Nixon White House TapesTape 725 › Conversation 725-036

Nixon, Mitchell & Bliss on Republican National Committee and Ohio politics

Tuesday, May 16, 1972 · 5:05 PM–5:40 PM ET · Oval Office

ParticipantsNixon, Richard M. (President);  Mitchell, John N.;  Bliss, Ray C.;  White House photographer;  Bull, Stephen B.Conversation725-036 onTape 725 (tape position 04:23:56–04:55:33)StartTuesday, May 16, 1972 at 5:05 PMEndTuesday, May 16, 1972 at 5:40 PMRecording deviceOval OfficeSourceNixon Library record for 725-036 ↗

President Nixon met with John Mitchell and Ray Bliss to discuss party political strategy, specifically regarding the upcoming Ohio election and the need for Bliss to coordinate closely with Mitchell. Throughout the conversation, Nixon encouraged Bliss to balance his private insurance business with Republican National Committee work while offering him future prospects, such as presidential representative trips or commission appointments, as a reward for his service. The group also briefly touched upon political optics, including the President's recent public walk to the Treasury and the importance of favorable photographic coverage.

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4:24:56Bob Bird is putting maximum pressure on me.
4:25:00He wants to talk to you about black law.
4:25:06You know, isn't that the thing?
4:25:08You're going to get the bill of recommendations to veto or veto.
4:25:12Governmentally, it should be vetoed.
4:25:14Politically, it shouldn't be.
4:25:17by government.
4:25:19It's a bad bill, Mr. President.
4:25:20It takes over.
4:25:20It puts the federal government in a role that should be borne by the coal mine operators and by the states in terms of compensating the work and the practices on the job.
4:25:27It puts the federal government in a position of taking over the entire government and establishing a president who will play this in the future.
4:25:36This is the government raising the political price.
4:25:38I take it that I should agree to at least that.
4:25:45The others are supposed to be on the boat.
4:25:48Yes, sir.
4:25:49You better tell them that we're all going to meet today.
4:26:02Oh yes.
4:26:26I think we're having a wall somewhere.
4:26:29I think for a year old, she's barring me from going to the hospital.
4:26:33That's silly, son of a bitch.
4:26:35After what he said, I called her.
4:26:36Well, that's all.
4:26:37And we gave orders to give Kennedy the protection.
4:26:39We gave orders to show it to them.
4:26:42We showed it to them.
4:26:43And also, they needed Kennedy to be able to come down.
4:26:48and also offering the presidential suite to study.
4:26:52And I think that's the good thing.
4:26:54Your call to his wife was a very nice thing.
4:26:57Everyone in the country appreciated that.
4:26:59Hubert was very nice, I think, when she called him.
4:27:03Besides, you met your doctor.
4:27:05You met your doctor.
4:27:06Sure.
4:27:06That was a very nice talk.
4:27:07All right.
4:27:08Well, thank you.
4:27:19This is the best decision that's been made to the end of the war.
4:27:23As President, I speak on God's behalf.
4:27:25And the country is with us now.
4:27:27I know I'm in this country.
4:27:28I close all the fingers that I have.
4:27:31As President, to his success in signing the material.
4:27:34I suggest that we all do it.
4:27:36No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
4:28:11Uh, John, I don't know what this is.
4:28:13I don't know what this is.
4:28:16I don't know what this is.
4:28:36Let's get a picture of you and me first, and then Tom, you and me, okay?
4:28:46All right, here, like this.
4:28:47I'm going to try.
4:29:07Thank you.
4:29:10Thank you.
4:29:11Thank you.
4:29:12Thank you.
4:29:12Thank you.
4:29:34Well, he's done some good with the photography, but, you know, it's really something that some of these guys do in the system.
4:29:44Well, you have to do it.
4:29:46You've got to do it.
4:29:48The old man's going to be 82 when he runs again.
4:29:51Yeah, he's running again.
4:29:52Of course, he's a sharp old ball.
4:29:54He's working on it.
4:29:55And it's cool.
4:29:57He gives himself a good shake.
4:29:59He's in better shape than most people.
4:30:00He really is.
4:30:02He's great.
4:30:02Yeah.
4:36:11But I don't know whether John has told you.
4:36:15I mean, my business has doubled since I've been home.
4:36:20I've got to look after that.
4:36:22I don't have it.
4:36:23I'm not in a position to be full-time.
4:36:25Why not?
4:36:29I can lose my business.
4:36:30One of my key men has to be leaving.
4:36:31They've got to replace him.
4:36:33How much time did you give him?
4:36:36Well, I will try to give a reasonable amount of time to help him be alive back and forth.
4:36:42Of course, he can do a lot with that phone.
4:36:45Mr. President, I was worried when the fire bell rang.
4:36:50Really?
4:36:50I just don't want to have the president under the wrong conception where
4:36:59It is so that when you've got a project, then we call it, you can do it, can't you?
4:37:03Well, that's all kind of doing.
4:37:05Yeah.
4:37:05I understand.
4:37:06I'm a business side good guy.
4:37:08You get as much of your life in the part you deserve.
4:37:14It's your business side.
