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Well, it's certainly a hard day, isn't it?

Yeah.

I mean, there's snow.

It's too cold.

You know, I've never been here in Minnesota in March.

Boy, it gets colder.

And it wipes everything out.

And it wipes out the spring.

I was here once.

One Easter, it snowed.

uh... uh... uh...

I think that if you go to any one of our Senate groups, apparently the L.A. D.T.

is going to, or at least the last of the period was everybody who led the Executive Senate this morning, and they're not here.

They may run, and who was that who was out in the hall?

I don't know who was out in the hall.

But they told Janine that he would not be called to hear about the war today.

I was attracted to one person this morning.

I'd like some of that tea, honey.

So... about that...

I don't think we had anything to do with the investigation of the Miami beach.

Nothing?

Nothing yesterday.

The old group's gathering this morning.

They haven't sent the investigator out.

That's the first thing they're supposedly going to do this morning, the committee, is to decide on that and hopefully send them on today.

We've got an interview about the Watson, sir.

Jack Anderson is running a story on Gus Watson.

Apparently, it's got everybody all stirred up, and I think it's just 10% that he thought that Bill Rogers was practically ready to break down the crowd.

He's running a story that Watson, I guess it was on his way back to Paris, I don't know, it may have been on his way over here, but anyway, on the airplane, he was drunk.

was demanded a bottle of scotch, the stewardess wouldn't give it to him, so he went out and took one out of the thing, put it in his suitcase, the stewardess took it away, and he ended up barely chasing the stewardesses, making proper propositions for them.

And I've talked to a whole few private couriers about it.

Just very disgraceful conduct, in other words, and some passenger on the plane told Jack Anderson, said Jack Anderson is

helpful attitude is running hysterical when I tell Peter, I'm on the rockers, I'm on the rockers, I'm on the rockers, I'm on the rockers, I'm on the rockers, I'm on the rockers, I'm on the rockers, I'm on the rockers, I'm on the rockers, I'm on the rockers, I'm on the rockers, I'm on the rockers, I'm on the rockers, I'm on the rockers, I'm on the rockers,

You move on something like this, in the first place, people, you know, all kinds of people get into trouble with this, like, you guys, you must have done this, fooling around with the girls, and that's, you've got to, you've got to laugh and say, yeah, I'm going to say, I'm glad I wasn't bullied, like most people around here would do.

I guess he has a girl problem here and there.

You know, so what?

I mean, what the hell is wrong with it?

It's a good thing it's wrong.

I mean, it's wrong in a moral sense to people that are moralists.

We've got that.

Well, this is why I didn't kill the girl.

That was exactly the plan.

Someone killed her.

Someone said, you know what, it's completely ruined Watson.

And I said, well, just a minute now.

The United States Senator is saying the girl on the farm left her to die.

And did that really intimidate the Democrats?

They said nothing about that.

The guys were present.

They were just...

I want you to know, Bob, I just didn't know if you would have raised you with me and told me about this Watson story with Anderson.

That is the biggest bunch of nonsense I ever saw.

Look, people get drunk.

People chase girls.

And the point is, it's a hell of a lot better for them to get drunk than to chase girls.

It's better to chase girls than boys.

Now that's my position.

Let's stop this crap.

I can't.

And just ridiculous.

I mean, I, in fact, I don't believe it.

I mean, I don't believe, I believe somebody made them mad or something like that.

And my God, Anderson's written about Bob.

He's written about Nauber.

He'll be writing about somebody else around here one day.

And we can't take this kind of stuff that our people have got to eat.

Mitchell has a great problem with it.

You know, Mark has always put their hands on people.

Doesn't mean a thing.

Why don't you agree with me?

I mean, the state people, I think, are saying, well, we're going to do something about this.

But you know what?

They didn't want to knock out any guy that's on our team.

No, really.

Really, I mean, we, uh, the point is, I never hear them come in and want to throw a city department guy out, you know, who's approaching a boy.

When I've got that, they're not going to get Watson because he's been chasing a girl.

That's the way I feel about it.

I feel very strongly about it.

Yeah.

All right.

Okay, I have a point to make.

I have a second.

He chases girls through.

He doesn't do it over.

He doesn't do it this way.

What Henry does, apparently, is he has some offense for him, in a sense.

You know, the high level of lining up with girls, and then arranging it for the girl to chase him, which is a little more flattering.

I don't know.

You take Martha.

Everybody in America is worried about Martha.

Julie's worried about Martha because she's so nice.

I don't worry about Martha.

She's dumb.

I mean, she's a jerk.

I mean, she can go off on expeditions.

She's driving me up the wall.

I can't stand her.

I can't even reach her hand.

Goddamn.

People like Martha.

There's a lot of people who are animals.

And our part is, Mr. Dodd, that now, when you get past Irvine Roth, when you get past Pat Nixon, Trisha Nixon, Trisha Thompson, Julia Eisenhower,

Do you ask people in this country who they'd like to have come to dress their woman's clothes?

I'll lend the money.

Nobody.

She's wonderful.

Who the hell wants to hear her?

Nobody.

She's a wonderful person.

If you ask the Davenport Island Women's Club, who they first gave their names to, if you offered them Martha Mitchell or

A combination.

Mrs. Agnew, Mrs. Rogers, Mrs. Laird, and uh, uh, Helen .

And now Marina Hoffman and Woodman.

You're Marina's type.

Yeah, but if you took all of this right now and said, would you like all of those or would you like my type?

You'd take my type.

The reason Marina is different is that she's handsome, but also

She has brains enough to get away with the rest.

She's got some personality.

She's got a little charm.

I hope nobody worried about that.

Screw it.

I'm telling you.

Don't get in there.

There's no thought in that.

Even when I'm calling the house now, I'm not going to have Parker in there.

He's going to wait.

He's going to clue us.

He was like, what are you going to do?

We were on this trip.

Remember, I'm here to send a wire.

He's just going to wait a month.

Right on.

I'm sorry about the loss today, but God damn it.

Why do people read that shit-ass text?

Did they all come in, I suppose, when he was attacked and downed by a horse that would run it down, I suppose, with another?

Or did they all have to throw it down on the wolves that would attack him?

He's done, sure, for some reason.

This one's got, I guess, because it was once in Stanton Plains, they've got more people, more in it, it's been all right.

Gotta see how many people were out there and let Watson sue for that.

Could I ask you a question about Henry von Kahl?

What are we, how are we going to do it, and when?

He's panning it out and talking to some people, and he should.

I was thinking a little about the Chinese one, and I couldn't really remember anything probably about them.

It takes a week or something to get around over here.

No, I guess they're one on one.

My point is that we should not...

We should not let the press get away with sinking the China trip.

I don't think they are.

Let me say it.

I think they're having a desperate time trying to sink it.

I mean, you know what I mean.

That's why they say he has that discussion because their deal wasn't money.

The guy said he'd go into discussion.

Am I correct?

You're not sure?

And so on down the line.

And then, of course, they watch this thing down immediately.

And also, it makes a big deal.

So forth.

But my point is, I think it's right.

Without, let's get, how do we do it?

We say nothing, but by getting in focus, right?

Well, we'll go ahead now.

Did you get my memorandum that I wrote to you on that point?

Yeah.

Memorandum on what to talk, what do you think of that idea?

Yeah.

Because I think that's a great idea.

Yeah.

And you can talk to us about others, but I had a really exciting story.

I saw it in the summer, and it didn't get across to me at this point.

It did.

And it did what it got across.

It got across pretty well.

And, uh, well, that's a good little side, basically, with that.

I mean, it is not Henry on Cal.

It's really funny that he's citing that, because he says it.

Because he says that Stuart Allison citing the fact that the journals, let me say it, that's bullshit.

Auditor affects the journalist.

That is, oh, it affects them to an extent.

What affects people is this goddamn TV.

You and I heard about a lot of journalists hanging on the couch of, there won't be a journalist in this country who doesn't watch that.

Or, and certainly in this country, he can say something.

He can affect them on that.

He can go into the fact.

I do think this, though.

I don't know the perspective, we just aren't so fortunate.

You can see why I'm not writing a memorandum.

