammit, he don't do that.
2:19:53Let me tell you.
2:19:57I, uh, myself, as you fellows know, I have less faith in ungrateful things, Jewish things than anybody else, but God damn I know who those who are opponents are.
2:20:10And I know what people are like.
2:20:12And there is anti-Semitism.
2:20:14And there is anti-black violence.
2:20:16And black children are not equal with white children.
2:20:19And black teachers are not as good as white teachers.
2:20:21My dad happens to be the truth.
2:20:24So why the hell do you fight against the truth?
2:20:27Isn't that the problem?
2:20:28You can't tell them that.
2:20:30That's the problem.
2:20:32I told you in my email, he points out that, and who I put in the letter, that the people with the highest values are the Asians, the Japanese, the Italians.
2:20:42The people with the lowest are the blacks.
2:20:45He also points out that British, that hierarchy, was by a half a second than the Irish.
2:20:50You don't tell them about it.
2:20:52You can't tell an Irish he's got to be inferior.
2:20:54And then they say, what about Edmund Burke?
2:20:56I understand all that.
2:20:58But the point is, Ed understood it doesn't mean that we write in the law a lot of absolute crap.
2:21:05That is, that's why I thought, why I changed on him.
2:21:07I'm sure Ray didn't like it, where he racially qualified his goal.
2:21:14Regular equality is something that is a statement of the imagination.
2:21:18There is no equality with liberals.
2:21:21Is equality a goal?
2:21:22Is it a good thing?
2:21:24Of course it isn't.
2:21:27I mean, that guy is the French Revolution.
2:21:28They forget.
2:21:29What?
2:21:34I don't mean to literally follow up with your nice son-in-law ideas, but let me pull you over.
2:21:40You see, I feel on a personal level, much harder to get into places because they look like there's a mass problem there.
2:21:50Not like Len.
2:21:53Len does his best.
2:21:54But these professional liberals shot that big in the I.A.S.
2:22:00On the other hand, I doubt if we are going to really put ourselves in a position, John, where we say things that are not true.
2:22:10I mean, if that's the problem here, you know, you can use it.
2:22:13But if I overstate it, if I use it about it,
2:22:17I'm all the same because I'm here.
2:22:19If I'm wrong, I don't know, because I haven't delivered this one.
2:22:22The tiger and the giraffe.
2:22:24They're the only teachings I've made for all of them.
2:22:26They're the semantics.
2:22:27But they had hell to do with such things.
2:22:29You have to know all about it.
2:22:31Don't talk nonsense.
2:22:32Let me give you an example.
2:22:33I know this is about the road to Latin America.
2:22:38I'm sorry.
2:22:39But the conclusion of that talk...
2:22:41I am proud that we haven't done this.
2:22:45I am proud that we have more integration.
2:22:49I am proud that we did more for black schools.
2:22:52I am proud that we have more black schools.
2:22:54I am proud that every one of us is a dancer.
2:22:57They can stay with their heart.
2:22:58Don't say it that way.
2:23:00But you say the same thing in a different way.
2:23:02Our record speaks better than it speaks more than our record.
2:23:05We have done this.
2:23:06We have done that.
2:23:07Don't you prefer to go out there gently?
2:23:09Do you like that there's a sign in the crowd there?
2:23:12And then another thing is a small matter, referring to Brown versus Florida Education.
2:23:17He has a strong right to decision.
2:23:19What the hell is this story?
2:23:25And then going on to say, the crowd achievements of the last time.
2:23:29Hell, they aren't crowd achievements.
2:23:30They're achievements.
2:23:32You agree or not?
2:23:33Because they don't make a bell on the other side of the television.
2:23:38I don't think they will.
2:23:42Black schools are not necessarily inferior schools.
2:23:46But it is fine.
2:24:06I have no problem with that.
2:24:10I didn't realize that.
2:24:21Yeah.
2:24:22Yeah.