4:37:15What's that again?
4:37:16I haven't done much about it, just being there and people.
4:37:20You know that.
4:37:20Everybody needs to make millions when you're in politics.
4:37:22You do make millions, but you have to steal them.
4:37:27But tell them back and beat them, you know, jackknifes and break lines and be crazy every time they run ashore and have a line in their comments.
4:37:36You're a victim, practically.
4:37:39Yeah.
4:37:39And they wish they were.
4:37:45I have a light and a light, a light space light to catch me in.
4:37:51But I do have lights in there.
4:37:53Guardian light on a New York Uber, remember?
4:37:56Guardian light.
4:37:57Oh, sure.
4:37:59There's a company I have.
4:38:00How many people do you have?
4:38:02109, I'm sure.
4:38:04When I get a help, why?
4:38:10I would agree on that.
4:38:11John being very candid, and I don't want you to give him any answer, but we have some friends.
4:38:20Yes, sir.
4:38:21Yes, indeed.
4:38:24And it's because you can't expect to get all of them back.
4:38:27And as I said, I don't think I've heard you.
4:38:29I mean, there are.
4:38:30We do have some new guys that you've never met before.
4:38:33I mean, gee, you guys have been all the long days in the Apple office and people like that.
4:38:36But I want to hear from you.
4:38:44Huh?
4:38:44There's much for further.
4:38:46That's right.
4:38:47Well, anything you can do, I appreciate it, but I am going to do my share regardless.
4:38:51But I do like to .
4:38:52I told John the other day, I said, I've seen these political guys have become political bums, you know what I mean, and you have too.
4:39:05I don't know.
4:39:07But that aside the point that .
4:42:25Well, I see we're all in there dating too much.
4:42:26I just forgot to say something.
4:42:30I've got a few years left.
4:42:32Tito is going to be, I just saw that he was law ambassador.
4:42:37You know, he's going to be dating on the 25th of this month.
4:42:44And that fellow is my guy that he needs to work.
4:42:45Oh, Tito.
4:42:46I'll tell you one thing.
4:42:46You know, you wouldn't take an ambassadorship.
4:42:48One thing you wouldn't like, after this is over,
4:42:52And I think you ought to consider, I don't know if you care, but if you'd like to take a trip to some, or some, you know, representative inauguration or something like that, any place, you can pick up.
4:43:06Because these are nice things to do, and that's why I don't think that it would be possible to interview with us.
4:43:17And then John Eisenhower, for example, frankly, probably the one who sent you, but we sent John Eisenhower off to Shanghai Shepard's inauguration.
4:43:27And, you know, people think it's a good thing.
4:43:31And the American that goes is just as good, but any country, Latin America, African America.
4:43:35You might go on delegations, too, right?
4:43:36Yeah, you go on a presidential plane.
4:43:39And they really put up around us.
4:43:43It's a nice thing.
4:43:44Watch it outside.
4:43:45Well, I just want you to know that I, on behalf of my two allies, the thing is, if your vets have ever asked for anything, I want you to know that if I would like to do it, it would be a good thing for us.
4:43:58Some of these people landed on us at home.
4:44:01And you listen to them.
4:44:03You really ask for anything that you know.
4:44:09Some of these commissions that go out of Commerce and State are great, too.
4:44:13Well, they called me after the day I mentioned it.
4:44:16I appreciate the call.
4:44:18I'm in their town.
4:44:19We were discussing with John, and I said, well, if I'm going to get in and out, maybe I ought to stay off anything like that.
4:44:27So some jerk doesn't say, well, we can put him on the commission.
4:44:34At that point, I was thinking,
4:44:37But after this is over, we've got a different story.
4:46:24Mm-hmm.
4:46:48Well, do you have any questions on this Ohio thing at all?
4:46:52Let me tell you what my situation is.
4:46:54I'd like to be able to work with John.
4:46:55I deliver to the press and everybody else, and the best thing I can do for certainly politically, but the most important thing is I've got to work on the problems of the country.
4:47:15and we're going to work with my opinion.
4:47:18But I've got to wear the presidential hat and let me mention.
4:47:21I'm going to continue to.
4:51:36Exactly.
4:51:37The hell were you doing out walking across the street in the crash?
4:51:39I did it very deliberately.
4:51:42I saw that box.
4:51:49I don't mean to be bold, I don't mean to be rash, but on the other hand, if you go unexpectedly across the street and somebody shoots you, I'd welcome them to come over to this place and walk back.
4:52:03And as it could go back again, you'd have the people with hundreds of them swarming around all over the country.
4:52:10Yeah, they had your picture taken with some black with a big hairdo and it's all over the wire.
4:52:16I hope it plays as good as it sounded.
4:52:18on the wires.
4:52:21Did you still get a picture with black people?
4:52:25Yeah, published in Washington only.
4:52:27Which one?
4:52:30No, I mean, I had pictures of white people as well.
4:52:34Well, it was what and whether I'm really saying it showed that it wasn't a static craft.