He should, because it looks like a goddamn pompous jack-of-all-times, you know, like Johnson would do.

But the point is, Bob, other people around here should be thinking of that sort of thing.

Remember the memorandum?

I think that we've sort of forgotten to think about it, because we're doing so much.

We ought to be trying to do it against command.

Go ahead.

When I was talking about the call, and I was so, so good, I decided to do it when we were just talking about the time to let us get down.

Well, we, I want to do it in time.

I don't want to go to, I've got to do my press conference.

I'm going to do one in Greenwood Lane and another press conference.

There are all sorts of things that we have not done.

I don't know if you've ever heard about the important people

Go ahead, you're gonna check on it.

They said that Watson thing, I pulled up, I, damn, I ran through the room.

Hell, because that's my stupid, dumb brother of mine.

He wrote three columns on him.

My brother does stupid things.

What am I supposed to do?

Get some of the poor son of a bitch?

No, I don't get some of my big old bitch.

All the problems in America.

Well, also that they blew it, you know, I think that in America, if somebody were to give power to your house, and they ought to have it quite a distance down.

Well, you think that's how it came out?

Supposedly a passenger that did it in a no-comment position.

Well, I can't expect him to go out on a passenger.

Well, damn passenger son of a bitch.

Well, I must say, I do think it's a lesson in life.

If he did it, nobody in a public position should ever get up on a plane.

And then there's the ugliest stories in the world.

They used to have stories, but I can't go which way anymore.

They have, yeah.

In fact, they identify the worst.

You said Eastern and I have two worst, Senator.

Well, none of them are very good.

June 8th, in Japan, there's an American assembly meeting in which they want to distinguish the American movement.

I don't talk about administration policy.

They've asked me, and I'm not going to do it, but they thought of Richardson, and I wondered whether that might be a good idea.

He wants to go, but he'll be just coming back from... How will that be?

It'll still be at... No, it'll be at a distant jail.

All right.

Great response.

But that's your time to be reserved.

I've got to go.

If you're not going to the West Coast, I'll go from Ottawa.

I'll come to Ottawa.

They would have sent you to the West Coast.

One of the reasons I'm not is because I'm going to the West Coast.

Don't tell them.

No, I can't do that.

The reason I'm going to the West Coast is because I can't go out of California to come to the West Coast.

Do you not want me to say it?

Huh?

That's not a business conversation.

Oh, I did the great Iron Man again.

I was an RSA leader.

See, we'd only do it this first year, this last year.

I did it six times.

I got down there, and they murdered me every night.

They hated me.

They had more of me.

I don't know what the fuck was the right thing to do.

Just not to cancel the president.

The president wanted me to do that.

I didn't.

That's what I did.

I wished to start over again.

I mean, it, I've almost had to go to the end of it, because you can have a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a,

Oh, the picture in the New York Times.

Well, he said all the big things, that's something we're checking with Fisher.

See, I can't say, I cannot discuss down on what, if you would, I think maybe you ought to call Watson and say, look, the President wants you to know you've actually completed this plan, and so on and so forth.

Then second, I would say, now, look, from now on, the President wants you to be very adamant, be very mysterious, and say, you know,

I am not going to discuss what has happened at this meeting.

Period.

Just say that in that way, because I think a lot of these are gone and thought, well, nothing's going to happen.

Unless Mr. Iverson or the people in this space did.

Another thing these bastards did is they did not just go to heaven, not Raja, but they had scheduled a meeting with Watts on the day, and those people need every use to meet with us.

Yeah.

Good luck.

Have a good time.

Henry, it would be very important that Wall Street get on the ground.

They will talk to their subjects.

But what is very important to them would be to get across some of those sighting points to them.

That's the kind of thing they were really interested in.

They stood out there.

That's what I'm talking about.

What the hell was the man doing once he lied?

You see, but what it is, they just got a little pierced their selves behind a tree so that they could breathe and do whatever they wanted.

Okay.

This is not a thing.

He wanted to do that week of the 26th and I didn't think that's probably the best time to do it.

That's the week after your press conference if you do one.

It's right before Easter.

It's a time that they can still build it up some in a couple weeks.

You let us go for the week after.

You don't let us go to this.

I can find the link the week after better in case I have to postpone it and press conference because of some of what you're saying.

I need two options in my life.

You know what I mean?

Yes, you could.

And there could be a pretty good argument, maybe, for wanting to wait to do it then.

And if Congress is out for their Easter recess, the Delta will start coming up.

So we'll take that time on Easter to read that and check it out.

Okay, so given that, let's give it that time.

First week in April, first week in April, each week.

And that's trying to get us back into staycation is a good time at that time.

And we're not going to California, which is good.

Okay.

That'd be the week before the gridiron.

The week between Easter and the gridiron.

It's not bad.

Did you do that?

Okay.

That's a good week, I think.

Good.

Things are a little slow then.

That's right.

Good time to get a kick on China.

It's about midway between China and Russia.

Can I also suggest...

This is a different kind of a special entry after he's back from education for a few power groups around the country.

Now let's have that identified, but put your brain as a young man on that.

I mean, something that would take a model, for example, you know, on that and say, oh, look here, I want to know what the hell is a good, and I think check, you know, what is the power group.

And I was in key states, right?

In key states.

And I have a bar in Chicago, one in Cleveland.

I think what you want there, though, is not existing groups.

You don't want economic clubs.

No, every time you want to, like, you want to see the symbol of our groups, just like they do the California Gap thing.

Right.

The Lynx in New York.

Right.

Have somebody have something on the Lynx in New York.

Of course, 50 is 60 people.

Somebody was on Halloween at the Lynx.

Somebody was on some, in Chicago, at the Commercial Club.

Or the Athletics.

Yeah.

And they just come in there and they invited their friends.

Union League of Philadelphia.

The other unit could be Pennsylvania.

But anyway, it's supposed to be Pennsylvania.

And, uh, you agree with this, don't you?

Yeah, I have one in Texas, too.

Well, by all means, by all means.

He was dragging the guys forward.

Right.

Either one.

But he sure did this.

Actually, in Texas, they'll come over, and they all have airplanes.

They do.

You have a state park that would have to be under tow.

It's definitely a tow colony.

And even on a list, which I think would be just great.

See my bike?

I might have a little party this year, and tell them you could take either Eastman, Dallas, Barbara, and so forth.

and had to come back just to do them, do the poverty.

He's invited us to do that.

Just give a little dinner for a few to nine hours.

Two to nine hours, you can find out how to do that.

Right.

We just made a comment about that, a comment that we're going to make available in six key states.

I didn't stop there on the way back from all the book covers from the office.

And we think that this is, and ours are affecting, and we'd like to do Texas with e-hosts together.

And actually we'll see if it's paid for in funds.

So let's go forward with the column then.

You can give him some things.

You'll get some hard points for us.

I think he will.

I'll work with Scallion working on the column.

I don't want to do this.

You're going to have to do it.

You're going to have to do this.

You've got to do this.

You're going to have to do this.

Well, I did, because, you know, Chuck told me, he said something about that Anderson is now really Watson.

So I just jumped on him and said, you know, that's a ridiculous thing to say.

He has to go to Watson.

Anderson story a week about one or the other of us or somebody in the administration, isn't it?

As soon as we start .

You're still having her .

Yes, sir.

No, Ray now says that what he's got aren't suitable for this kind of situation.

He thought they were good before we went to China, and now he doesn't think they are.

He says again, however, if you want to do them, that he can do them up now very quickly.

Well, I do what I thought we, having done it, were going to be ready.

I would like to do it, but maybe, but he gets into trilogy.

Three.

I'd like to do three.

Three good radio talks.

Fair enough.

Say something.

Or are you?

I sure do.

I think I have a good idea.

All right.

Fine.

Three talks on any one.

To do before Russian.

Yeah.

With regard to the two heads that have already worked out in the state, the part that will be used for contributions and so forth, counting and all that are right above me, it's reworking.

They already go on out, which was fine.

I didn't see it in New York.

I was all right, but I think we can expand it on the basis of, you know, that we've got nothing to hide.

We'd like to...