2:24:22Yeah.
2:24:22Yeah.
2:24:23Yeah.
2:24:24Yeah.
2:24:24Yeah.
2:24:25Yeah.
2:24:27Yeah.
2:24:39We could possibly draft any kind of a skateboard on this cereal.
2:24:58And on the other side, very candidly, he's got smarter lawyers than we do.
2:25:01In terms of what we've got to put out there in the Justice Department, they're going to find a screwy case to take out, a lot too below Mississippi, when they still happen to be driving across by a white and a black school, replacing whites in there.
2:25:15Do we want to gamble that we'll get the worst possible case to go up to the Supreme Court where we could look, you know, more into that, or try and get some way to get that, and we haven't had a perfectly honest test, that wouldn't allow a lot of cities to apply, in the last few people, apply for exemptions to the moratorium to pursue work where they could do more desegregation if less possible.
2:25:37That's the kind of problem.
2:25:39And we, you know, do we want to take a shot at that or go with the hard moratorium?
2:25:44In other words, work is a hard part of life.
2:25:50Work is also, they all say, we think there's a constitutional argument that is arguable and relatively sound for the moratorium only.
2:25:58We'll grant you that if you leave a little police officer for something of that nature, it doesn't answer to the constitutionality.
2:26:05It's a question that we've got four in 10, six in 10, seven in 10, but the Supreme Court's trying to get us to put it in different terms.
2:26:12There's a moratorium directed at busing.
2:26:16And there's a moratorium directed at desegregation as to which busing is an aspect.
2:26:40If you don't increase the bucket, you can go ahead and desegregate.
2:26:59That is the problem.
2:27:00Knowing your heart hurts is the dang few cases that come.
2:27:04That is the problem.
2:27:05Because if you could say it in a way that will be a mark where I want to know, and know increased trust, if that's the product, if you could say that, I'm not concerned with winning that framework.
2:27:18There will continue to be, if so, can you say, no increased buses?
2:27:23Not only could there be no increased buses, but I can write up an awful lot of cases very quickly that are going to put a hell of a lot of new kids on different buses to different schools.
2:27:35And that's what people want, without injury.
2:27:37Without injuries.
2:27:39I'm still dealing with thousands of buses and only 10,000 cars.
2:27:43I know.
2:27:44I know.
2:27:46I know.
2:27:47I know.
2:27:48I know.
2:27:48I know.
2:27:49I know.
2:27:50I know.
2:27:50I know.
2:27:50I know.
2:27:52I know.
2:27:53I know.
2:27:53I know.
2:27:55I know.
2:27:56I know.
2:27:57I know.
2:27:57I know.
2:27:59I know.
2:27:59I know.
2:28:00I know.
2:28:00I know.
2:28:04Because there will be you think you can achieve some additional elimination to do so like it says There will be no Bonds
2:28:31that without that in any case involving deteriorating segregation, I don't say it on a middle school system, I guess in the de facto election, deteriorating segregation, that the goal may be achieved without any initial fussing.
2:29:01Well, we can measure it several ways.
2:29:03Let me put it this way.
2:29:04It's what can tell people things that's going to happen to them and not what happens to them.
2:29:12Isn't that basically where we ended up last time?
2:29:15If you can write something that way, is that what you both want?
2:29:22I feel more comfortable with it because I hate to see us make you vulnerable to the charge that you were asking for years for you to have desegregation.
2:29:32All right.
2:29:33I'm asking for years for you to have more buses.
2:29:35More buses.
2:29:37That's it.
2:29:38But not on, frankly, more kids on buses to have desegregation.
2:29:42Is that what you're trying to say?
2:29:44My point is...
2:29:46My point is that we're going to let the conference talk about it.
2:29:53Sure, they may.
2:29:54They well may.
2:29:55Now, there's a chance, and I'm still working on the burger on this, but there's a chance that we can slip this moratorium right into that conference up there.
