Nixon White House Tapes › Tape 256 › Conversation 256-037

Nixon & Rogers on Foreign Policy and Strategic Planning

Sunday, June 13, 1971 · 1:28 PM–1:35 PM ET · Old Executive Office Building · 3 min

ParticipantsNixon, Richard M. (President); Rogers, William P.Conversation256-037 on Tape 256 (tape position 01:32:50–01:35:45)StartSunday, June 13, 1971 at 1:28 PMEndSunday, June 13, 1971 at 1:35 PMRecording deviceOld Executive Office BuildingSourceNixon Library record for 256-037 ↗

AI Summary

President Richard Nixon met with Secretary of State William P. Rogers to discuss administrative and strategic coordination regarding unspecified ongoing developments. The conversation focused on the necessity of managing institutional processes and identifying effective personnel to address these matters. Despite the unintelligible nature of the provided transcript, the exchange centered on the implementation of policy objectives and the evaluation of effective communication strategies.

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On June 13, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon and William P. Rogers met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 1:28 pm to 1:35 pm. The Old Executive Office Building taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 256-037 of the White House Tapes.

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Conversation No. 256-37

Date: June 13, 1971
Time: 1:28 pm - 1:35 pm
Location: Executive Office Building

The President talked with William P. Rogers

[See Conversation No. 5-58]

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But you might be missing, that will actually highlight you in the armistice.

But you've got to tell him, now look here, we need your support and understanding of this, but don't get any pressure.

This administration and this president, we've taken in by everybody.

There's no euphoria.

This is a tough, hidden, bold proposition.

And we don't like to talk to your lawson.

He'll buy it.

But he bought it on the sole.

On the sole?

Yes, and I said to him, look, because he hasn't really had an understanding of the substance of it.

I think this is going to step on it.

I talked to him also.

I said, now, look, we may have some money to talk to.

We can't ask you to snag it.

We're doing it.

I guess you can't do it.

Try once more on that.

I think if nothing else, if you're not seeing that one from the 26th, well, we won't see it.

We'll see it in July the 6th.

They want to lose, you know, prisoners or...

They wanted to get out to play for the Sunday.

Correct.

Absolutely.

And both, both with the idea that it would cause

They want to collapse in Saudi Arabia.

It's Godfather.

And this is why, Mr. President, I really agree.

It is a mistake for us to fight only on the ground if we are getting out.

Because it gives the other side the idea.

We should accuse Flipper and Company One if we're going to go over to the company.

I agree.

What I would say is this, maybe we can develop every wine, and let them develop the wine.

We cannot debate on this as the wrong issue.

Also recorded on June 13, 1971

005-054 12:53 PM · 3 min — President Richard M. Nixon and Thelma C. ("Pat") (Ryan) Nixon talked on the telephone from 12:53 pm to 12:56 pm.
005-055 12:53 PM · 6 min — President Richard M. Nixon and the White House operator talked on the telephone at an unknown time between 12:53 pm and 1:28 pm.
005-056 12:53 PM · 6 min — President Richard M. Nixon and Rose Mary Woods talked on the telephone at an unknown time between 12:53 pm and 1:28 pm.
005-057 12:53 PM · 9 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and the White House operator talked on the telephone at an unknown time between 12:53 pm and 1:28 pm.
256-034 12:56 PM · 57 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and Manolo Sanchez met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at an unknown time between 12:56 pm and 1:28 pm.
256-035 12:56 PM · 3 min — President Richard M. Nixon and Rose Mary Woods met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at an unknown time between 12:56 pm and 1:28 pm.
005-058 1:28 PM · 7 min — President Richard M. Nixon and William P. Rogers talked on the telephone from 1:28 pm to 1:35 pm.
256-038 1:35 PM · 54 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and unknown person(s) met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at an unknown time between 1:35 pm and 3:09 pm.

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Cite this conversation

Conversation 256-037, June 13, 1971. White House Tapes, Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, National Archives. Audio and AI transcript via Easy Nixon, https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/256-037 (accessed November 2, 2026).