Well, it isn't.

As I said, the president is not campaigning in the primary.

Second, as far as the general election is concerned, we're not soliciting contributions for the primaries.

Why don't we put it that way?

We're not soliciting any contributions for the primaries.

Well, it's a very modest sector.

We've got to be careful with that in the state of Wisconsin.

Well, and even in the other states.

All right, but at least we're not soliciting for the crime, right?

Let's just say that.

They said, what did you spend it up there?

Because that's for the general election.

Let's say it's all related to the general election.

Turn it up because it was on people.

I'm sure I got this meeting to support this one.

Let's show them all.

I couldn't agree more.

thought, would it not be time to, they had an interest, to service in a more vigorous way than having on paper stuff.

And it had been Kennedy, Bundy.

I saw he was trying to throw off, blame everything on Vietnam, on the deputies, and he was pretty about that, far reaching that.

What do you think?

I don't know if we want it now or if we want it maybe some.

We might do it now.

There's a lot later so that we can start.

Because in fighting, in fighting the Muslims got a lot of papers.

I mean, we just ordered the declassification.

Let's declassify the God of everything.

I know you must be thinking the other way.

The thing I understand about my father is that I know that in every, in all campaigns, and we're in the campaign now, everybody thinks of defense and the counter attack.

I mean, I, when I was an adult, I didn't get much of a play.

The AT&T got a little play.

It's a hell of a lot better just sitting there asking you about that.

that drop now that he's tingling out of it.

Now he's tingling.

And then he's going to pick it up and hopefully pick it in the morning.

He's going to call me.

Now wasn't that something that was a favorite of our own to remember?

You know we all remember.

Of course, it wasn't because of China.

It was because of democracy.

But it's not what it is.

It's because it's China.

That's it.

It's just what you told us.

It's more interesting to people than it is to us.

That worked out very nicely.

And the zoo was jubilant, and they were writing a big thing.

I said, oh yeah, there's been stuff on the radio about, what do they say?

I'm just the director of the zoo, and what a great thing this is, and it's going to be marvelous to have them here.

And then they screwed up a big thing, which is going to be fascinating, about the mating business.

And they said, oh yeah, there's no problem about the mating.

The only reason they didn't, they had a pair apparently in the London Zoo that they didn't make.

So they announced that they won't make it in captivity, that's one thing.

He said that wasn't it at all, it was just that the ones in the London Zoo were too old when they were brought together.

And so they're playing off, right, off the whole mating business.

They said they have made it at the Peking Zoo, so they know they'll make it in captivity.

And then that baby's born.

And that, Christ knows if you get that couple here, and they do know how to do it, and you have a baby, and then Christ will have a thing that God will let a baby arise.

Oh, it'll be like that next year.

It'll be like a blue suit.

That's right.

You know, that'll be...

a lot of interest in that that's and that's i hope that will go out because we ought to keep them they've also said that you know but they pulled up your climate and they said we're we're preparing uh we will prepare uh air conditioned quarters you know so that they maintain the proper climate control and all that sort of thing

Which they should, of course.

I mean, hell, when you figure there are only two or four of them outside of Peking, it's a hell of a thing for a zoo.

It'll make the zoo, in Christ's name, the zoo will become more important than the White House for people who come to Washington, every kid, every tourist who comes to town.

Now, how big of a zoo is it?

The big thing we should also get some play off of, and we might as well, is naming them, because they'll have to have names.

And we could figure something out on that.

We might as well try and retain control of that and get our names right.

Maybe we want to name them the Chinese words for peace and friendship or something like that, to pick up some kind of a place off the track.

Well, if you put them anywhere else, it would have hurt more in the places that didn't get them.

We can't argue about them going to the National Zoo because all the other stuff that's gone there is the National Zoo.

But it is amazing how that, that's a big story.

Now that I think of it, um, looking at that place at Camp Hoover, you see a big black chopper, or a boy, that's a very good boy.

Good boy.

Same as Camp Dave.

I was thinking what the heck I could do up there, and rather than spend the night, I should care about it.

I just set it up in advance to sort of prepare it.

And it just goes on and on for a while.

You should go up there and see the place.

You haven't been in there at all yet, have you?

And see it, just stay down and walk around.

You ought to go up before dark so you can walk around and see it.

Take a look at the place, have dinner, and...

Get an idea of what's there, put the facility down, what it looks like.

Kind of like to do it, just to break it up.

Well, then you are, you may find that it could be that you want to do a better number, but you're not going to be able to do this and that.

You've got to write patterns all the time.

You've got to do something different.

And if I have to use it in that way, is to cut out the size.

It's too rough.

Depending on how this document comes out, it's too rough.

Maybe go out and maybe call the person at about 3, 3 p.m. and make the announcement of the Russian thing and also announce it at the polling booth across the bus station.

That would be a few questions.

I figured that would be a good idea.

I can't think of anything.

Uh...

I have a feeling that spreading away a little Dementor Crush is just a little bit of a good idea.

In terms of...

In terms of, uh, not getting into some of the shit that they... Oh, they're gonna, once they get on the TV, they're gonna want to...

They will, I know.

They'll vote for that.

They'll vote for those stories.

But on the other hand, they also have a problem that once having responded to them, you have ways of getting off on the wrong side.

So you'd rather remove some of the poisons of not asking these questions and so forth.

But anyway, I think that's a good question.

You've still got that quote in the paragraph, which I don't care about.

Now, in the early morning staff meeting today, they apparently got into this busting thing.

And Dick Cook made a very strong case, which brings to mind something kind of interesting, though.

Were you going on television for this one?

And his argument is that

It gives you exposure to the public on a major issue of general interest, which you're on the right side, other than the IT&T issue.

I mean, it just completely moves you away from that.

It's a good proposal.

It's one you're going to get a lot of credit for.

He says you're going to get very strong congressional support.

And Erland Schultzbo said there's very good language in

If the price cannot break the television graph, you'd have to boil the bottle even more.

If there's some good language you're trying to use on the television, but if Sapphire admitted it could be in 15 minutes for television, and then Cook points out, which is very kind of interesting, that the best thing that could happen is if the Democrats then ask for equal time, because the Democrats going on to answer you on that would be one of the more interesting exercises of the year.

Frankly, if you did that, you know I would have been told.

I had a problem with price sickness.

It doesn't really believe in it.

Regardless, it's hard there.

But that's the problem.

What are we going to do?

This might be a worthwhile thing, too.

He did that.

Thursday would be the time to do it, right?

Well, they've got to get it out there and get it going.

Today is Tuesday.

This came out this morning.

Well, I kind of like the idea.

But I don't want all that crap to go very low on the stuff about the Negroes and so forth and so on.

That's right.

I had to strike down a price at this conclusion.

And I spoke part of the security in the Senate.

We are proud that we have put more Negroes in government.

We are proud that we have given more to Negro colleges.

So I just said, well, the record of this administration speaks better than it speaks, this record, not our record, speaks to our accomplishments.

We in the administration, why didn't you say we're proud?

You know, you must realize, Bob, that gives you a story, which sometimes, when you go outside and touch money, you bring it on, right?

Absolutely.

Well, we haven't really agreed with the staff on that.

But this is one where, as far as the folks are concerned, you're on the right side.

Well, as far as I know, and I'm going as far as the extremes, but I am not going to be the taxi of basically the darned one-and-a-half liberal school, because I don't believe in it.

I will not believe in it.

We've got our vote on this one.

But I think he is so young, solid, and he is very much so.

It was kind of interesting when he really did.

Richardson was the other way.

We'll lose.

And they were saying, no, we can turn.

We're trying to turn.

We're trying to get some of the civil rights lawyers to resign.

Well, I hope so.

That's right.

And I told him, I said, you don't mean we could be so lucky.

I said, no, they do.

I'll say it.

And he said, what would you say?

I said, I was lucky.

They were lucky.

and people have a chance to decide.

Well, I think the best thing that could happen is if you get to keep the civil rights, you sure don't want everybody to acclaim the damn thing.

There will be some white Jewish libs in the tent without it, too.

Well, they will.

What else do you know?