On May 16, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon, John N. Mitchell, Ray C. Bliss, White House photographer, and Stephen B. Bull met in the Oval Office of the White House from 5:05 pm to 5:40 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 725-036 of the White House Tapes.

Conversation No. 725-36

Date: May 16, 1972
Time: 5:05 pm - 5:40 pm.
Location: Oval Office

                                           (rev. Jan-02)

The President met with John N. Mitchell and Ray C. Bliss; the White House
photographer was present.

      Mitchell

      Clark MacGregor

      Bliss
          -A picture

      Greetings

      Photographs
          -President and Bliss
          -President and Mitchell
          -Arrangements

      Allen J. Ellender
          -Film on Soviet Union
                -Viewing by President
                -Photography
          -The President’s view

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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 1
[Personal Returnable]
[Duration: 6m 6s      ]

END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 1

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     Bliss
             -Private business
                   -Increase
                   -Effect on political work
                         -Phone work
                         -Project work
             -Work for party
                   -Effect on business
             -Private business

                                        (rev. Jan-02)

                -Casualty and life insurance
                     -Guardian Life Insurance Company
                -Number of employees
                     -Compared to Republican National Committee [RNC]
                -Business from President's friends
                     -John W. Mulcahy
                     -Robert H. Abplanalp

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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 2
[Personal Returnable]
[Duration: 3m 14s     ]

END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 2

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     Age
           -Ellender
           -Josip Broz Tito
                 -President's previous meeting with Toma Granfil
                 -The President’s view

     Bliss's future
         -Ambassadorship
         -Trip as President's representative
                -Similar trip by John S. D. Eisenhower
                      -Chiang Kai-shek's inauguration
                -Value
                -Possible destinations
                -Delegations
                -Perquisites
                -Value
                -Similar trips by Leonard W. Hall
         -Commissions
                -Commerce Department
                -State Department
                -A call from an unknown man

                                        (rev. Jan-02)

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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 4
[Personal Returnable]
[Duration: 1m 44s     ]

END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 4

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     Smoking in Oval Office
        -Cigarettes
        -Cigars
        -Cigarettes
        -Matches
              -White House

     Forthcoming election
         -Ohio
         -President's preferred role for Bliss
               -Work with Mitchell
         -President's position
               -Statements to press
               -Republican convention

                                      (rev. Jan-02)

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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 5
[Personal Returnable]
[Duration: 4m 6s      ]

END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 5

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     President's walk to Treasury
         -Mitchell's opinion
         -President's reasons
               -New York Times editorial
                     -Television appearances
               -Show of courage
         -John B. Connally
         -Response of tourists
         -Photographs
               -Blacks
                     -Washington, DC

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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 6
[Personal Returnable]
[Duration: 3m 21s     ]

END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 6

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     Ellender

     Gifts from President
         -New cuff links
         -Old cuff links
         -Pen for Ellen Bliss

                                            (rev. Jan-02)

Stephen B. Bull entered at an unknown time after 5:06 pm.

           -New cuff links
           -Gift for Mrs. Bliss
                 -Compact
                 -Ashtray
           -Gifts for office worker
                 -Number of men and women secretaries
                 -Tieclasps
                 -Part-time worker
                 -Number of golfers
           -Ashtray
                 -Described
           -Compact
                 -Described
           -Miniature elephant
           -New cuff links
                 -Value

       President's schedule
           -John Cardinal Krol
                 -Support for President

       Bliss
           -Appreciation to President
           -Proposed trip
                -Mrs. Bliss
                -Countries
                      -Europe
                      -People’s Republic of China [PRC]

       Goodbyes

Mitchell, Bliss, and Bull left at 5:40 pm.

                                       (rev. Jan-02)
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  • 024-153 3:50 PM · 8 min — President Richard M. Nixon and H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman talked on the telephone from 3:50 pm to 3:58 pm.
  • 024-154 3:58 PM · 7 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and the White House operator talked on the telephone at an unknown time between 3:58 pm and 3:59 pm.
  • 024-155 3:59 PM · 11 min — President Richard M. Nixon, Charles W. Colson, and Stephen B. Bull talked on the telephone from 3:59 pm to 4:10 pm.
  • 725-035 4:58 PM · 6 min — President Richard M. Nixon, Clark MacGregor, David C. Hoopes, and Stephen B. Bull met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 4:58 pm and 5:05 pm.
  • 725-037 5:40 PM · 2 min — President Richard M. Nixon, unknown person(s), and Stephen B. Bull met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 5:40 pm and 5:43 pm.
  • 725-038 5:43 PM · 15 min — President Richard M. Nixon, John Cardinal Krol, Stephen B. Bull, and White House photographer met in the Oval Office of the White House from 5:43 pm to 5:54 pm.
  • 725-043 5:54 PM · 12 sec — United States Secret Service agents met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 5:54 pm and 11:59 pm.

Conversation 725-036, May 16, 1972. White House Tapes, Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, National Archives. Audio and AI transcript via Easy Nixon, https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/725-036 (accessed September 18, 2026).