Nixon White House Tapes › Tape 186 › Conversation 186-001

Hirsch & Camp David Operator on Camp David and Communications

Friday, February 2, 1973 · 3:43 PM–8:50 PM ET · Camp David Study Desk · 42 sec

ParticipantsCamp David Operator; Hirsch, William; [Unknown person(s)]Conversation186-001 on Tape 186StartFriday, February 2, 1973 at 3:43 PMEndFriday, February 2, 1973 at 8:50 PMRecording deviceCamp David Study DeskSourceNixon Library record for 186-001 ↗

William Hirsch utilized the Camp David telephone system to facilitate logistical communications between the facility's kitchen staff and personnel at the Aspen lodge. The exchange primarily served as an administrative request to connect Hirsch with Charlie C. Sumrell. No substantive policy discussions occurred, as the dialogue was limited to verifying availability and routing the call.

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Yeah, it's Hirshman, the kitchen, please.
Okay.
Thank you.
That's Peter.
Yeah, but there is someone out there.
Huh?
Charlie.
Can I talk to Charlie, please?
Who?
Summerall.
Yeah.
But there?
Yeah.
It's Hirsh.
I want to talk to Summerall.
He's saying... Oh!
All right.

On February 2, 1973, Camp David operator, William Hirsch, and unknown person(s) talked on the telephone at Camp David at an unknown time between 3:43 pm and 8:50 pm. The Camp David Study Desk taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 186-001 of the White House Tapes.

Conversation No. 186-1

Date: February 2, 1973
Time: Unknown between 3:43 pm and 8:50 pm
Location: Camp David Study Desk

William Hirsch talked with the Camp David operator.

       Request for a call to Aspen

Hirsch talked with an unknown person at an unknown time between 3:43 pm and 8:50 pm.

       Request for a conversation with Charlie C. Sumrell
  • 186-002 3:43 PM · 32 sec — William Hirsch and Charles C. ("Charlie") Sumrell talked on the telephone at Camp David at an unknown time between 3:43 pm and 8:50 pm.
  • 186-003 3:43 PM · 4 min — Henry A. Kissinger, Camp David operator, Paul ("Stern") Kissinger, and Louis Kissinger talked on the telephone at Camp David at an unknown time between 3:43 pm and 8:50 pm.
  • 186-004 3:43 PM · 3 min — Henry A. Kissinger, Camp David operator, unknown person(s), and Gen. Brent G. Scowcroft talked on the telephone at Camp David at an unknown time between 3:43 pm and 8:50 pm.
  • 186-005 3:43 PM · 3 min — Henry A. Kissinger, Camp David operator, and Cmdr. Jonathan T. Howe talked on the telephone at Camp David at an unknown time between 3:43 pm and 8:50 pm.
  • 186-006 3:43 PM · 20 sec — Charles C. ("Charlie") Sumrell and unknown person(s) talked on the telephone at Camp David at an unknown time between 3:43 pm and 8:50 pm.
  • 186-007 3:43 PM · 33 sec — Frank A. Sisco, Camp David operator, and Charles A. Grunden talked on the telephone at Camp David at an unknown time between 3:43 pm and 8:50 pm.
  • 186-008 3:43 PM · 6 min — Frank A. Sisco, Camp David operator, unknown person(s), and Farrell D. Morlan talked on the telephone at Camp David at an unknown time between 3:43 pm and 8:50 pm.
  • 186-009 3:43 PM · 2 min — Charles C. ("Charlie") Sumrell, Camp David operator, and Farrell D. Morlan talked on the telephone at Camp David at an unknown time between 3:43 pm and 8:50 pm.

Conversation 186-001, February 2, 1973. White House Tapes, Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, National Archives. Audio and AI transcript via Easy Nixon, https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/186-001 (accessed October 10, 2026).