2:30:04that's got those three house instructive members and see if we could get them to go for this uh
2:30:28Don't wait for this language.
2:30:30Let him get the goddamn thing ready now.
2:30:32Oh, sure.
2:30:33Done 1,500.
2:30:33It's starting to burn now.
2:30:35So 1,500 birds.
2:30:37And, uh, goodbye.
2:30:51No, I think Thursday.
2:30:54Thursday is not, yes sir.
2:30:55Now some of the, some of the, well some of them will be out on Friday.
2:31:01So we should brief key senators and before the speech, Congress before the speech.
2:31:18Then I don't have to be there.
2:31:19Oh, no.
2:31:19I don't need to be there.
2:31:20There's like four of us.
2:31:22You don't mind.
2:31:23You brief them before this is here, but, uh, uh, all right.
2:31:30Then, then you brief the press the following day.
2:31:32Right.
2:31:33When you send a message.
2:31:34You send a, we've got this kind of message.
2:31:36Yes, sir.
2:31:37Yeah.
2:31:37All right.
2:31:39Well, Jerry, that's a problem.
2:31:41I've given in on everything.
2:31:42So, you've got an issue.
2:31:43You've got a harder option.
2:31:44If I'd like one, there's one.
2:31:50The one thing that you put all of us in, I thought it was a joke.
2:31:56I told all of them about this.
2:32:05I don't think it will happen.
2:32:07I wish it would happen.
2:32:09I'm sure they'll consider this the darkest hour.
2:32:12They must say, be sure this doesn't work right in the field.
2:32:16They've done that for three and a half years.
2:32:25I want a list of every lawyer in the government.
2:32:28I quote you this, John.
2:32:29Every lawyer in the government on the schedule C, everyone.
2:32:33Everyone is going to be fired.
2:32:34Every son of a bitch in one, friend, enemy, or everything the day after the election.
2:32:40Where are we?
2:32:41Yes, sir.
2:32:42Everyone.
2:32:55what do you think?
2:32:58I can't think of what I want to say.
2:33:03I have a pipeline case.
2:33:07They've got a couple of real hamburgers representing the government in the pipeline case.
2:33:11So I called them and said, listen, let's get outside the council.
2:33:14We've got to use these little
2:33:21Well the question
2:33:44The $1.5 billion is the only really new money that we've got besides current Title I.
2:33:49The chance to run that conference walks away from us.
2:33:52We don't have it in the money part of this program.
2:33:55The $1.5 that we need, that's our only question.
2:33:57So we don't have to ask more money?
2:34:00No.
2:34:01Here's where we do that.
2:34:03That 1.5 was to aid those districts that were being forced to desegregate and move from below the unitary school system.
2:34:27So we're going to have two standards for the distribution of this money.
2:34:32Those districts that still need it after two years, most of them are taken care of.
2:34:35But those that are desegregating and still need it can come in and apply just as we've proposed.
2:34:41But then the money that's not used that way, plus the Title I money, will go into these poor districts where these kids are impacted and are not going to be bused.
2:34:55Now, that should save us with the Congress, because we're not abandoning our principles.
2:34:59We're just saying, two years later, the situation's changed.
2:35:02We've got a more pressing need for this money.
2:35:05And so, fine, we'll help desegregate the district.
2:35:07If Congress screws it up, we'll blame the Congress.
2:35:10We're in the right position.
2:35:11We've asked for more treasuries.
2:35:12And the moment we get past this message,
2:35:15There ain't going to be any soft moratoriums, purgatives, moratoriums.
2:35:20Now, the other thing that I, I don't know whether, I don't know whether you felt it or not, but in the draft, John, is there any reason why we can't use the word moratorium?
2:35:32No.
2:35:33Well, it was studiously avoided in all drafts.
2:35:36It said they had to get it correct.
2:35:38That's what we've been talking about.
2:35:44That's what I understand.
