Nixon White House Tapes › Tape 725 › Conversation 725-036

Nixon, Mitchell & Bliss on Republican National Committee and Ohio politics

Tuesday, May 16, 1972 · 5:05 PM–5:40 PM ET · Oval Office · 30 min

ParticipantsNixon, Richard M. (President); Mitchell, John N.; Bliss, Ray C.; White House photographer; Bull, Stephen B.Conversation725-036 on Tape 725 (tape position 04:23:56–04:55:33)StartTuesday, May 16, 1972 at 5:05 PMEndTuesday, May 16, 1972 at 5:40 PMRecording deviceOval OfficeSourceNixon Library record for 725-036 ↗

President Nixon met with John Mitchell and Ray Bliss to discuss party political strategy, specifically regarding the upcoming Ohio election and the need for Bliss to coordinate closely with Mitchell. Throughout the conversation, Nixon encouraged Bliss to balance his private insurance business with Republican National Committee work while offering him future prospects, such as presidential representative trips or commission appointments, as a reward for his service. The group also briefly touched upon political optics, including the President's recent public walk to the Treasury and the importance of favorable photographic coverage.

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On May 16, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon, John N. Mitchell, Ray C. Bliss, White House photographer, and Stephen B. Bull met in the Oval Office of the White House from 5:05 pm to 5:40 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 725-036 of the White House Tapes.

Conversation No. 725-36

Date: May 16, 1972
Time: 5:05 pm - 5:40 pm.
Location: Oval Office

The President met with John N. Mitchell and Ray C. Bliss; the White House
photographer was present.

      Mitchell

      Clark MacGregor

      Bliss
          -A picture

      Greetings

      Photographs
          -President and Bliss
          -President and Mitchell
          -Arrangements

      Allen J. Ellender
          -Film on Soviet Union
                -Viewing by President
                -Photography
          -The President’s view

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[Duration: 6m 6s      ]

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     Bliss
             -Private business
                   -Increase
                   -Effect on political work
                         -Phone work
                         -Project work
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             -Work for party
                   -Effect on business
             -Private business

                -Casualty and life insurance
                     -Guardian Life Insurance Company
                -Number of employees
                     -Compared to Republican National Committee [RNC]
                -Business from President's friends
                     -John W. Mulcahy
                     -Robert H. Abplanalp

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[Duration: 3m 14s     ]

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     Age
           -Ellender
           -Josip Broz Tito
                 -President's previous meeting with Toma Granfil
                 -The President’s view

     Bliss's future
         -Ambassadorship
         -Trip as President's representative
                -Similar trip by John S. D. Eisenhower
                      -Chiang Kai-shek's inauguration
                -Value
                -Possible destinations
                -Delegations
                -Perquisites
                -Value
                -Similar trips by Leonard W. Hall
         -Commissions
                -Commerce Department
                -State Department
                -A call from an unknown man

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[Duration: 1m 44s     ]

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     Smoking in Oval Office
        -Cigarettes
        -Cigars
        -Cigarettes
        -Matches
              -White House

     Forthcoming election
         -Ohio
         -President's preferred role for Bliss
               -Work with Mitchell
         -President's position
               -Statements to press
               -Republican convention

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     President's walk to Treasury
         -Mitchell's opinion
         -President's reasons
               -New York Times editorial
                     -Television appearances
               -Show of courage
         -John B. Connally
         -Response of tourists
         -Photographs
               -Blacks
                     -Washington, DC

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     Ellender

     Gifts from President
         -New cuff links
         -Old cuff links
         -Pen for Ellen Bliss

Stephen B. Bull entered at an unknown time after 5:06 pm.

           -New cuff links
           -Gift for Mrs. Bliss
                 -Compact
                 -Ashtray
           -Gifts for office worker
                 -Number of men and women secretaries
                 -Tieclasps
                 -Part-time worker
                 -Number of golfers
           -Ashtray
                 -Described
           -Compact
                 -Described
           -Miniature elephant
           -New cuff links
                 -Value

       President's schedule
           -John Cardinal Krol
                 -Support for President

       Bliss
           -Appreciation to President
           -Proposed trip
                -Mrs. Bliss
                -Countries
                      -Europe
                      -People’s Republic of China [PRC]

       Goodbyes

Mitchell, Bliss, and Bull left at 5:40 pm.

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By then, we will have completed the management of the call for an agreement for a verified ceasefire between the United States forces and the NLF.
Which leaves the North Vietnamese with a chance to romp over Cambodia and Laos and South Vietnam, see?
Which makes no sense at all.
The NLF ain't fighting now, you know.
They're done.
It's straight as hell for me, Mr. President.
It doesn't even what it is in the cards, but I'll just like to have a white card because I don't understand this book today.
All I can say is that it was a poor record, the Case Church book.
Incidentally, it was present in nine S&Ts.
We're broken six to three in our favor of maybe seven to two.
But still, it's a good book.
It's a good book.
Thank you for going through the audience.
Thank you.
You know, you're going to get the bill and recommendations to veto it, veto it, which is bad.
Governmentally, it should be vetoed.
Politically, it shouldn't be.
by government.
It's a bad bill, Mr. President.
It takes over.
It puts the federal government in a role that should be formed by the coal mine operators and by the states in terms of compensating the workmen that contract disease on the job.
It puts the federal government in a position of taking over the entire government and establishing a precedent that will play this in the future.
This is the government's reason.
Politically, personally, I think it's an uptick.
I want you to agree to at least that.
Well, let's not miss any kind of parts.
It's about the others who are supposed to be on both of them.
Yes, sir.
They're out there.
You better tell them that we're all going to meet in a few minutes.
the other thing
I think we're out of the walls.
I think we're a year old.
She's barring me from going to a hospital.
That's a silly son of a bitch.
After what he said, I called her.
Well, that's all.
And vehicle lawyers that give Kennedy the protection.
Vehicle lawyers that show he's just a lawyer.
And also, I think Kennedy's the other two people.
and also offering the presidential suite to study.
And I think that's the .
Your call to his wife was a very nice thing.
Every woman in the country appreciated that.
Hubert was very understanding when she called him.
And besides, you made your doctorate.
So go and set your doctorate.
Sure.
That was a very nice talk.
All right.
Well, thank you.
This is the best decision that's been made.
He's going to end the war.
He's president.
He's the people of God.
And the country is with us now.
I know I'm in this country.
That's most of the figures that I have.
That's the rest of it.
David says he's signing material.
I think that's a good idea.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
Yeah.
Let's get a picture of you and me first, and then Tom, you and me, okay?
Right here, like this.
Thank you.
Thank you.
He gives himself a good shake.
He's in better shape than most people.
He really is.

