Nixon White House Tapes › Tape 406 › Conversation 406-056
Nixon, Heath & Trend on US-UK Relations and Diplomacy
Tuesday, January 30, 1973 · 4:08 PM–6:05 PM ET · Old Executive Office Building · 56 min
AI Summary
President Richard M. Nixon met with British Prime Minister Edward Heath, Sir Burke Trend, Henry Kissinger, and George Shultz to discuss diplomatic and policy matters. Due to the highly fragmentary and incoherent nature of the provided transcript, it is impossible to discern substantive policy developments or specific action items from this record. The conversation appears to lack a coherent topical focus, precluding a meaningful historical summary of the proceedings.
- US-UK Relations
- Diplomacy
- Edward Heath
- Foreign Policy
- White House Meetings
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This is more like the office.
We don't have any elephants or anything like that.
We don't have any elephants.
We don't have any elephants.
We don't have any elephants.
Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah.
Uh, it occurred to me that, uh, that Mike, uh, often said, uh, that something about the, uh, defense manager's generation, uh, was, uh, tolerated, and, uh, he was like, uh, I'm sure, uh, I, uh, I, uh, I, uh, I, uh, I, uh, I, uh,
I don't think I can go either way.
I'm sure that I can't recover from this.
I was in a great position because, on the other side of my official position, I was supposed to take on Jack, but he was the only one taking it.
It had to be Jack.
First of all, I do have a different position.
Of course, I'm going to do what I'm supposed to do.
That's right.
He's really back on it.
That's what I just knew.
So, uh, what did I get the first part of that whole thing?
This is important.
This is what the devil does to us.
The devil does this to us.
The devil does this to us.
Thank you.
I don't know.
We're ready to go.
We're ready to go.
We're ready to go.
Well, we thought...
We have a question.
Yeah, we're good.
Hey!
Hey!
I can't figure it out.
Okay.
They don't really have a voice, but that's a fact.
We actually want to hear it.
It's very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very,
So, like, yeah, we should have a comment.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I don't know if that's okay.
There's always a...
There's always a...
A great number of my lives I have lost are very fully shared.
I don't need this stuff.
dollars.
So the dollars, you know, the dollars are paid for by the church, by the church, by the church, by the church, by the church, by the church, by the church, by the church,
I'm excited about this.
I don't know if the bridge is locked in.
I have to go on my car.
I have to check my car.
I have to check my car.
I have to check my car.
I have to check my car.
They have to say that a lot of the sponsors, the commission, and then the board, and the board of trustees, and the powers of the college, a lot of the colleges, and a lot of the unions, and a lot of the things, may not be able to demonstrate what the penetration of the government is going to be.
There is no way.
We have a very small number.
We have a full list of numbers.
The power is now.
Also, you have to realize that the saints, the Christian Catholics, the Christians, the Muslims, the Muslims, and the saints, the United States, it's just awesome to admire them.
Get this comment, sir.
I'm going to read you a little bit about it.
We have to have that.
The problem is that this thing is all out of town.
No power.
I'll relate to this story.
Okay.
Okay.
And, uh, I don't think that's a bad thing.
I don't think that's a bad thing.
I don't think that's a bad thing.
I don't think that's a bad thing.
I don't think that's a bad thing.
I don't think that's a bad thing.
I don't think that's a bad thing.
Uh, so the first time I was asked to find out this county we're in, I was kind of just sitting there, uh, personally, thinking, wait, what, how, what's that, what's that, what's that, what's that, what's that, what's that, what's that, what's that,
Don't worry about it.
I'll be right back.
I'll be right back.
I'll be right back.
I'll be right back.
I'll be right back.
How would you feel about our end?
Well, I think the president, particularly the president of the organization, should have told me all the time when he talked to me.
... ... ... ... ...
I don't know.
Thank you.
I'm looking at you.
I'm very, very proud of you.
I'm very, very proud of you.
I'm very, very proud of you.
Thank you.
We've got a call.
We've got a call.
We've got a call.
We've got a call.
On the other hand, we have a better time than a three-month-old.
I mean, it's a six-year-old, and they're going to take care of the money for me.
And even I, you know, it's a great situation.
And so it's a different situation.