Now one thing I want to cover is the

I've covered all the cabinet people, all of our staff, across the board, but nobody wants to go.

I don't know who wants to go, but the point is that we've got them all turned off except Simon, who was scheduled to go.

Now, what...

All of the people are, this has started everybody really thinking we're making a serious mistake.

And to a degree we are.

And I think that now we've got control of it.

Back off a little bit because we do have an opportunity to get some mileage out of that.

And we do have at the business council 80 or 90% of them are, well most of them are our damn good friends.

No, there are a few that aren't.

Oh, they're fence riders, fence riders, fence riders.

Okay, but the fence riders are 10 and a half years old.

10 and a half years old.

Okay, but the fence riders are 10 and a half years

Rogers, yes.

Yeah.

Put Rogers in there.

Yeah.

That's a good thing.

Give Rogers something.

When you do that, generally not put out a million Rogers.

Give Rogers some things to do out there.

Let him be the business councilman.

Go ahead.

But God damn, not all the administration's president.

I don't want Congress to have to do it this time.

Exactly.

All I'm saying is we turned it all off.

And that's the case.

That's how we should do it.

Great.

You told us the other way.

Yeah.

We went too far the other way, didn't we?

Sure.

Well, they all get in the airplane and they all park around me.

We sucked around and got knocked out by a tick in the ass.

So now we look at it in terms of only how long it's taking us.

And I like that well enough.

But don't go overboard.

I know you're good at it.

Pete has to deal with these people, and I know he has to.

Let Peterson do it.

Get the hell out of the White House.

The IDT, they proved one thing.

Keep the goddamn things out of the White House as long as we can.

Do you agree?

Yeah.

No fault of the Senate, but they came here, right?

He wants to go to that church.

He's good.

He's great.

All right.

What else?

Anything else?

That's right.

We have to go.

Oh, that's right.

We're going to Chicago.

We're free.

I am.

So am I. I'm wrong, but...

The question about the more basic question, whether we're doing it in the country at all.

Yeah.

We've got approximately as much security value.

Well, I kind of think we should do something.

I think we're at a point where, you know, between now and, we have sort of that, somewhere between now and Russia, they're already coming out.

If you do go to California,

That last week in April is not for sure.

I don't want that kept full in case people think of that.

But if you do go, if there's something out there, well, there's something on the way out.

All right.

So you can make a stock on the way out.

Well, you've got a contract every lap, right?

Yeah.

All right.

And we've worked out several different things on a very limited basis that are kind of maybe new in the country that we make some models out of.

Good.

If we do it...

The approach we had talked about when we were talking about getting it out was to do it on a single subject basis rather than so that it doesn't look like a campaign thing.

A thing that has to do with violence or a thing that has to do with law enforcement or a thing that has to do with a specific code.

So it came up out of this black convention with a kind of interesting thing, which is the blacks.

The overriding issue of concern to the blacks is drugs.

That was the one area where they were all united and all very strong.

Well, we're thinking about, we just kept talking about it on the basis of that.

It's a one way to play the black man because you don't have to go anti-white at all.

which is all drug stuff now is apparently directed to suburbs.

All law enforcement, they kind of let the federalists work in the ghettos.

It's talking about setting up an openly black drug

approach will it get a general who's the sense to run you know our hijackers and going going into a thing where we set up a separate effort against drugs in there and get a central don't put me in a central city oh no on any day basis because i'm on a different subject and you going on because i approve that this will be related to you something to the blacks

So if you do something on drugs, you've got to do it on the positive side of it.

No way for you to do it on the negative side.

Anything also other than environment, you can do it on the negative side.

Environment, I'm willing to do.

I don't know about...

I just don't know whether... Yeah, we've got to get them out.

We've got to show them this stuff and get it current.

But now, that's the first thing you want to do.

Well, that's pretty close.

That's the end of it.

from the end of April.

Now what I mean, what will we do?

What are the things that we do around the first of April?

I think you can see that.

Those are the shows.

That's a long time.

But maybe in the next two weeks time.

I think you might have greater reception in the country.

No question.

I think you would if you'd go and face it.

You'd hear it every time.

And you would.

What you do, you know, any time you do.

I don't think we should overdo the fact of reception.

I'm hungry.

And I don't think it's any harm.

And people, we're not going to do crude things.

We're not going to ride bicycles.

You know what I'm saying?

But I don't think our going to the country will be for a service unit in New Orleans, in Miami, or in Dallas, or any of these.

No.

Now, I think we ought to be out in the next couple of weeks.

Good timing.

Yeah.

Well, say to the state, how about something close?

How about New York, Pennsylvania, or Ohio?

Now, we live in Ohio, but how about New York or Pennsylvania?

here here here

We've got a whole bunch of things in the background.

Let's get them out and say something in the next couple weeks.

I'll do the television.

I can get two televised news conferences between now and Russia, and I think that's about it.

But in the meantime, we ought to get to the country and goddamn it, let's get a little right in the country.

Take these.

Instead of the press people, they get the hell out of the Poisonous Washington atmosphere, too, isn't it, Bob?

Sure.

That's another reason to go out, isn't it?

Of course, yeah.

Thanks to Congress, too.

I can't sit here sort of batting down.

I think I've got lots of events, but...

Relatives.

All right, you want to make a subject.

That helps for the writing, for instance.

I was the right person to give you a strategy of saying, I'm going out to bring attention to this situation, this program, which turns it away from going out to do a base tour about what it's up to to get a political rally at a government expense.

And you go out into the space and honor somebody.

There are, there are things of that sort, aren't there?

Uh, rather than based or there, you know, there are maybe some things that, the 200th anniversary, that wasn't Batmobile or whatever it was down in Birmingham, was it?

Presidents are supposed to do that, right?

That kind of, you know, not as big of a, let's look at some of those too, they're a little easier.

I went round and round.

I need to even raise it with you.

On the official photograph, I mean, the stuff you've got, just, none of them is hot.

I don't care how it is.

You're used to cross.

I'm not concerned about that.

All I can tell you about it, it isn't your style.

I agree.

Do you agree or not?

Yes.

All right.

I think what we ought to do is try to tell them one more time.

Who?

Cullen.

The guy that we did before.

I don't know how I tell you.

You were wrong.

Well, this stuff is a lot closer than all of this stuff.

And we can go over what's wrong with this.

All right.

and complete the technology.

Then let him set up for, you know, and I know it's the right display, but I don't want to regret it.

I don't think it's right, like we're doing with the cars and the photograph.

But I'd like us to come in and set him up and introduce him and the rest of it.

We'll go over with him all the stuff that's wrong first.

But then I think he's got to come in and work with you

We point out all, he's got a shoot for solving all the other problems and get the best picture we can.

All right.

Try it.

And we should have tried it one more time.

We can't look at them and not do it.

We would just give up.

I agree.

Can't use any of these bothers.

They really are, they're not trouble.

I, yeah, background, it's expression.

Different ones in different things, but they're just...

The problem with a single portrait of an individual is that it sits there on a fixed wall, and you see it for so long, it's just like flipping through pictures in an album.

He is something, but he's not a portrait.

and it just hasn't you know again it's just it's too bad and there's professional pride there and all that stuff but how are we going to use something that's for the portrait you should use it out of those portraits everybody else's portrait not the one you don't like it's bad and not that cultured there must be some new man who's a genius is it

How about a Hollywood portrait, man?

Out there, there must be some great ones that take pictures of Hollywood people, Bob.

Really great ones.

Will there be one?

Yeah, will there be one?

Joey Ross, he's better than another guy.

All right, I'll do one first.

I like him.

and they just don't want it.

The one thing to do, if I paint this version on here that I have an absolute thought on, don't ever raise with me the problem of painting.

Or not with sculpture.

I will not have one.

I mean, if they want to sculpture me, they got to do it from a photo frame.

If they want to paint me, they got to paint me from a photo frame.

Is that clear?

Yes.

Can we run the term of the board of the AMA through for a handshake?

Yes.

Political meeting next week here.

I will not drop by.

I will not drop by the AMA this year.

Is that clear?

Sure.

All right.

