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Nixon, Klein & Kingwell on Public Relations and People's Republic of China

Friday, March 2, 1973 · 5:12 PM–5:14 PM ET · Oval Office · 2 min

ParticipantsNixon, Richard M. (President); Klein, Herbert G.; Bull, Stephen B.; Kingwell, Donna J.Conversation867-037 on Tape 867StartFriday, March 2, 1973 at 5:12 PMEndFriday, March 2, 1973 at 5:14 PMRecording deviceOval OfficeSourceNixon Library record for 867-037 ↗

President Nixon met with Herbert G. Klein and Donna J. Kingwell to bid farewell to Kingwell as she transitioned to a new position in California. The discussion touched upon personal matters, including Kingwell's residence and background, alongside reflections on Klein’s public relations work and his recent trip to the People's Republic of China. The meeting concluded with the President expressing his appreciation for their service.

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How are you?
How are you?
Thank you.
Your girl is here.
She's leaving, huh?
Yes, sir.
This is Sonny King.
We're doing research.
How are you?
I take it over here.
I'm over here.
She's going back to California to get your vest.
I'll be right back.
We're so glad to have you.
We appreciate all your work.
Great battles, travels, and all.
Did you go with her to China?
No, I didn't.
Why didn't you take her?
It didn't make a lot of good sense.
Yeah, it wasn't a great trip for you?
No, it wasn't.
I was just talking to Dennis, and he did love it.
It was, you know, I really enjoyed it.
He doesn't know.
This is a jewelry woman.
They're going to get around him.
Man, I'm right.
This is him.
And it's all these press guys.
He's selling a lot of that.
I know.
The trouble is, he doesn't understand.
That's VR.
That's not anything.
Oh, I got through it.
I know.
I know.
I heard it right.
I was so glad.
See, I had the idea.
I said, you've got to get some money on it.
I said, well, why not?
That worked out very recently.
On the greatest thrill I've ever had in my life.
Yes, sir.
I was, I was not even required to put that up, at least when we got a picture of you, C-141, just to take you out.
Yeah, first at C-141.
Is that right?
That's right.
Well, we'll see you, and, uh, nice to see you when you leave.
We'll see you when I, uh, I hope you don't have to work so hard for your next fall, I'll be sure.
Uh, go ahead.
All right.
Thank you.

On March 2, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon, Herbert G. Klein, Stephen B. Bull, and Donna J. Kingwell met in the Oval Office of the White House from 5:12 pm to 5:14 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 867-037 of the White House Tapes.

Conversation No. 867-37

Date: March 2, 1973
Time: 5:12 pm and 5:14 pm
Location: Oval Office

The President met with Herbert G. Klein and Donna J. Kingwell; Stephen B. Bull and the White
House photographer were present at the beginning of the meeting.

       Greetings

       Photograph

       Kingwell's residence in Monrovia, California
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                    NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                                                            Conversation No. 867-37 (cont’d)

             -Whittier College

       Kingwell's new job

       President's appreciation for work

       Trip to People's Republic of China [PRC] by Klein
             -Henry A. Kissinger
                   -Klein
                   -Public relations
             -Photographs

Henry A. Kissinger entered at an unknown time before 5:40 pm.

       Klein’s praise for Kissinger

Klein, Bull, and Kingwell left.
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Conversation 867-037, March 2, 1973. White House Tapes, Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, National Archives. Audio and AI transcript via Easy Nixon, https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/867-037 (accessed October 12, 2026).