2:35:49But you don't need to call us a soft moratorium.
2:35:52This is not a soft moratorium.
2:35:53But there's a soft version of a moratorium, which we haven't even advanced to you.
2:35:58And that says that it works with distance and with time.
2:36:07We got that out.
2:36:10And this is the hard part.
2:36:12We've got to have a little something on here to keep it.
2:36:17Well, we've got to make some of our own people.
2:36:20I don't argue with any of the other side.
2:36:23I know people that are slaves and this and that.
2:36:25Our decent liberals and our staff can sign.
2:36:28These are called the crumbs.
2:36:30Well, actually, there's nothing more.
2:36:32There's nothing more to say.
2:36:33We've got to do this.
2:36:38The recitation of what it is, it creates causes of action for equal educational opportunity.
2:36:46The bilingual and the uniform distribution of money throughout the school district, well, that's existing law.
2:37:00And they all claim to do that anyway.
2:37:03The majority of the minority of counselors is the one that I'm on.
2:37:07Uh, I don't know, what, what, why do we have to put that in there?
2:37:13Well, I, well, Mark likes to take the whole thing in section L. Yeah, well, let's just focus on majority minority.
2:37:19The whole section, what about the whole section, the whole down section, the whole down section?
2:37:24Yeah, but, but, let's focus on majority minority now.
2:37:27Why does that need to be in there?
2:37:29It doesn't.
2:37:30It doesn't exist in law.
2:37:31It doesn't exist in law.
2:37:34I don't believe that majority minority transfer is sensitive particularly.
2:37:38I think it's too goddamn confusing.
2:37:41What is it?
2:37:41Because we have equal choice as I never was.
2:37:45The whole list.
2:37:47of balance that you can take individually and take any one of them out.
2:37:51And as I'm saying, I don't think that's the whole damn thing.
2:37:53I don't agree.
2:37:54We've got school construction out.
2:37:56Because we would have had lawsuits all over the country, by the way.
2:38:00It was in my life that no of those schools cannot be built.
2:38:04Is that what you meant?
2:38:05Oh, that's out.
2:38:07That's out.
2:38:07All right.
2:38:08Go ahead.
2:38:09I'm quite sure that that's out.
2:38:10Now, that was minority to minority.
2:38:12The majority to minority cancer to me was confusing.
2:38:17and too difficult to explain, and I can go out and do that.
2:38:22Let that develop, let the regent or somebody develop that, and the curators would just say, it's too confusing for us to throw it in there, and everybody would say, now what the hell is this?
2:38:34The majority of it would already transfer and it would still work.
2:38:37I just don't like him carrying $300 with him and all that.
2:38:41That doesn't sound good at all.
2:38:43Does that matter?
2:38:44Call a separate resignation on here to take that out?
2:38:48No such luck as you said, sir.
2:38:51No such luck as you said, sir.
2:39:15That's code word.
2:39:16That's code word.
2:39:17I think we're just better off.
2:39:19I just like all of our white, Jewish parents.
2:39:36You know, that's where it's a funny thing.
2:39:39It's a funny thing that Paisley used to argue with his liberal friends, you know, the ones who raised him over the place, you know.
2:39:45Oh, and there's a forest, you know, over there on the other side of the forest floor against that thing down there.
2:39:49Now, he sticks on the back and he hasn't done so much.
2:39:53That's not great about him right now.
2:40:01I had a visit yesterday from our three black appointees, Jackson, Simmons, and Brown.
2:40:08They did a fairly good job of neutralizing some of the Democratic effort in there.
2:40:15There was a very active...
2:40:29opposition effort.
2:40:32But they did say on the bus stand that that resolution was very bad, which offered by Roy Ennis.
2:40:39And he offered it at a time when there was almost nobody on the floor.
2:40:45He got it through.
2:40:47And so then they saw the opposition skirted around and they offered a pro-bus stand, which also passed.
