Nixon, Assar & Mosbacher on CENTO and Foreign Policy

2:55:12and say, look, there's been Social Security benefits of 51% in the last three years, and Social Security recipients have had more benefits in this administration than in the total of the last three, and here's my last question, how do you work these things out?
2:55:30I'm sure people are talking about it, but let's see what they're talking about.
2:55:35Lots of ways to talk about it.
2:55:37I think if we can put it in our cluster, that would be great.
2:55:39We can't do it.
2:55:40All we know, we're for it.
2:55:425% jealous, why wouldn't we do it?
2:55:44Yeah.
2:55:45He's got, he's got fun stuff.
2:55:47That's, that's what it is.
2:55:48You're, you come around and you're supporting folks.
2:55:51Yeah.
2:55:51Well, that's where I've been right now.
2:55:54Is, uh, is, I'm in a critical position.
2:55:57Well, why the hell is, uh, but I, I have to, I have to get, I have an officer in here to make his case.
2:56:02And, uh, that's why we're in this, we're in this against the president's position.
2:56:08I don't know.
2:56:10He said he disagreed with it.
2:56:13I didn't know one way or the other.
2:56:17I do always get a lot of sound around.
2:56:19I think that they disagreed with it.
2:56:23It's tough.
2:56:24It's tough.
2:56:25He probably can't win.
2:56:28He may get rolled.
2:56:29He may have to be turned around.
2:56:32And he might get rolled underneath him.
2:56:36uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh...
2:57:07But I think what he's going to come in and say to you is that this amounts to higher taxes.
2:57:10The way the fight is, is no higher taxes.
2:57:20Well, but we're going to, we're going to have to, yes, you know, I've got to go see about some other things.
2:57:55Well, you've got to go all the way.
2:58:20Yeah, but the key thing is I've got to have somebody strong in the role with Miller who is going to be built into this.
2:58:33You know, you've got to get him the hell out of here.
2:58:38You know that's our solution.
2:58:41No.
2:58:46Thank you.
2:59:16Okay.
2:59:51Thank you.
3:00:08Thank you for watching.
3:00:23Hi, how are you?
3:00:24Nice to see you out here.
3:00:27I just want to do a couple of words about the Spanish job.
3:00:34I don't know if you've heard of it this morning.
3:00:40No, not that I haven't talked about it today.
3:00:42I know that we've talked about it before.
3:00:44I know a lot of things about it.
3:00:47what you didn't know, what they didn't know, because I discussed it with you.
3:00:51We have a conscious interest over there, and I thought it would result in sale, but I suppose it's in this, you have to work together that way.
3:01:00Well, I think the problem is it's a small family company.
3:01:06It's not a big thing, but it's not a big thing.
3:01:13It's not a big thing.
3:01:34Yes, but it's not like you.
3:01:35It's an L.A.
3:01:35I don't know what you do.
3:01:36I'm just curious.
3:01:45Well, I don't know if this would be close enough or not.
3:01:48We don't have any entrance in which .
3:01:52But the entrance that we do have is .
3:02:08Do you want to consider it?
3:02:09Well, I'd be glad to consider it.
3:02:12One of my problems is, as I mentioned before, it kind of goes back to the term of fever.
3:02:17I think you should stay here.
3:02:20Well, if you can't, I'm sorry.
3:02:22I don't have anything to say to you.
3:02:24How did you do this?
3:02:25Stay here now.
3:02:26And we'll just have to find somebody else for this matter.
3:02:30I'm sorry.
3:02:32I'm not intelligent enough to ask you guys to say anything to me.
3:02:37They're kids, you know, sons and sisters.
3:02:40They have a voice.
3:02:47Yeah, sure.
3:02:49Yeah.
3:02:49Yeah, that's right.
3:03:04Thank you.
3:04:17All right.
3:04:43Thank you so much.
3:04:52Thank you.
3:05:04Oh, my English.
3:05:07I need to be a much more fluent English professor.
3:05:12I'd love myself to become a teacher, sir.
3:05:17I can say that I hold admiration for your statesmanship, but now this admiration is sort of converted to disbelief.
3:05:29President, what do you achieve?
3:05:35I should say giant strife.
3:05:43what is going to be the shape of our world, beyond that.
3:05:50And all your friends and others, they guide them, they tell us the importance of what it is.