We've got a thing that Bucks and our farm guys think would be a good idea, which is a meeting with the four outstanding young farmers, who are not kids, these are people up to age 35, that were selected in South Dakota.

So it's just a thing where our, you know, you invite them to shake hands with us today and have them go in.

So four farmers and their wives, both will bring them in, introduce you, take a picture, and we feed it to the farm names.

And Bill Murray is just feeding that he'd be allowed to bring in the directors of Honor America Day to shake hands with you.

And I think we probably better do it every year.

Oh yeah, they do it every year.

That's a good bunch of people and they're meeting in Washington next week.

Now we've dropped the plan for meeting with the Republicans in the Senate and House.

Do you have any interest in a plan for meeting with the Democratic?

supporters, congressmen, and also on the selected list of those who have been with us this long.

Thank you very much.

And the question is, I answered that yesterday.

Can I say something?

Yes.

Okay.

I'm sorry.

Frank was asked to be in front of their office before he said it.

Okay.

Sure he is.

That stuff didn't mean to jump on him.

It's our system in here.

I don't know.

I don't know what you're doing.

Don Jackson is resigning from the ICC and wants to see you before he leaves.

Apparently, she doesn't.

Does he?

Well, it depends on what the hell he wants.

I mean, I'm not going to give him a goddamn name.

Apparently, he doesn't want anything from leaving on a friendly basis and just wants to thank you for serving him.

He said he'd seen the person at the end of the other trip.

Yes, it was a good, good, good visual.

Now, I turned down to try to remind him, I said, that's just right, you know, right now, you know, just say between, I think he put it all on the pieces between the Russian trip and his trip to Indiana.

There's a possibility for out in the country, there may be just the thing to do right now.

On Sunday, April 16th.

Sorry, April 16th.

California, maybe.

Oh, you're here.

Because that's the OAS in Canada and all that jazz.

They're having a dinner in Philadelphia.

and they're given by the Sons of Italy honoring the Cardinal, Cardinal Crow.

There'd be 1,200 there, Mayor Rizzo and Qualtieri, the president of the Sons of Italy.

And it could be the kind of thing like the Knights of Columbus where you, you know, you hit the...

I mean, you've met with all sorts of things, all this Crow going to be frowning and everything, you know, Rizzo maybe.

First, the Supreme Venerable has invited you to attend an address at Enron in Cardinal Crow.

Can I do what they're having?

The Supreme Council's having sessions.

This is a national thing.

April 16th and 17th.

Is there any way I can go without making Volpe up with me on the plane and that sort of thing?

Yeah, I think we can work that out.

I hope you can't do it without Volpe being there.

Volpe can be there, but what I'd like to do is not to go, I'm not going to go through the crap of being there in advance.

Well, I guess you're right.

Sitting through the dinner, I cannot do it.

No, no.

Like a rapid type of program.

Fair enough.

Yeah.

Or is that fair enough?

Oh, sure it is.

Absolutely.

That's what you should do.

Okay, I'll do it.

But it might be pretty good then.

Yeah, yeah.

That I make a speech about him for a reason.

Make a brief one, though.

I don't know.

I can read that if you understand.

Sure.

At least I don't care at all about that.

I'm just telling you right now.

So I'll get that pretty soon.

Right.

I'm walking.

I'm right about you.

Not too bad, sir.

They were coming and going every yesterday.

They're done.

They did what they did.

And it came out damn well.

It was a pretty good move.

Now they're back.

And we're still holding the Southern Baptists.

If you turn down and down, the Southern Baptists is not something you would have thought of before.

I want you to make your call every day.

Right.

Yeah.

And he said the same thing.

The other event is in the wrong place.

But we should vote for other events.

Right.

OK.

I've barely raised that point.

Thanks.

That's better for you.

You realize you're not going to get any particular public reaction.

I'll be able to tell you some shit.

But you'll get a good reception there, just so you know.

Well, we don't want to parade through the city.

I don't think we want to.

As long as the Sunday City can.

All right.

They got the mission out.

They really, really, they really snagged that.

It was 42,000 folks who got on that.

Yeah.

Not one ever mentioned, not one ever mentioned the fact that they were wrecked, right?

They were wrecked.

On that night, they were wrecked.

They were wrecked.

And we're still holding the Southern Baptist if you turn down the banner.

The Southern Baptist is not something you go to Philadelphia for.

I want you to make your call every day.

And he said the same thing.

The other event is in the wrong place, but we should look for other events.

Okay.

I've barely raised that point in time.

That's good.

You realize you're not going to get into a particular public reaction.

I'll be all the time.

You'll get a good reception there just for you.

We don't want to praise you.

All right.

They really sank that.

It was 42,000 folks down there.

Yeah.

Not one ever mentioned, not one ever mentioned the fact that they're wrecked, right?

They're wrecked.

On that night, they're wrecked.

They're wrecked.

Thank you very much.

I think, I think the law school is surprised by people like you.

I'm just saying, the law school, because you're better known, that's why you get the 10.

That's true, that's true.

That's

Well, it would be very helpful to us if we could run through some of the issues and look at it through your head.

But, you know, this is one of the best things I've ever seen.

I think it's fine.

You don't can't write it up.

You can't possibly get it because otherwise I'm gonna have to stand up and go back to this.

And what time do I go to the garage at this time?

8.30 from now.

You've got 10 minutes till 9.

And so I work at 10 o'clock and send it back.

You see, I can't work that early.

I've done it, but my fight is on the TV thing.

You get a sapphire.

I guess you're the only one that has the capability to blow something down.

and hydrolysis.

And I think he knows what...

I'm thinking of 50, 100 words.

I think it should be 12 minutes, 10 minutes.

You agree?

So now or tomorrow, it will be this, this, this, this, this.

And you can think about all of this, about the extra-racial experiences are, the kids and all that stuff, and you don't mind.

We might have a lot of time to wrap it up.

The following day

The following day that I briefed, in other words, that the television led us to get across our point first.

And the following day, I agreed with the legislation and so forth and so on.

Why is it the Congress pissed off all day long about that?

I mean, it makes a great deal of sense.

I mean, Thursday night's a very good night.

But actually, that's how I came to get the words on the Friday week.

And he told me that he didn't have to drive back to Maine.

Give him a third draft.

And give him a third draft and say, tell no lie.

But get us 1,500 well-chosen words.

All right.

I'll hold you up.

Right on.

And I think the draft is good.

I like the plan.

But I'm just thinking, I think Coach had a very good point.

Why not get the subject?

And why not have the Democrats ask for equal time?

Do you like that idea?

Sure.

Do you want to deal with it?

Go ahead, Mary.

Can I ask, what in the hell did Christ really want when he talks about the reciprocal rights that we don't have any already?

And we've got enough rights in death.

We've got a lot of rights, and that's one thing.

I've got this center of God.

What have you got worked out with regard to Miller and Kalashnikov?

I want to work out that they're not to sit down.

Is that clear?

There's not to be a press picture, just to be an online picture.

I've got to get, somebody's got to be here to get Miller out of here.

You've got to get a hold of who's online.

That can't be there.

It's got to be a public.

I don't know.

But that's what I believe God is going to be here to get me out of this office.

I cannot have it in here before it's up there with this guy.

The rights question comes up, the grades and the rights question comes up because the statute is drafted in a type of balance between semi-parentalism and narrowing, and then trying to grade these rights for equal educational opportunity.

So the real question becomes, to what extent, as we list these equal educational opportunity rights, are we going to make them apply to every single student in the country?

And it doesn't have the source code to answer.

We are, in a sense, codifying current law on the one hand, but at the same time, we're going a little further and saying that you can have that right today in Tulsa, Oklahoma, or James, Arizona, even though it may be the fact that it's not a jury case.

Now, we don't include our segregation remedies as such.

It's up to the court, and the court can keep going right as they are today.

So the real choice becomes taking those out, taking away some of that balance,

or leaving them in it and saying, you see, we aren't all bad guys.

We're going this much further.

That's the point of the argument.

Now, this is basically right, but actually Mitchell was struck down on this, and Bork was struck down on this, our conservative law professor.

Well, their argument is that it makes this whole thing more palatable

From a constitutional standpoint.