2:40:57So they said, don't set too much store.
2:40:59Those guys have got to be worried because they're established with blacks.
2:41:04And God bless them.
2:41:05I want all of their kids to go to white schools because they can go up.
2:41:09But I also don't know whether, incidentally, I don't know.
2:41:13I'm sorry.
2:41:13I have very strong feelings about this one.
2:41:18The, uh...
2:41:20The, uh...
2:41:25That's what I call a lost generation.
2:41:28Don't you agree with that?
2:41:30Yes sir.
2:41:30Now let's face it, let's face it.
2:41:31How many blacks, how many blacks in Harvard and Watts and South Chicago are gonna develop a bus?
2:41:39A whole generation's gonna get lost, right?
2:41:44I rewrote that in great superiority.
2:41:47Am I overstating it?
2:41:49Am I right?
2:41:50I don't agree.
2:41:52You're thinking wrong.
2:41:54All you have to do is remake the T. You don't have to put a marquee.
2:42:03No, no, no.
2:42:03You said it was right.
2:42:04I said it was right.
2:42:06I said it was right.
2:42:10He's losing involvement.
2:42:12As I look down the line, the kids aren't there.
2:42:14They're getting bussed across town and they drop out of school.
2:42:18And where are my good kids then?
2:42:20They can't run across town and drop out of school.
2:42:21Isn't that it?
2:42:22They're separated.
2:42:23But they're out of their neighborhood.
2:42:24They're in a cultural center.
2:42:27And he's pretty into getting black.
2:42:29He's saying, well, my university's in trouble.
2:42:32But they're trying to do the decent thing.
2:42:35That's the main thing.
2:42:36And we want to catch her up.
2:42:39Yeah, you'll catch out from the Washington Post.
2:42:43They'll say, they really didn't create any new rights.
2:42:49They really didn't get any new money.
2:42:50All they did was recycle the old money.
2:42:53And at the same time, they went hardline on the buses.
2:42:56And it was a very, like, a drunk, skillful, cynical maneuver.
2:43:00Okay.
2:43:02That's the question there at my time.
2:43:04Yeah.
2:43:05All right.
2:43:06Anybody want to say anything about it?
2:43:09Sure.
2:43:11I'll do that.
2:43:13Well, they're on the constitutional amendment down there, but as I say, one of the things we've got to do now is Morgan and I and others have got to get out in the regions and back around the hell out of this with the editorial boards.
2:43:37Yeah.
2:43:38But let's bracket around it where it helps.
2:43:39And that's another way.
2:43:41Go to Michigan.
2:43:42Yes, they also got a chance.
2:43:44Yes, sir.
2:43:45We got, we got 10 strikes.
2:43:46According to our, according to everybody, he was amazing.
2:43:49He had some bold thing before they got him.
2:43:5341, 41.
2:43:53I said, who got that pocket?
2:43:55Yeah, the black caucus in a voter booth in P.G., which I'm kicking up to 5,000.
2:44:03uh... uh...
2:44:22It's a very big issue in some parts of Ohio.
2:44:26I think that it's a very big problem.
2:44:38Alright, how about it?
2:44:39How's it going on?
2:44:41Oh, yeah, well, you know, there's a thing we should set up over such control.
2:44:44Yeah, we don't really have time to do anything.
2:44:46We're locked up in Chicago.
2:44:47Yeah, we stay here.
2:44:48That's true.
2:44:49That is a great concept.
2:44:51No, sir.
2:44:51Don't really say that.
2:44:52Yeah.
2:44:52We're down on that draft number one.
2:44:54Number one.
2:44:56It didn't survive.
2:44:56Wow.
2:44:56But we've got to get out of here.
2:45:01It seems like we've got to get rid of the center.
2:45:02We've got about ten more minutes.
2:45:04We've got to get rid of it.
2:45:06Let's get over here as soon as I get ready to get out.