3:06:02So, you are never getting anything except the bareness of the world,
3:06:11I feel that there is just a need for such a movement, something to develop.
3:06:29As I know, there is something hanging that nobody can not grasp.
3:06:36One man go and grasp it.
3:06:38That's what you achieve, isn't it?
3:06:40We are very, very, very happy.
3:06:44We'd like to know more from you.
3:06:49There you go.
3:06:51I'm already confused.
3:06:55So, if you allow me to go after your eyes again, to grow the views of your present situation, political situation, what about the future, what point of our organization is this?
3:07:13The world has changed, as you know, Secretary General, since Central was set up.
3:07:19But as far as the, as our attitudes, I mean, regarding the United States and my personal attitudes toward the members of the Senate of the Democratic Organization, that is not changed.
3:07:35I think one of the problems with the China trip, and the one that will be taken to the Soviet Union, will be that some of our friends, like the Shia, like the Church, support their friends, and others will wonder, well, what does this mean?
3:07:52There are people around talking to all of their enemies and not paying any attention to their friends.
3:07:55It's not true.
3:07:56The purpose of this is to
3:07:59instrument the world's stateroom for everybody.
3:08:01I think we will be better by influencing the course of events through discussion rather than standing there in a rigid room with a confrontation and isolation.
3:08:14But looking at Central, in the name of the community organizations, what really makes it possible to have meaningful progress in discussions about children?
3:08:31what makes it possible.
3:08:35and it was the center of any progress in the progress history.
3:08:40But in the non-conference nations, there must be a sense of unity, a purposefulness, a strength, recognizing, of course, that we can't have a central form of the organization.
3:08:58But the very fact that he's there in all the ways, and so forth,
3:09:06I think it's a good balance.
3:09:09It's a good balance to our friends.
3:09:14They're happy.
3:09:21We look after them.
3:09:22They're happy.
3:09:24All alliances are obsolete.
3:09:29All should go.
3:09:30Nailers should be disbanded.
3:09:31Senators should be disbanded, etc.
3:09:33etc.
3:09:35That's what they say, and I want to find out if they want that.
3:09:39Should we do that?
3:09:40The answer is no.
3:09:42Now, you'll have some difficult problems in San Joaquin.
3:09:46The tragedy in Pakistan.
3:09:48which, you know, we tried our best to release, to run out, to revert.
3:09:56But, thank God,
3:09:59West Pakistan survives.
3:10:00I think, for example, one of the most important things in the service of the Central Community right here is to have Ulu and the New Pakistan Government feel that they have friends in Central and the United States.
3:10:20On the other hand, they know that they have an enemy in India in the south, and they know that the Soviet Union supported India in the Scottish crisis.
3:10:31And then they have, of course, the uneasy feeling that their only friend might be China.
3:10:38Well, that's a very uneasy situation, so I think it's good for them to realize that Central is still a viable organization, and while they could not speak, if you run into this accident up here, they say, well, what good is Central?
3:10:58We had all this problem.
3:10:59You didn't do anything.
3:11:00Well...
3:11:01There wasn't anything to be done at that point, if you will, in the various people's tribe.
3:11:07On the other hand, it's just very essential that Pakistan have communication with and ties to the non-communist nations on the realm of the communist world.
3:11:21That's my feeling about it.
3:11:24As far as our situation is concerned, we will continue to, of course, as we
3:11:36That's our interest, basically.
3:11:44That's what we want.
3:12:04Well, you will find, speaking quite candidly, the reasons for which Senator O'Rourke was set up for God.
3:12:12Senator O'Rourke is only a fragile person.
3:12:19of anything that has to do with me.
3:12:22And the point that I make is the world, the situation has changed.
3:12:27The reasons are not the same in every instance.
3:12:30But there is a need for Central.
3:12:33It serves a useful purpose.
3:12:36And the United States will work with you, with Central.
3:12:43and achieve those goals, because in the final analysis, what really was at stake was the right of each of these nations to run, actually, their concerns, each of them, to have an independent existence.
3:13:04and not to be swallowed up by the inevitable tide of great powers going on.
3:13:17That's the way I would see it.
3:13:30And also the fact, too, is I know that you're
3:13:33But you've got to still get moving into the Indian Ocean for us, which we've noted.
