Conversation 725-036

TapeTape 725StartTuesday, May 16, 1972 at 5:05 PMEndTuesday, May 16, 1972 at 5:40 PMTape start time04:23:56Tape end time04:55:33ParticipantsNixon, Richard M. (President);  Mitchell, John N.;  Bliss, Ray C.;  White House photographer;  Bull, Stephen B.Recording deviceOval Office

On May 16, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon, John N. Mitchell, Ray C. Bliss, White House photographer, and Stephen B. Bull met in the Oval Office of the White House from 5:05 pm to 5:40 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 725-036 of the White House Tapes.

Conversation No. 725-36

Date: May 16, 1972
Time: 5:05 pm - 5:40 pm.
Location: Oval Office

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The President met with John N. Mitchell and Ray C. Bliss; the White House
photographer was present.

      Mitchell

      Clark MacGregor

      Bliss
          -A picture

      Greetings

      Photographs
          -President and Bliss
          -President and Mitchell
          -Arrangements

      Allen J. Ellender
          -Film on Soviet Union
                -Viewing by President
                -Photography
          -The President’s view

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     Bliss
             -Private business
                   -Increase
                   -Effect on political work
                         -Phone work
                         -Project work
             -Work for party
                   -Effect on business
             -Private business

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                -Casualty and life insurance
                     -Guardian Life Insurance Company
                -Number of employees
                     -Compared to Republican National Committee [RNC]
                -Business from President's friends
                     -John W. Mulcahy
                     -Robert H. Abplanalp

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     Age
           -Ellender
           -Josip Broz Tito
                 -President's previous meeting with Toma Granfil
                 -The President’s view

     Bliss's future
         -Ambassadorship
         -Trip as President's representative
                -Similar trip by John S. D. Eisenhower
                      -Chiang Kai-shek's inauguration
                -Value
                -Possible destinations
                -Delegations
                -Perquisites
                -Value
                -Similar trips by Leonard W. Hall
         -Commissions
                -Commerce Department
                -State Department
                -A call from an unknown man

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     Smoking in Oval Office
        -Cigarettes
        -Cigars
        -Cigarettes
        -Matches
              -White House

     Forthcoming election
         -Ohio
         -President's preferred role for Bliss
               -Work with Mitchell
         -President's position
               -Statements to press
               -Republican convention

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     President's walk to Treasury
         -Mitchell's opinion
         -President's reasons
               -New York Times editorial
                     -Television appearances
               -Show of courage
         -John B. Connally
         -Response of tourists
         -Photographs
               -Blacks
                     -Washington, DC

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     Ellender

     Gifts from President
         -New cuff links
         -Old cuff links
         -Pen for Ellen Bliss

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Stephen B. Bull entered at an unknown time after 5:06 pm.

           -New cuff links
           -Gift for Mrs. Bliss
                 -Compact
                 -Ashtray
           -Gifts for office worker
                 -Number of men and women secretaries
                 -Tieclasps
                 -Part-time worker
                 -Number of golfers
           -Ashtray
                 -Described
           -Compact
                 -Described
           -Miniature elephant
           -New cuff links
                 -Value

       President's schedule
           -John Cardinal Krol
                 -Support for President

       Bliss
           -Appreciation to President
           -Proposed trip
                -Mrs. Bliss
                -Countries
                      -Europe
                      -People’s Republic of China [PRC]

       Goodbyes

Mitchell, Bliss, and Bull left at 5:40 pm.

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This transcript was generated automatically by AI and has not been reviewed for accuracy. Do not cite this transcript as authoritative. Consult the Finding Aid above for verified information.

