Nixon White House Tapes › Tape 797 › Conversation 797-022

Nixon & Bull on James S. Copley and Henry Kissinger

Friday, October 13, 1972 · 4:05 PM–4:06 PM ET · Oval Office · 40 sec

ParticipantsNixon, Richard M. (President); Bull, Stephen B.Conversation797-022 on Tape 797StartFriday, October 13, 1972 at 4:05 PMEndFriday, October 13, 1972 at 4:06 PMRecording deviceOval OfficeSourceNixon Library record for 797-022 ↗

AI Summary

President Nixon and Stephen B. Bull briefly met in the Oval Office to discuss upcoming schedule items. The conversation touched upon a meeting with James S. Copley, the duration of a meeting with Henry Kissinger, and the arrival of Victor H. Krulak, whom Gerald L. Warren referred to as "The Brute."

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NARA Description

On October 13, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon and Stephen B. Bull met in the Oval Office of the White House from 4:05 pm to 4:06 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 797-022 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid

Conversation No. 797-22

Date: October 13, 1972
Time: 4:05pm - 4:06 pm
Location: Oval Office

The President met with Stephen B. Bull.

         The President's schedule
             -[James S. Copley]
                 -Meeting duration
                      -Henry A. Kissinger
                 -Victor H. Krulak
                      -Gerald L. Warren
                      -Nickname

Bull left at 4:06 pm.

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Nixon4:30.
Bull[unintelligible] 4:30 [unintelligible]
Nixon[unintelligible] bring it to the office.
BullJerry told you Krulak's going to be here. Yeah, I'm sorry. The "Brute." That's whom he's going by.
NixonHe's known as the "Brute." Yeah.

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  • 797-023 4:06 PM · 11 min — President Richard M. Nixon, James S. Copley, Mrs. James S. Copley, Victor H. Krulak, Gerald L. Warren, White House photographer, and Stephen B. Bull met in the Oval Office of the White House from 4:06 pm to 4:33 pm.
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Cite this conversation

Conversation 797-022, October 13, 1972. White House Tapes, Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, National Archives. Audio and AI transcript via Easy Nixon, https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/797-022 (accessed November 2, 2026).