I mean, it's a different situation.
I mean, it's a different situation.
I mean, it's a different situation.
That's weird.
What do you have, do you have a problem with fire penalties, or fighting?
Where are we going to find that problem?
Yeah, as I said, uh, as far as we're going to be able to face those folks, uh, when we stop the region from doing this kind of thing, uh, my fear here is that, basically, there's a small island, and they can find remote stuff, but they're, they're hard.
So don't worry about, we're going to, we're going to bother them.
Miles and miles and miles.
But I'm not worried about it.
I'm not worried about it.
I'm not worried about it.
I'm not worried about it.
I'm not worried about it.
Well, let's get back to the, what, what do we, uh, what do we want to hear from the president?
Sure, well, we've got something on, uh, I heard what the president said, that, uh, we've got, uh, we've got, uh, we've got, uh, we've got, uh,
uh... uh...
and making us grow.
So, really, yeah, today is a, you know, it's not a special day.
I'm not going to tell you how to do it.
I'm going to tell you how to do it.
I'm going to tell you how to do it.
I'm going to tell you how to do it.
I'm going to tell you how to do it.
I'm going to tell you how to do it.
I'm going to tell you how to do it.
I'm going to tell you how to do it.
The question is, is this the best way forward?
What is the answer?
There's no answer.
They are in case report.
I agree with some part of it.
It's just, you know, that occupation is kind of something that I've been trying to think about.
I've been trying to think about it for a long time.
I've been trying to think about it for a long time.
Yeah, I know.
I can't go away from there.
Yeah, I know.
Yeah.
Yeah, we thought I'd go.
I got a taxi.
I'm like, great.
I'm sorry.
Did that come up when you reported the war crimes?
I mean, did that come up?
Yes, it did.
But I didn't know.
We didn't ever gather anything to tell us.
They all say what was the single best thing you've done for us?
The best thing I've done for you?
The best thing I've done for you?
The best thing I've done for you?
The best thing I've done for you?
The best thing I've done for you?
The best thing I've done for you?
The best thing I've done for you?
I don't know, I'm just a little bit of a perfectionist.
I don't know, I'm just a little bit of a perfectionist.
I don't know, I'm just a little bit of a perfectionist.
Good.
That's good to say.
That's good to say.
I don't know.
The whole, overall, overall, what it is, that's the price for the policy.
Great.
Great.
Great.
Great.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah.
I still can't get back to the plane.
I just can't.
I just can't allow it.
I'm arguing against what you're saying.
It does remind me of the hysterical reaction of the money.
There's no reason to let everything close.
NARA Description
On January 30, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon, Edward R. G. Heath, Sir Burke Trend, Henry A. Kissinger, and George P. Shultz met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 4:08 pm to 6:05 pm. The Old Executive Office Building taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 406-056 of the White House Tapes.
Nixon Library Finding Aid
Conversation No. 406-56 (cont’d)
Also recorded on January 30, 1973
- 406-052 1:40 PM · 11 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and unknown person(s) met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at an unknown time between 1:40 pm and 2:48 pm.
- 406-053 1:40 PM · 9 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and Manolo Sanchez met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at an unknown time between 1:40 pm and 2:48 pm.
- 406-054 2:48 PM · 3 min — President Richard M. Nixon and Stephen B. Bull met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 2:48 pm to 2:53 pm.
- 406-055 2:53 PM · 51 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and unknown person(s) met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at an unknown time between 2:53 pm and 2:56 pm.
- 406-019 5:30 PM · 18 min — President Richard M. Nixon and Henry A. Kissinger met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 5:30 pm to 5:50 pm.
- 406-020 6:08 PM · 15 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at an unknown time between 6:08 pm and 6:15 pm.
- 406-021 6:08 PM · 13 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and Manolo Sanchez met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at an unknown time between 6:08 pm and 6:15 pm.
- 406-022 6:15 PM · 31 min — President Richard M. Nixon and H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at an unknown time between 6:15 pm and 6:45 pm.
Cite this conversation
Conversation 406-056, January 30, 1973. White House Tapes, Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, National Archives. Audio and AI transcript via Easy Nixon, https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/406-056 (accessed October 9, 2026).