Bob Bird is putting maximum pressure on me.
He wants to talk to you about black law.
You know, isn't that the thing?
You're going to get the bill of recommendations to veto or veto.
Governmentally, it should be vetoed.
Politically, it shouldn't be.
by government.
It's a bad bill, Mr. President.
It takes over.
It puts the federal government in a role that should be borne by the coal mine operators and by the states in terms of compensating the work and the practices on the job.
It puts the federal government in a position of taking over the entire government and establishing a president who will play this in the future.
This is the government raising the political price.
I take it that I should agree to at least that.
The others are supposed to be on the boat.
Yes, sir.
You better tell them that we're all going to meet today.
Oh yes.
I think we're having a wall somewhere.
I think for a year old, she's barring me from going to the hospital.
That's silly, son of a bitch.
After what he said, I called her.
Well, that's all.
And we gave orders to give Kennedy the protection.
We gave orders to show it to them.
We showed it to them.
And also, they needed Kennedy to be able to come down.
and also offering the presidential suite to study.
And I think that's the good thing.
Your call to his wife was a very nice thing.
Everyone in the country appreciated that.
Hubert was very nice, I think, when she called him.
Besides, you met your doctor.
You met your doctor.
Sure.
That was a very nice talk.
All right.
Well, thank you.
This is the best decision that's been made to the end of the war.
As President, I speak on God's behalf.
And the country is with us now.
I know I'm in this country.
I close all the fingers that I have.
As President, to his success in signing the material.
I suggest that we all do it.
No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
Uh, John, I don't know what this is.
I don't know what this is.
I don't know what this is.
Let's get a picture of you and me first, and then Tom, you and me, okay?
All right, here, like this.
I'm going to try.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Well, he's done some good with the photography, but, you know, it's really something that some of these guys do in the system.
Well, you have to do it.
You've got to do it.
The old man's going to be 82 when he runs again.
Yeah, he's running again.
Of course, he's a sharp old ball.
He's working on it.
And it's cool.
He gives himself a good shake.
He's in better shape than most people.
He really is.
He's great.
Yeah.
But I don't know whether John has told you.
I mean, my business has doubled since I've been home.
I've got to look after that.
I don't have it.
I'm not in a position to be full-time.
Why not?
I can lose my business.
One of my key men has to be leaving.
They've got to replace him.
How much time did you give him?
Well, I will try to give a reasonable amount of time to help him be alive back and forth.
Of course, he can do a lot with that phone.
Mr. President, I was worried when the fire bell rang.
Really?
I just don't want to have the president under the wrong conception where
It is so that when you've got a project, then we call it, you can do it, can't you?
Well, that's all kind of doing.
Yeah.
I understand.
I'm a business side good guy.
You get as much of your life in the part you deserve.
It's your business side.
What's that again?
I haven't done much about it, just being there and people.
You know that.
Everybody needs to make millions when you're in politics.
You do make millions, but you have to steal them.
But tell them back and beat them, you know, jackknifes and break lines and be crazy every time they run ashore and have a line in their comments.
You're a victim, practically.
Yeah.
And they wish they were.
I have a light and a light, a light space light to catch me in.
But I do have lights in there.
Guardian light on a New York Uber, remember?
Guardian light.
Oh, sure.
There's a company I have.
How many people do you have?
109, I'm sure.
When I get a help, why?
I would agree on that.
John being very candid, and I don't want you to give him any answer, but we have some friends.
Yes, sir.
Yes, indeed.
And it's because you can't expect to get all of them back.
And as I said, I don't think I've heard you.
I mean, there are.
We do have some new guys that you've never met before.
I mean, gee, you guys have been all the long days in the Apple office and people like that.
But I want to hear from you.
Huh?
There's much for further.
That's right.
Well, anything you can do, I appreciate it, but I am going to do my share regardless.
But I do like to .
I told John the other day, I said, I've seen these political guys have become political bums, you know what I mean, and you have too.
I don't know.
But that aside the point that .
Well, I see we're all in there dating too much.
I just forgot to say something.
I've got a few years left.
Tito is going to be, I just saw that he was law ambassador.
You know, he's going to be dating on the 25th of this month.
And that fellow is my guy that he needs to work.
Oh, Tito.
I'll tell you one thing.
You know, you wouldn't take an ambassadorship.
One thing you wouldn't like, after this is over,
And I think you ought to consider, I don't know if you care, but if you'd like to take a trip to some, or some, you know, representative inauguration or something like that, any place, you can pick up.
Because these are nice things to do, and that's why I don't think that it would be possible to interview with us.
And then John Eisenhower, for example, frankly, probably the one who sent you, but we sent John Eisenhower off to Shanghai Shepard's inauguration.
And, you know, people think it's a good thing.
And the American that goes is just as good, but any country, Latin America, African America.
You might go on delegations, too, right?
Yeah, you go on a presidential plane.
And they really put up around us.
It's a nice thing.
Watch it outside.
Well, I just want you to know that I, on behalf of my two allies, the thing is, if your vets have ever asked for anything, I want you to know that if I would like to do it, it would be a good thing for us.
Some of these people landed on us at home.
And you listen to them.
You really ask for anything that you know.
Some of these commissions that go out of Commerce and State are great, too.
Well, they called me after the day I mentioned it.
I appreciate the call.
I'm in their town.
We were discussing with John, and I said, well, if I'm going to get in and out, maybe I ought to stay off anything like that.
So some jerk doesn't say, well, we can put him on the commission.
At that point, I was thinking,
But after this is over, we've got a different story.
Mm-hmm.
Well, do you have any questions on this Ohio thing at all?
Let me tell you what my situation is.
I'd like to be able to work with John.
I deliver to the press and everybody else, and the best thing I can do for certainly politically, but the most important thing is I've got to work on the problems of the country.
and we're going to work with my opinion.
But I've got to wear the presidential hat and let me mention.
I'm going to continue to.
Exactly.
The hell were you doing out walking across the street in the crash?
I did it very deliberately.
I saw that box.
I don't mean to be bold, I don't mean to be rash, but on the other hand, if you go unexpectedly across the street and somebody shoots you, I'd welcome them to come over to this place and walk back.
And as it could go back again, you'd have the people with hundreds of them swarming around all over the country.
Yeah, they had your picture taken with some black with a big hairdo and it's all over the wire.
I hope it plays as good as it sounded.
on the wires.
Did you still get a picture with black people?
Yeah, published in Washington only.
Which one?
No, I mean, I had pictures of white people as well.
Well, it was what and whether I'm really saying it showed that it wasn't a static craft.