Nixon White House Tapes › Tape 238 › Conversation 238-028

Nixon phone call with an unidentified caller on Camp David

Saturday, December 30, 1972 · 1:20 PM–1:30 PM ET · Camp David Hard Wire · 15 sec

ParticipantsNixon, Thelma C. ("Pat") (Ryan); [Unknown person(s)]Conversation238-028 on Tape 238StartSaturday, December 30, 1972 at 1:20 PMEndSaturday, December 30, 1972 at 1:30 PMRecording deviceCamp David Hard WireSourceNixon Library record for 238-028 ↗

First Lady Pat Nixon held a brief, private meeting with an unidentified individual at the Aspen Lodge study in Camp David. The nature of the discussion remains undocumented due to the withdrawal of the primary segment under personal returnable criteria. No significant policy decisions or administrative actions were recorded as a result of this encounter.

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On December 30, 1972, Thelma C. ("Pat") (Ryan) Nixon and unknown person(s) met in the Aspen Lodge study at Camp David at an unknown time between 1:20 pm and 1:30 pm. The Camp David Hard Wire taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 238-028 of the White House Tapes.

Conversation No. 238-28

Date: December 30, 1972
Time: Unknown between 1:20 pm and 1:30 pm
Location: Camp David Hard Wire

Thelma C. (“Pat”) Nixon met with an unknown person.

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[Begin segment reviewed under deed of gift]

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[Duration: 15s ]

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[End segment reviewed under deed of gift]
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Mrs. Nixon and an unknown person left at an unknown time after 1:30 pm.
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  • 238-021 1:16 PM · 19 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and Thelma C. ("Pat") (Ryan) Nixon met in the Aspen Lodge study at Camp David at an unknown time between 1:16 pm and 1:18 pm.
  • 158-058 1:18 PM · 3 min — President Richard M. Nixon and Tricia Nixon Cox talked on the telephone at Camp David from 1:18 pm to 1:20 pm.
  • 238-022 1:18 PM · 3 min — President Richard M. Nixon and Tricia Nixon Cox met in the Aspen Lodge study at Camp David from 1:18 pm to 1:20 pm.
  • 238-023 1:20 PM · 23 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and Manolo Sanchez met in the Aspen Lodge study at Camp David at an unknown time between 1:20 pm and 1:30 pm.
  • 238-029 1:20 PM · 17 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and Thelma C. ("Pat") (Ryan) Nixon met in the Aspen Lodge study at Camp David at an unknown time between 1:20 pm and 1:30 pm.
  • 238-030 1:20 PM · 15 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and Thelma C. ("Pat") (Ryan) Nixon met in the Aspen Lodge study at Camp David at an unknown time between 1:20 pm and 1:30 pm.

Conversation 238-028, December 30, 1972. White House Tapes, Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, National Archives. Audio and AI transcript via Easy Nixon, https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/238-028 (accessed October 10, 2026).