2:45:09I want to get Sapphire to work just getting drafts for, you know, I heard Ray's working on that, on the handout for history.
2:45:16And Sapphire's going to work for folks, right?
2:45:20So I could do it, but I shouldn't.
2:45:21I mean, I've got to get a draft of him first.
2:45:25I don't think what I'm saying is so important.
2:45:27It's how it's said and how simple it is.
2:45:29The presidential message, you agree with it?
2:45:33And the fact that you're up there saying it should be lifted right out of the bowl, and while we know we all, remember we discussed this earlier.
2:45:41We all agreed we should not.
2:45:43Why do we agree with it?
2:45:44Well, I thought we were going to, I think times were different for one thing.
2:45:48We were all caught up in the primary and all that, and I think that's now as far as I'm concerned.
2:45:54Uh, the other thing is that this, with this ICP thing kicking along, you need something else to be talking about.
2:46:02And, uh, so it's very appealing to me from that standpoint.
2:46:05Well, I understand.
2:46:07So you're out there talking on a domestic issue.
2:46:10Right.
2:46:10And it's, uh, you want to start a response in court.
2:46:13Right.
2:46:13All of that.
2:46:15I think so.
2:46:16I think so.
2:46:17Uh, but I think it is.
2:46:18Oh, we know right where it's coming from.
2:46:23I think where we can make hay for this is in Tennessee, Kentucky.
2:46:33I was there in anticipation.
2:46:54And I did both editorial boards, I did the two television stations, and then I did a luncheon.
2:47:02And so we spent the hell out of Dallas on busing for a couple of days.
2:47:07Now, we didn't do Houston, and that's an entirely different part of the world.
2:47:16This is about the third black county with a black generation.
2:47:20Well, do Houston, do San Antonio, do San Antonio, what about the Mexicans?
2:47:25Do the valley, the California, get up and down.
2:47:28Yeah, something in the valley.
2:47:29Pasadena.
2:47:30Some are orange, kind of California.
2:47:32They're all white there, but they don't want to, you know, they're just four-year-old kind of principal.
2:47:36We've got another place in Nevada where we've got something at the key state.
2:47:41Ohio, be sure you get to go to Ohio.
2:47:44Denver, be sure you get to go to Ohio.
2:47:47Denver is very popular.
2:47:49It's very popular in Indiana.
2:47:52Indiana should be done if there's any interest in it.
2:47:55Oh, I thought we could do that.
2:47:56Indianapolis is one of the hottest states in the United States.
2:47:59What are you saying?
2:48:00Let me tell you the states.
2:48:05Of course, Tennessee is important.
2:48:07In terms of the politics, they'll get the words.
2:48:11Tennessee, Kentucky, and Virginia.
2:48:13We don't carry Tennessee, Kentucky, and Virginia.
2:48:16We only get about three states in the country.
2:48:19Even quite a few states that we don't bust it now or not.
2:48:22So I would only do those with second-line people.
2:48:27Indiana, Ohio, California, Texas, Illinois.
2:48:32Anybody care about Wisconsin?
2:48:37Well, I don't think we've had much.
2:48:42There it is.
2:48:44Those are the one-shots, okay.
2:48:48So put the big tires and the big guns in the states where it could make it there.
2:48:54Not in New York.
2:48:54Nobody cares in New York.
2:48:57it's not much of an issue in new york because they outlawed blessing about four years ago the tennessee will be for them to push new big guns into tennessee kentucky
2:49:14Let our local guys handle us there.
2:49:16Let visitors and all the rest handle us there.
2:49:19But you guys go ahead to the other states, to Illinois and the rest.
2:49:25Now, can we get any liberal Republicans like Percy to support this main thing?
2:49:30Now, take it Percy.
2:49:31See, he's pro-bussing.
2:49:33He's pro-bussing opposite Pusitsky, who's anti-bussing.
2:49:38Pusitsky is murdering for this.
