Nixon White House Tapes › Tape 235 › Conversation 235-005

Drown, Hirsch & Eisenhower on Camp David and Transportation

Saturday, December 9, 1972 · 12:58 PM–1:58 PM ET · Camp David Hard Wire · 29 sec

ParticipantsDrown, Helene (Colesie); Hirsch, William; Eisenhower, Julie NixonConversation235-005 on Tape 235StartSaturday, December 9, 1972 at 12:58 PMEndSaturday, December 9, 1972 at 1:58 PMRecording deviceCamp David Hard WireSourceNixon Library record for 235-005 ↗

AI Summary

Julie Nixon Eisenhower met with Helene Drown and William Hirsch at the Aspen Lodge study at Camp David to coordinate logistics and movement. The discussion centered on transit arrangements, specifically the readiness of the President's car and the group's planned walk toward Laurel Lodge. The meeting concluded with the participants preparing to depart for these locations.

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You ready?
What's the matter?
Okay, well, we'll start walking toward Laurel, okay?
The President's car is ready whenever you'd like to go.
Yes, ma'am.

NARA Description

On December 9, 1972, Helene (Colesie) Drown, William Hirsch, and Julie Nixon Eisenhower met in the Aspen Lodge study at Camp David at an unknown time between 12:58 pm and 1:58 pm. The Camp David Hard Wire taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 235-005 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid

Conversation No. 235-5

Date: December 9, 1972
Time: Unknown between 12:58 pm and 1:58 pm
Location: Camp David Hard Wire

Helene (Colesie) Drown and William Hirsch met with Julie Nixon Eisenhower.

        Julie Nixon Eisenhower’s
              -Laurel Lodge
              -The President’s car

Drown and Hirsch left at an unknown time before 1:58 pm.

Also recorded on December 9, 1972

  • 157-025 10:30 AM · 11 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and Camp David operator talked on the telephone at Camp David at an unknown time between 10:30 am and 12:22 pm.
  • 157-026 12:22 PM · 35 min — President Richard M. Nixon and Charles W. Colson talked on the telephone at Camp David from 12:22 pm to 12:58 pm.
  • 235-004 12:22 PM · 23 min — President Richard M. Nixon and Charles W. Colson met in the Aspen Lodge study at Camp David from 12:22 pm to 12:58 pm.
  • 235-006 12:58 PM · 15 sec — Thelma C. ("Pat") (Ryan) Nixon and Helene (Colesie) Drown met in the Aspen Lodge study at Camp David at an unknown time between 12:58 pm and 1:58 pm.
  • 235-007 12:58 PM · 1 min — Thelma C. ("Pat") (Ryan) Nixon, Helene (Colesie) Drown, and Julie Nixon Eisenhower met in the Aspen Lodge study at Camp David at an unknown time between 12:58 pm and 1:58 pm.
  • 157-027 1:58 PM · 20 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and Camp David operator talked on the telephone at Camp David at 1:58 pm.
  • 235-008 1:58 PM · 16 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and Camp David operator met in the Aspen Lodge study at Camp David at 1:58 pm.
  • 235-009 1:58 PM · 56 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and Manolo Sanchez met in the Aspen Lodge study at Camp David at an unknown time between 1:58 pm and 4:00 pm.

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Cite this conversation

Conversation 235-005, December 9, 1972. White House Tapes, Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, National Archives. Audio and AI transcript via Easy Nixon, https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/235-005 (accessed October 10, 2026).