Nixon White House Tapes › Tape 40 › Conversation 040-077

Nixon phone call with Bull on White House protocol and Staff management

Wednesday, June 13, 1973 · 3:20 PM–3:21 PM ET · White House Telephone · 30 sec

ParticipantsNixon, Richard M. (President); Bull, Stephen B.Conversation040-077 on Tape 40StartWednesday, June 13, 1973 at 3:20 PMEndWednesday, June 13, 1973 at 3:21 PMRecording deviceWhite House TelephoneSourceNixon Library record for 040-077 ↗

AI Summary

President Nixon instructed his aide, Stephen B. Bull, to strictly enforce a new policy prohibiting family members from accompanying guests during presidential meetings. Despite Nixon’s previous directive, Bull confirmed that families were included in an upcoming scheduled visit. Nixon emphasized that this practice must be discontinued permanently, ordering Bull to ensure no further exceptions are made for family attendance.

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Oh, yes, sir.

Steve, the last time out, I told the military or you, I don't know which, that there'd be no more of the family bit.

I don't know whether you got that through this time, because seven plus their families will be an hour.

Have we or have we not?

Uh, we do have families on this one, Mr. President.

Don't ever do it again.

No more families, sir?

That's right.

Never, never, never.

Okay.

All right, sir.

NARA Description

On June 13, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon and Stephen B. Bull talked on the telephone from 3:20 pm to 3:21 pm. The White House Telephone taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 040-077 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid

Conversation No. 40-77

Date: June 13, 1973
Time: 3:20 pm - 3:21 pm
Location: White House Telephone
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                   NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

The President talked with Stephen B. Bull.

[See also Conversation No. 445-19]

     President’s schedule
           -Meetings with individuals
                 -Attendance of families
                       -Discontinuation of the practice

Also recorded on June 13, 1973

445-019 3:20 PM · 29 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and Stephen B. Bull met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 3:20 pm to 3:21 pm.
445-020 3:22 PM · 10 min — President Richard M. Nixon and Raymond K. Price, Jr. met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 3:22 pm to 3:40 pm.
040-078 3:41 PM · 14 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and White House operator talked on the telephone at 3:41 pm.
445-021 3:41 PM · 10 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and White House operator met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at 3:41 pm.
445-022 3:45 PM · 17 min — President Richard M. Nixon and Ronald L. Ziegler met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 3:45 pm to 4:04 pm.
445-023 4:05 PM · 13 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and Raymond K. Price, Jr. met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 4:05 pm to 4:06 pm.
445-024 4:06 PM · 17 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and unknown person(s) met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at an unknown time between 4:06 pm and 4:10 pm.
445-025 4:10 PM · 19 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and Marjorie P. Acker met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 4:10 pm to 4:11 pm.

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Cite this conversation

Conversation 040-077, June 13, 1973. White House Tapes, Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, National Archives. Audio and AI transcript via Easy Nixon, https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/040-077 (accessed October 9, 2026).