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Kissinger & Camp David Operator on Family relations and Hanoi

Friday, February 2, 1973 · 3:43 PM–8:50 PM ET · Camp David Study Desk · 4 min

ParticipantsKissinger, Henry A.; Camp David Operator; Kissinger, Paul ("Stern"); Kissinger, LouisConversation186-003 on Tape 186StartFriday, February 2, 1973 at 3:43 PMEndFriday, February 2, 1973 at 8:50 PMRecording deviceCamp David Study DeskSourceNixon Library record for 186-003 ↗

Henry Kissinger placed a personal call from Camp David to his father, Louis Kissinger, and his sister-in-law, Paula Stern Kissinger, to wish his father a happy birthday and discuss recent events. The family members praised Kissinger’s recent television appearance and discussed his upcoming diplomatic trip to Hanoi. Despite his family’s concerns regarding his safety, Kissinger expressed confidence in his security detail and promised to call again before his departure.

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It is Mr. Kissinger.
Could you get me New York WA80730?
Yes, sir.
Thank you.
Hello, Henry.
How are you?
I'm all right, and how are you?
Okay.
We listened to you last night.
Oh, did you?
Yeah, it was very good.
I'm very proud of you.
I don't think you're the most unprejudiced.
I'm a little prejudiced, I must say.
No, but I think even if somebody was prejudiced, he couldn't say anything.
yes i'm going to hanoi leaving on wednesday are you going you you have the secret service with you mother if they want to do something to me secret service is not going to protect me i have every confidence however that they don't have any intention to do anything to me
Absolutely safe.
Okay.
I'm not as worried when you go to this country.
Hello, Henry.
Hello, Father.
Happy birthday.
Thank you, Henry.
I hope you had a good birthday.
I had a good day.
Even at the start of my birthday, I try to forget it.
But I can tell you've been getting younger since your 65th year.
At some point it has to stop.
Look how he carried on in working here.
That's right.
What he could do, you know.
Really?
A young man couldn't do that, right?
Certainly not.
You kept going 18 hours a day.
Really, really.
I must really say myself that I...
Well, it was a very pleasant weekend.
You left some cufflinks and some books in Washington from the inauguration.
Do you want me to send them to you?
No, I'll send you some official ones.
Oh, good.
All right.
Okay.
Fine.
Okay.
I'm at Camp David and I have to go to dinner in a minute.
I just wanted to call.
Oh, you're in Camp David?
Yes, and there's a dinner for the British Prime Minister, so I have to go to that.
Oh, I see.
Very, very nice that you didn't forget.
Do we speak to you before you go?
Of course, certainly.
Okay.
When are you going, Henry?
Wednesday morning.
Rinse him.
Let him go, Louis.
He has to go to tunnel.
You call it before you go.
I'll definitely call before I go.
You'll see your doctor.
Okay, then.
Thanks for calling, and good night.
Bye.
Henry?
Yeah.
Well, only to say that I was very much impressed of your performance last time.
Well, if you said the opposite, I would be really astonished.
You would be astonished.
I wouldn't say a word.
Yeah.
I wouldn't say anything.
You think you have a little prejudice.
Okay.
Good night.
Bye.

On February 2, 1973, Henry A. Kissinger, Camp David operator, Paul ("Stern") Kissinger, and Louis Kissinger talked on the telephone at Camp David at an unknown time between 3:43 pm and 8:50 pm. The Camp David Study Desk taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 186-003 of the White House Tapes.

Conversation No. 186-3
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                   NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                                                               Conversation No. 186-9 (cont’d)

Date: February 2, 1973
Time: Unknown between 3:43 pm and 8:50 pm
Location: Camp David Study Desk

Henry A. Kissinger talked with the Camp David operator.

       Request for a call to New York
             -Telephone number

Kissinger talked with Louis Kissinger and Paula Stern Kissinger.

[See Conversation No. 241-1]

       Kissinger’s television [TV] appearance
              -Paula Kissinger’s view

       Kissinger’s role
              -Trip to Hanoi
                      -Secret Service
                              -Safety
       Louis Kissinger’s birthday
              -Visit to Washington, DC
                      -Cufflinks and books
                              -1973 Inauguration
                                      -Barbara Walters

       Kissinger’s location

       Kissinger’s schedule
              -Dinner with Roy R. G. Heath
              -Trip to Hanoi
                      -Telephone call from Kissinger

       Kissinger’s appearance
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                   NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                                                             Conversation No. 186-9 (cont’d)

              -Louis Kissinger’s view
  • 186-001 3:43 PM · 42 sec — Camp David operator, William Hirsch, and unknown person(s) talked on the telephone at Camp David at an unknown time between 3:43 pm and 8:50 pm.
  • 186-002 3:43 PM · 32 sec — William Hirsch and Charles C. ("Charlie") Sumrell talked on the telephone at Camp David at an unknown time between 3:43 pm and 8:50 pm.
  • 186-004 3:43 PM · 3 min — Henry A. Kissinger, Camp David operator, unknown person(s), and Gen. Brent G. Scowcroft talked on the telephone at Camp David at an unknown time between 3:43 pm and 8:50 pm.
  • 186-005 3:43 PM · 3 min — Henry A. Kissinger, Camp David operator, and Cmdr. Jonathan T. Howe talked on the telephone at Camp David at an unknown time between 3:43 pm and 8:50 pm.
  • 186-006 3:43 PM · 20 sec — Charles C. ("Charlie") Sumrell and unknown person(s) talked on the telephone at Camp David at an unknown time between 3:43 pm and 8:50 pm.
  • 186-007 3:43 PM · 33 sec — Frank A. Sisco, Camp David operator, and Charles A. Grunden talked on the telephone at Camp David at an unknown time between 3:43 pm and 8:50 pm.
  • 186-008 3:43 PM · 6 min — Frank A. Sisco, Camp David operator, unknown person(s), and Farrell D. Morlan talked on the telephone at Camp David at an unknown time between 3:43 pm and 8:50 pm.
  • 186-009 3:43 PM · 2 min — Charles C. ("Charlie") Sumrell, Camp David operator, and Farrell D. Morlan talked on the telephone at Camp David at an unknown time between 3:43 pm and 8:50 pm.

Conversation 186-003, February 2, 1973. White House Tapes, Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, National Archives. Audio and AI transcript via Easy Nixon, https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/186-003 (accessed October 10, 2026).