Put it in.

It supports your moratorium.

Put it in.

Screw it up.

Well, it gets screwed up, but still.

If you put it in, and then start putting it on the page, it doesn't look like it needs to be screwed.

Put it in.

Now, the majority of minority transfer, you have a question mark by it in the last draft, and that's just the business of minority transfer.

This is a situation where a kid in the black majority in a school would pick up and go to a school where he would be in the minority, suddenly due to the availability of space and facilities.

Oh, heck, I thought you left out on this meeting.

It's good to quit.

I'm sorry.

Yeah.

It's good to watch it a second.

Get off it.

You've got to get off it and get your plan.

Yeah.

Fine.

Well, we've got more time.

I'm sorry.

I'm sure you know I'm very excited today because I'm very excited to be sure that we're going to be running about five minutes away and then getting out of here.

You can do that.

Thank you.

I think my question is whether those children may have to be barred or whether those children know that they're not in business, that that's bad.

The real problem, I think, the real argument is absolutely barring transportation of elementary children who will be made young.

world world world world world world world world world world world world world world world world world world

If it's taken to be a can, then I could really lose something.

I would be for leaving a little escape hatch down in this thing.

And I would say that I would put a phrase in the legislation in regards to sixth grade and below, so that it would be in there.

It would be absolute.

It would be, in a sense, a ban with an exception.

I don't have any illusions about the fact that now,

I don't understand.

We haven't tried that.

And, uh, by the way, I think it says, I am much more than either of you who have been through an extolled martyrdom.

I am much more pessimistic about any chance to get a favorite reaction from God and the world around us than this.

Well, why don't you, if we could come out for the Virgin's birth, and, uh, and then she'll say that, uh, that somebody slipped in there and we didn't know it.

Ha ha ha!

I think that's the illusion of the corporate rights environment, the rights are in, because they've always got to say, am I important?

But this is just saying true.

Okay, sure.

Well, the list is still at your school's top.

Yeah, you feel it.

You feel it.

You feel how perfect it is.

It's a pure art.

It's a figure.

Absolute humility is involved in this.

But let me put it this way.

Here's the message strong enough.

Without making an absolute ban on my 6th grade below, how much did my 6th grade below have?

Well, I can't answer all your questions yet, but we're going to have to go to the law court, because that's where the parents of both of us are.

All right, fine.

Then, does one have to escape at 5 o'clock in the evening?

What we have now, sir, is you can't bus more than the time, distance, or number of children.

Yeah.

The elementary below, over what you did last year.

That's right.

Now, that means the method's too hard to bust anybody, and that's what all those kids gonna bust.

No, you said that, but... No, but that... That... Oh.

Oh, you mean, uh...

But you're trying to...

In other words, rather than saying, no, but... Of course, I think you can't go any more than that.

You're perfectly satisfied with that.

I think that we go and say, look, we can't turn the clock back and tell you to settle your goddamn buses.

No, we don't do that.

No, I'm not for that.

But I'm simply saying, in the future, I don't want anything to bust into each other's heads.

Does that satisfy you?

Does that satisfy you, or is there a difference?

Yes, that's the point.

Now, that doesn't lend any points to our liberal friends at all.

They think that's pretty bad.

But you know, you need to vote on the Constitution.

Put it in.

And the way that Sapphire would write that,

I'll you know I'll I'll I'll I'll I'll I'll I'll I'll I'll

I know the problem, I know the problem.

I'm just saying, I sympathize with them.

They still have what they talk to, coal, mining, and all the rest.

And they still have the idea, which is true to those of these guys.

And they still have the idea.

You see, I don't agree with that.

I don't agree with that.

I think all the religious experiences are fine.

And believe me, let's be honest, I've read it.

I haven't talked about it in my entire life, but I'll do it.

If I believe it's good on the basis that they are about to take place now, I do not agree.

I think that's the word of a nice governor in Virginia.

When he goes and says it's pretty great for my kids to go to schools that are 90% black, I think he's lying in his teeth.

You bring it up.

Yes, sir.

Are you?

Let him hold and call me.

And he said, listen, I want to know what you guys are going to do on the bus.

And he says, I've got to get off this wagon.

I said, how are you going to do it?

Does he think he's too far over?

That's good.

Well, what if he's gone too far?

When he got out of that governor's thing and went through that business about what a one foot phrase was to take his children to school, I thought, for the win, he's an awful nice guy.

But goddammit, he don't do that.

Let me tell you.

I, uh, myself, as you fellows know, I have less faith in ungrateful things, Jewish things than anybody else, but God damn I know who those who are opponents are.

And I know what people are like.

And there is anti-Semitism.

And there is anti-black violence.

And black children are not equal with white children.

And black teachers are not as good as white teachers.

My dad happens to be the truth.

So why the hell do you fight against the truth?

Isn't that the problem?

You can't tell them that.

That's the problem.

I told you in my email, he points out that, and who I put in the letter, that the people with the highest values are the Asians, the Japanese, the Italians.

The people with the lowest are the blacks.

He also points out that British, that hierarchy, was by a half a second than the Irish.

You don't tell them about it.

You can't tell an Irish he's got to be inferior.

And then they say, what about Edmund Burke?

I understand all that.

But the point is, Ed understood it doesn't mean that we write in the law a lot of absolute crap.

That is, that's why I thought, why I changed on him.

I'm sure Ray didn't like it, where he racially qualified his goal.

Regular equality is something that is a statement of the imagination.

There is no equality with liberals.

Is equality a goal?

Is it a good thing?

Of course it isn't.

I mean, that guy is the French Revolution.

They forget.

What?

I don't mean to literally follow up with your nice son-in-law ideas, but let me pull you over.

You see, I feel on a personal level, much harder to get into places because they look like there's a mass problem there.

Not like Len.

Len does his best.

But these professional liberals shot that big in the I.A.S.

On the other hand, I doubt if we are going to really put ourselves in a position, John, where we say things that are not true.

I mean, if that's the problem here, you know, you can use it.

But if I overstate it, if I use it about it,

I'm all the same because I'm here.

If I'm wrong, I don't know, because I haven't delivered this one.

The tiger and the giraffe.

They're the only teachings I've made for all of them.

They're the semantics.

But they had hell to do with such things.

You have to know all about it.

Don't talk nonsense.

Let me give you an example.

I know this is about the road to Latin America.

I'm sorry.

But the conclusion of that talk...

I am proud that we haven't done this.

I am proud that we have more integration.

I am proud that we did more for black schools.

I am proud that we have more black schools.

I am proud that every one of us is a dancer.

They can stay with their heart.

Don't say it that way.

But you say the same thing in a different way.

Our record speaks better than it speaks more than our record.

We have done this.

We have done that.

Don't you prefer to go out there gently?

Do you like that there's a sign in the crowd there?

And then another thing is a small matter, referring to Brown versus Florida Education.

He has a strong right to decision.

What the hell is this story?

And then going on to say, the crowd achievements of the last time.

Hell, they aren't crowd achievements.

They're achievements.

You agree or not?

Because they don't make a bell on the other side of the television.

I don't think they will.

Black schools are not necessarily inferior schools.

But it is fine.

I have no problem with that.

I didn't realize that.

Yeah.

We could possibly draft any kind of a skateboard on this cereal.

And on the other side, very candidly, he's got smarter lawyers than we do.

In terms of what we've got to put out there in the Justice Department, they're going to find a screwy case to take out, a lot too below Mississippi, when they still happen to be driving across by a white and a black school, replacing whites in there.

Do we want to gamble that we'll get the worst possible case to go up to the Supreme Court where we could look, you know, more into that, or try and get some way to get that, and we haven't had a perfectly honest test, that wouldn't allow a lot of cities to apply, in the last few people, apply for exemptions to the moratorium to pursue work where they could do more desegregation if less possible.

That's the kind of problem.

And we, you know, do we want to take a shot at that or go with the hard moratorium?

In other words, work is a hard part of life.

Work is also, they all say, we think there's a constitutional argument that is arguable and relatively sound for the moratorium only.

We'll grant you that if you leave a little police officer for something of that nature, it doesn't answer to the constitutionality.