2:49:41Percy could have it all erased.
2:49:43Oh, I'll say.
2:49:44I'll say.
2:49:45What's happening is that the conservative Republicans are moving over.
2:49:49They're moving away from it.
2:49:49It's like I said, if I had Percy Grace in China, he'd be sending his wife to China next month.
2:50:00She won't be.
2:50:01She'll come with a Chicago Harvard plug.
2:50:08It's been announced, so I don't have the time.
2:50:12Well, anyway, we're gonna meet later today with Colson and McGregor and set up the PR plan for this thing for the next couple of weeks.
2:50:31The thing to do is you have editorial board.
2:50:56Yeah, of course.
2:50:57But the main thing is to hit the media.
2:50:59It's going to hit folks.
2:51:02The more you do, the taller you get.
2:51:03I don't want to put you off.
2:51:05Well, like in Dallas, there's a great show.
2:51:09Yeah, it was an hour.
2:51:10Where you sit there and ask me questions and you can develop good answers, full answers.
2:51:15And you have to look at those shows, but Klein's office knows where most of it is.
2:51:20Now, regarding the fact that it's going to be a problem, we should say nothing about that at this point.
2:51:30Right.
2:51:30Absolutely.
2:51:34I think we can determine that.
2:51:38Thursday morning.
2:51:39We've got as late as we can because we've got to set up the day.
2:51:42It has to get a little off the scale, right?
2:51:44Yeah.
2:51:45You can read the day.
2:51:45Yeah, I would set up two, three, ten minutes.
2:51:48Oh, yeah.
2:51:48No more than that.
2:51:49Yeah, great.
2:51:50Bye.
2:51:52And you would brief the congressmen before in order to get some good answers for them, good support for them.
2:51:58Well, besides they'd be out of town, right?
2:52:00So then the next day at 10 o'clock, you'd have a briefing in the East Room, right?
2:52:05So I'm aware, but sometimes I'd better brief in the East Room and say you're going to brief in the East Room for all the press and the legislation and all that.
2:52:17The details of the message and so forth and so forth.
2:52:19You would not put the message out that night.
2:52:21You would put it out on and off.
2:52:24The message is sent to the Congress the following day.
2:52:27And then, you see, you can read the press before the message goes up.
2:52:30So the message is probably going to read the press tomorrow.
2:52:37That's good.
2:52:37I'm all for it.
2:52:40We do have at least a few kernels for your array of land.
2:52:58it isn't it isn't the garments and the prices as much as the ridges and the shows
2:53:16well george tends to be more middle of the road and uh so this kind of process of bringing them along with us
2:53:42Schultz will fight that, you know, very hard.
2:53:45I don't think it's going to make the difference anyway.
2:53:47He's got a mental interview, incidentally, on this 20% social security thing, again making a point that you shouldn't give on it.
2:53:56And we're still waiting to hear from Colin, so that's still up in the air.
2:54:00But your point, as I understood it, was to say, did we write the letter to Senator Bennigan?
2:54:07No, he asked to have a visit instead.
2:54:10So the boys have gone out to sea instead of Michigan today instead of writing the letter.
2:54:18And so they look through that visit thing and they will ask him then to release the committee print.
2:54:24And we'll know later today how that got done.
2:54:28Well, on the search of security, do you have any other views on it?
2:54:33No, I think we're positioned right where we should be to screw up the whole detail.
2:54:37On the search of security, that's right.
2:54:39How can they be screwed up?
2:54:41Are they going to hang on to something?
2:54:42Well, sure, that's it.
2:54:43They'll split it off then.
2:54:45and then brought back something else that they're right to do, they'll send it to you by itself.
2:54:50But if they do that, then that has the effect of just dead-ending the arrest.
2:54:57What I'm getting back at you is the key crisis.
2:55:02When they come in, what position does this lead for?
2:55:06I mean, are they just going to walk the case out there and fight for what you've decided?

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