3:13:37That must be something, too, as soon as they move in there, over there.
3:13:47We can't go back.
3:13:49Just the fact that there's more sort of East Mediterranean.
3:13:55Yeah, that's even more frightening.
3:13:57Yeah, we understand.
3:13:58East Mediterranean is a...
3:14:01It couldn't be a power play if we didn't have a signature incident.
3:14:05When we moved down to Jordan, for example, we weren't supposed to come out of that because they didn't look here.
3:14:11And that was enough when we moved in on that crisis.
3:14:17It's basically, that wasn't about the Mideast.
3:14:20It wasn't about so much.
3:14:22It was about the Soviet Union.
3:14:26They were involved in the Soviet Union.
3:14:27And all over, they were in place to be.
3:14:31I mean, take the, take the turds coming over here.
3:14:33Fine.
3:14:33I'm speaking because of this one good.
3:14:37The world, you know, I want our soldiers to understand, I want everybody to know, this is all the country needs.
3:14:48And if I can survive, you know, we will take some rest and then all can survive.
3:14:55Oh, yeah.
3:14:55Yeah, there.
3:15:12It's too bad.
3:15:14It's too bad.
3:15:16I mean, of course, I've recently seen 20 years of rocket experience, but the number of millions of people that have those miserable memories is terrible.
3:15:26Because they belong, they belong, basically, to Iraq and Syria, which would be close to Iran and Iraq and all that.
3:15:32They're more, they don't belong in that bag with the, you know, with an axe.
3:15:39That's why.
3:15:42I'd like to know about, basically, the military.
3:15:47Do you know much more about that than we do?
3:16:15Well, that's not a reason, of course, for the need for central.
3:16:19You've got enemy in a portion, a period of the world that's under threat from various places, and a portion of the world that is filled with volatile, unskating forces.
3:16:35some tie to reality, some tie to principle, some tie to stability, and so on.
3:16:50Because it's something.
3:16:51You need something.
3:16:52Otherwise, everybody's out there with the unbillable kind of card, card to card.
3:17:00Just in order to show people the importance and the sense of change of emphasis in the last decade.
3:17:19Right.
3:17:20Well, we're trying to follow up on that as much as we can get out of Congress.
3:17:32I think that we might help Pakistan get on the speed.
3:17:45And Santos Anderson should be on the counter side, because I don't know if he's on the military counter side.
3:17:52But we're thinking this is a central news machine.
3:17:56Yeah.
3:17:56And I think that's what radio is trying to do.
3:17:57Radio is trying a great deal in that direction to be economic rather than military.
3:18:05I think you could...
3:18:10It's a very early place in America.
3:18:11I'm sure that for economic activities in America, we can always count millions.
3:18:22Correct.
3:18:23That's our policy and that's the direction.
3:18:28That's one where we can get our Congress to support it.
3:18:34The military is very difficult.
3:18:39Is it possible?
3:18:44If you talk to your race colleagues and you visit them, you can say, our interest is very great.
3:18:49We think that these countries deserve to have been in existence.
3:18:52We want to help them as much as we can on the economic side.
3:18:54It's the best place we can help right now.
3:18:56We recognize the military importance, too, of the economic will that is brought by us.
3:19:01So the revolutionary forces that play in the area will not just explode in your face.
3:19:06That's not what we do.
3:19:12One thing, too, that made us able to get those symbolic connections, as you know, after I had to take my husband to the Soviet Union, I went to Iran.
3:19:25And, uh, is that an announcement?
3:19:27No, sir.
3:19:28Oh, it's not.
3:19:28But we've told them, you know, that it'd be the negotiations that we've got to do.
3:19:34So they're direct to the office.
3:19:35So, mostly, so you see, uh, we'll be, uh, we'll be taking on this on my own bank.
3:19:40But you see, I have great symbolic importance.
3:19:43I mean, it's very important.
3:19:44Yes, sir.
3:19:45That's why I'm doing it.
3:19:46So, I'm doing it also because of my...
3:19:49The message will reverberate all over that area.
3:20:23We are going to reset.
3:20:25We're going to work out the time, some time.
3:20:29And so there's a different initiative.
3:20:34I came in.
3:20:34I told them one day's time, three days.
3:20:39The second, first was the audience, the economy.

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