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But I don't know whether John's told you, I mean, my business has doubled since I've been home.
I've got to look after that.
I don't have, I'm not in a position to be full-time.
Why not?
to lose my business.
One of my key men has to be leaving.
They've got to replace him.
How much time did you give him?
Well, I will try to give a reasonable amount of time to help.
He'll lie back and forth.
Yeah.
Of course, he can do a lot with that phone.
Mr. President, I wouldn't worry about that, you know, when the fire bell rings, you know.
I just don't want to get the president under the wrong consideration.
What's that again?
I haven't done much about it, just being there and people.
You know that every way that you make millions when you're in politics.
But telling back and speaking, you know, yeah, it's very nice.
It'd be great to run ashore and have a light in there.
I'm sure it's a bit depressing.
Yeah.
Any questions?
Thank you.
Thank you.
I would agree with that.
I'm being very candid, and I don't want you to think of any answer, but we have some friends.
Yes, sir.
Yes, indeed.
And it's because you can't expect to get all of them back.
And I don't think I've heard you.
I mean, there are.
We do have some new guys that you've never met before.
I mean, gee, you guys, you know, the Long Pays and the Apple Lofts and people like that that I want.
Huh?
There's much for further.
That's right.
Well, anything you can do, I appreciate it, but I am going to do my shared regards.
But I do want to .
I told John the other day, I said, I've seen these political guys have become political bones, you know, and you have too.
I don't know.
But, yeah, aside the point that .

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Well, I see we're all in there dating too much.
I just forgot to say something.
I've got a few years left.
Tito is going to be, I just, I thought he was my ambassador.
You know, he's going to be dating.
I'm going to try to get him to stop and not follow his life guide that he's directing.
Oh, Tito.
Tell you one thing, I, you know, you wouldn't take an ambassadorship.
One thing, you wouldn't like.
After this is over...
And I think you ought to consider, I don't know if you care, but if you'd like to take a trip to some or some, you know, representative inauguration or something like that, any place, you can pick it.
Because these are nice things to do, and it's something I don't think I'd even possibly interview with.
And John Eisenhower, for example, frankly, by the way, had sent you, had sent John Eisenhower off to Shanghai Ships to the inauguration.
And, you know, people think it's a good thing.
And the American that goes is just like any country, Latin America, Africa, Europe.
You might go on delegations, too, right?
Yeah, you go on delegations.
You go on a presidential.
They really put it on.
It's a nice thing.
Watch it also.
If anything like that, you'll have to wait a little bit.
Well, I just want you to know that we have a lot.
The thing is, if you ever ask for anything, I want you to know that if I would like to do it, it would be a good thing for us.
Some of these people, that's a lot of them.
I know a lot of people.
Some of these commissions that go out of Commerce and State are great, too.
Well, they called me after the day I mentioned it, and I appreciated the call, and I turned to them and discussed it with John, and I said, well, I'm going to get you to tell me if you ought to stay off anything like it, so some jerk doesn't
But after this is over, we've got a different story.

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Director of the Ministry of Defense, welcome in here, Mr. President.
Want a cigar?
No, I don't want cigars.
You sure have a cigarette.
I'd offer you one.
You got matches?
At the Clara Beach room.
The matches from...
In the fair, why not?
He said, I know John Winklehead.
Why not the matches?
Thank you.
Give it to him.
Thank you.
Well, do you have any questions on this Ohio thing at all?
Let me tell you what my situation is.
I'd love for you to work with John.
I deliver to the press and everybody else, and the best thing I can do for certainly politically, but the most important thing is I've got to work on the problems of the country.
We've got to make some tough decisions in my opinion.
But I've got to wear the presidential hat and let it be mentioned.
And I'm going to continue to.

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Exactly.
What the hell were you doing out walking across the street, McCracken?
I did it very deliberately.
I saw that in the New York Times saying on now on that all candidates should simply talk to the people by television.
I don't mean to be bold, I mean to be rash.
But on the other hand, if you go unexpectedly across the street,
I hope it plays as good as it sounded on the wires.
No, I mean, I have pictures of white people as well.
Well, it wasn't what I really think.
It wasn't a stat crap.
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Conversation 725-036, May 16, 1972. White House Tapes, Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, National Archives. Audio and AI transcript via Easy Nixon, https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/725-036 (accessed November 2, 2026).