It's a question that we've got four in 10, six in 10, seven in 10, but the Supreme Court's trying to get us to put it in different terms.

There's a moratorium directed at busing.

And there's a moratorium directed at desegregation as to which busing is an aspect.

If you don't increase the bucket, you can go ahead and desegregate.

That is the problem.

Knowing your heart hurts is the dang few cases that come.

That is the problem.

Because if you could say it in a way that will be a mark where I want to know, and know increased trust, if that's the product, if you could say that, I'm not concerned with winning that framework.

There will continue to be, if so, can you say, no increased buses?

Not only could there be no increased buses, but I can write up an awful lot of cases very quickly that are going to put a hell of a lot of new kids on different buses to different schools.

And that's what people want, without injury.

Without injuries.

I'm still dealing with thousands of buses and only 10,000 cars.

I know.

Because there will be you think you can achieve some additional elimination to do so like it says There will be no Bonds

that without that in any case involving deteriorating segregation, I don't say it on a middle school system, I guess in the de facto election, deteriorating segregation, that the goal may be achieved without any initial fussing.

Well, we can measure it several ways.

Let me put it this way.

It's what can tell people things that's going to happen to them and not what happens to them.

Isn't that basically where we ended up last time?

If you can write something that way, is that what you both want?

I feel more comfortable with it because I hate to see us make you vulnerable to the charge that you were asking for years for you to have desegregation.

That's right.

All right.

I'm asking for years for you to have more buses.

More buses.

That's it.

But not on, frankly, more kids on buses to have desegregation.

Is that what you're trying to say?

My point is...

My point is that we're going to let the conference talk about it.

Sure, they may.

They well may.

Now, there's a chance, and I'm still working on the burger on this, but there's a chance that we can slip this moratorium right into that conference up there.

that's got those three house instructive members and see if we could get them to go for this uh

Don't wait for this language.

Let him get the goddamn thing ready now.

Oh, sure.

Done 1,500.

It's starting to burn now.

So 1,500 birds.

And, uh, goodbye.

No, I think Thursday.

Thursday is not, yes sir.

Now some of the, some of the, well some of them will be out on Friday.

So we should brief key senators and before the speech, Congress before the speech.

Then I don't have to be there.

Oh, no.

I don't need to be there.

There's like four of us.

You don't mind.

You brief them before this is here, but, uh, uh, all right.

Then, then you brief the press the following day.

Right.

When you send a message.

You send a, we've got this kind of message.

Yes, sir.

Yeah.

All right.

Well, Jerry, that's a problem.

I've given in on everything.

So, you've got an issue.

You've got a harder option.

If I'd like one, there's one.

The one thing that you put all of us in, I thought it was a joke.

I told all of them about this.

I don't think it will happen.

I wish it would happen.

I'm sure they'll consider this the darkest hour.

They must say, be sure this doesn't work right in the field.

They've done that for three and a half years.

I want a list of every lawyer in the government.

I quote you this, John.

Every lawyer in the government on the schedule C, everyone.

Everyone is going to be fired.

Every son of a bitch in one, friend, enemy, or everything the day after the election.

Where are we?

Yes, sir.

Everyone.

what do you think?

I can't think of what I want to say.

I have a pipeline case.

They've got a couple of real hamburgers representing the government in the pipeline case.

So I called them and said, listen, let's get outside the council.

We've got to use these little

Well the question

The $1.5 billion is the only really new money that we've got besides current Title I.

The chance to run that conference walks away from us.

We don't have it in the money part of this program.

The $1.5 that we need, that's our only question.

So we don't have to ask more money?

No.

Here's where we do that.

That 1.5 was to aid those districts that were being forced to desegregate and move from below the unitary school system.

So we're going to have two standards for the distribution of this money.

Those districts that still need it after two years, most of them are taken care of.

But those that are desegregating and still need it can come in and apply just as we've proposed.

But then the money that's not used that way, plus the Title I money, will go into these poor districts where these kids are impacted and are not going to be bused.

Now, that should save us with the Congress, because we're not abandoning our principles.

We're just saying, two years later, the situation's changed.

We've got a more pressing need for this money.

And so, fine, we'll help desegregate the district.

If Congress screws it up, we'll blame the Congress.

We're in the right position.

We've asked for more treasuries.

And the moment we get past this message,

There ain't going to be any soft moratoriums, purgatives, moratoriums.

Now, the other thing that I, I don't know whether, I don't know whether you felt it or not, but in the draft, John, is there any reason why we can't use the word moratorium?

No.

Well, it was studiously avoided in all drafts.

It said they had to get it correct.

That's what we've been talking about.

That's what I understand.

But you don't need to call us a soft moratorium.

This is not a soft moratorium.

But there's a soft version of a moratorium, which we haven't even advanced to you.

And that says that it works with distance and with time.

We got that out.

And this is the hard part.

We've got to have a little something on here to keep it.

Well, we've got to make some of our own people.

I don't argue with any of the other side.

I know people that are slaves and this and that.

Our decent liberals and our staff can sign.

These are called the crumbs.

Well, actually, there's nothing more.

There's nothing more to say.

We've got to do this.

The recitation of what it is, it creates causes of action for equal educational opportunity.

The bilingual and the uniform distribution of money throughout the school district, well, that's existing law.

And they all claim to do that anyway.

The majority of the minority of counselors is the one that I'm on.

Uh, I don't know, what, what, why do we have to put that in there?

Well, I, well, Mark likes to take the whole thing in section L. Yeah, well, let's just focus on majority minority.

The whole section, what about the whole section, the whole down section, the whole down section?

Yeah, but, but, let's focus on majority minority now.

Why does that need to be in there?

It doesn't.

It doesn't exist in law.

I don't believe that majority minority transfer is sensitive particularly.

I think it's too goddamn confusing.

What is it?

Because we have equal choice as I never was.

The whole list.

of balance that you can take individually and take any one of them out.

And as I'm saying, I don't think that's the whole damn thing.

I don't agree.

We've got school construction out.

Because we would have had lawsuits all over the country, by the way.

It was in my life that no of those schools cannot be built.

Is that what you meant?

Oh, that's out.

That's out.

All right.

Go ahead.

I'm quite sure that that's out.

Now, that was minority to minority.

The majority to minority cancer to me was confusing.

and too difficult to explain, and I can go out and do that.

Let that develop, let the regent or somebody develop that, and the curators would just say, it's too confusing for us to throw it in there, and everybody would say, now what the hell is this?

The majority of it would already transfer and it would still work.

I just don't like him carrying $300 with him and all that.

That doesn't sound good at all.

Does that matter?

Call a separate resignation on here to take that out?

No such luck as you said, sir.

I don't know.

No such luck as you said, sir.

I don't know.

That's code word.

I think we're just better off.

I just like all of our white, Jewish parents.

You know, that's where it's a funny thing.

It's a funny thing that Paisley used to argue with his liberal friends, you know, the ones who raised him over the place, you know.

Oh, and there's a forest, you know, over there on the other side of the forest floor against that thing down there.

Now, he sticks on the back and he hasn't done so much.

That's not great about him right now.

I had a visit yesterday from our three black appointees, Jackson, Simmons, and Brown.

They did a fairly good job of neutralizing some of the Democratic effort in there.

There was a very active...

opposition effort.

But they did say on the bus stand that that resolution was very bad, which offered by Roy Ennis.

And he offered it at a time when there was almost nobody on the floor.

He got it through.

And so then they saw the opposition skirted around and they offered a pro-bus stand, which also passed.

So they said, don't set too much store.

Those guys have got to be worried because they're established with blacks.

And God bless them.

I want all of their kids to go to white schools because they can go up.

But I also don't know whether, incidentally, I don't know.

I'm sorry.

I have very strong feelings about this one.

The, uh...

That's what I call a lost generation.

Don't you agree with that?

Yes sir.

Now let's face it, let's face it.

How many blacks, how many blacks in Harvard and Watts and South Chicago are gonna develop a bus?

A whole generation's gonna get lost, right?

I rewrote that in great superiority.

Am I overstating it?

Am I right?

I don't agree.

You're thinking wrong.

All you have to do is remake the T. You don't have to put a marquee.

No, no, no.

You said it was right.

I said it was right.

He's losing involvement.

As I look down the line, the kids aren't there.

They're getting bussed across town and they drop out of school.

And where are my good kids then?

They can't run across town and drop out of school.

Isn't that it?

They're separated.

But they're out of their neighborhood.

They're in a cultural center.

And he's pretty into getting black.

He's saying, well, my university's in trouble.

But they're trying to do the decent thing.

That's the main thing.

And we want to catch her up.

Yeah, you'll catch out from the Washington Post.

They'll say, they really didn't create any new rights.

They really didn't get any new money.

All they did was recycle the old money.

And at the same time, they went hardline on the buses.

And it was a very, like, a drunk, skillful, cynical maneuver.

Okay.

That's the question there at my time.

Yeah.

All right.

Anybody want to say anything about it?

Sure.

I'll do that.

Well, they're on the constitutional amendment down there, but as I say, one of the things we've got to do now is Morgan and I and others have got to get out in the regions and back around the hell out of this with the editorial boards.

Yeah.

But let's bracket around it where it helps.

And that's another way.

Go to Michigan.

Yes, they also got a chance.

Yes, sir.

We got, we got 10 strikes.

According to our, according to everybody, he was amazing.

He had some bold thing before they got him.

41, 41.

I said, who got that pocket?

Yeah, the black caucus in a voter booth in P.G., which I'm kicking up to 5,000.

uh... uh...

It's a very big issue in some parts of Ohio.

I think that it's a very big problem.

Alright, how about it?

How's it going on?

Oh, yeah, well, you know, there's a thing we should set up over such control.

Yeah, we don't really have time to do anything.

We're locked up in Chicago.

Yeah, we stay here.

That's true.

That is a great concept.

No, sir.

Don't really say that.

Yeah.

We're down on that draft number one.

Number one.

That's right.

It didn't survive.

Wow.

But we've got to get out of here.

It seems like we've got to get rid of the center.

We've got about ten more minutes.

We've got to get rid of it.

Let's get over here as soon as I get ready to get out.

I want to get Sapphire to work just getting drafts for, you know, I heard Ray's working on that, on the handout for history.

And Sapphire's going to work for folks, right?

So I could do it, but I shouldn't.

I mean, I've got to get a draft of him first.

I don't think what I'm saying is so important.

It's how it's said and how simple it is.

The presidential message, you agree with it?

And the fact that you're up there saying it should be lifted right out of the bowl, and while we know we all, remember we discussed this earlier.

That's right.

We all agreed we should not.

That's right.

Why do we agree with it?

Well, I thought we were going to, I think times were different for one thing.

We were all caught up in the primary and all that, and I think that's now as far as I'm concerned.

Uh, the other thing is that this, with this ICP thing kicking along, you need something else to be talking about.

And, uh, so it's very appealing to me from that standpoint.

Well, I understand.

So you're out there talking on a domestic issue.

Right.

And it's, uh, you want to start a response in court.

Right.

All of that.

I think so.

Uh, but I think it is.

Oh, we know right where it's coming from.

I think where we can make hay for this is in Tennessee, Kentucky.

I was there in anticipation.

And I did both editorial boards, I did the two television stations, and then I did a luncheon.

And so we spent the hell out of Dallas on busing for a couple of days.

Now, we didn't do Houston, and that's an entirely different part of the world.

This is about the third black county with a black generation.

Well, do Houston, do San Antonio, do San Antonio, what about the Mexicans?

Do the valley, the California, get up and down.

Yeah, something in the valley.

Pasadena.

Some are orange, kind of California.

They're all white there, but they don't want to, you know, they're just four-year-old kind of principal.

We've got another place in Nevada where we've got something at the key state.

Ohio, be sure you get to go to Ohio.

Denver, be sure you get to go to Ohio.

Denver is very popular.

It's very popular in Indiana.

Indiana should be done if there's any interest in it.

Oh, I thought we could do that.

Indianapolis is one of the hottest states in the United States.

What are you saying?

Let me tell you the states.

Of course, Tennessee is important.

In terms of the politics, they'll get the words.

Tennessee, Kentucky, and Virginia.

We don't carry Tennessee, Kentucky, and Virginia.

We only get about three states in the country.

Even quite a few states that we don't bust it now or not.

So I would only do those with second-line people.

Indiana, Ohio, California, Texas, Illinois.

Anybody care about Wisconsin?

Well, I don't think we've had much.

There it is.

Those are the one-shots, okay.

So put the big tires and the big guns in the states where it could make it there.

Not in New York.

Nobody cares in New York.

it's not much of an issue in new york because they outlawed blessing about four years ago the tennessee will be for them to push new big guns into tennessee kentucky

Let our local guys handle us there.

Let visitors and all the rest handle us there.

But you guys go ahead to the other states, to Illinois and the rest.

Now, can we get any liberal Republicans like Percy to support this main thing?

Now, take it Percy.

See, he's pro-bussing.

He's pro-bussing opposite Pusitsky, who's anti-bussing.

Pusitsky is murdering for this.

Percy could have it all erased.

Oh, I'll say.

I'll say.

What's happening is that the conservative Republicans are moving over.

They're moving away from it.

It's like I said, if I had Percy Grace in China, he'd be sending his wife to China next month.

She won't be.

She'll come with a Chicago Harvard plug.

I don't know.

It's been announced, so I don't have the time.

Well, anyway, we're gonna meet later today with Colson and McGregor and set up the PR plan for this thing for the next couple of weeks.

The thing to do is you have editorial board.

Yeah, of course.

But the main thing is to hit the media.

It's going to hit folks.

The more you do, the taller you get.

I don't want to put you off.

Well, like in Dallas, there's a great show.

Yeah, it was an hour.

Where you sit there and ask me questions and you can develop good answers, full answers.

And you have to look at those shows, but Klein's office knows where most of it is.

Now, regarding the fact that it's going to be a problem, we should say nothing about that at this point.

Right.

Absolutely.

I think we can determine that.

Thursday morning.

We've got as late as we can because we've got to set up the day.

It has to get a little off the scale, right?

Yeah.

You can read the day.

Yeah, I would set up two, three, ten minutes.

Oh, yeah.

No more than that.

Yeah, great.

Bye.

And you would brief the congressmen before in order to get some good answers for them, good support for them.

Well, besides they'd be out of town, right?

So then the next day at 10 o'clock, you'd have a briefing in the East Room, right?

So I'm aware, but sometimes I'd better brief in the East Room and say you're going to brief in the East Room for all the press and the legislation and all that.

The details of the message and so forth and so forth.

You would not put the message out that night.

You would put it out on and off.

The message is sent to the Congress the following day.

And then, you see, you can read the press before the message goes up.

So the message is probably going to read the press tomorrow.

I don't know.

That's good.

I'm all for it.

We do have at least a few kernels for your array of land.

it isn't it isn't the garments and the prices as much as the ridges and the shows

well george tends to be more middle of the road and uh so this kind of process of bringing them along with us

Schultz will fight that, you know, very hard.

I don't think it's going to make the difference anyway.

He's got a mental interview, incidentally, on this 20% social security thing, again making a point that you shouldn't give on it.

And we're still waiting to hear from Colin, so that's still up in the air.

But your point, as I understood it, was to say, did we write the letter to Senator Bennigan?

No, he asked to have a visit instead.

So the boys have gone out to sea instead of Michigan today instead of writing the letter.

And so they look through that visit thing and they will ask him then to release the committee print.

And we'll know later today how that got done.

Well, on the search of security, do you have any other views on it?

No, I think we're positioned right where we should be to screw up the whole detail.

On the search of security, that's right.

How can they be screwed up?

Are they going to hang on to something?

Well, sure, that's it.

They'll split it off then.

and then brought back something else that they're right to do, they'll send it to you by itself.

But if they do that, then that has the effect of just dead-ending the arrest.

What I'm getting back at you is the key crisis.

When they come in, what position does this lead for?

I mean, are they just going to walk the case out there and fight for what you've decided?