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Nixon, Ziegler & Bull on Watergate and Record-keeping

Monday, June 4, 1973 · 7:47 PM–8:40 PM ET · Old Executive Office Building · 5 min

ParticipantsNixon, Richard M. (President); Bull, Stephen B.; Ziegler, Ronald L.Conversation442-054 on Tape 442StartMonday, June 4, 1973 at 7:47 PMEndMonday, June 4, 1973 at 8:40 PMRecording deviceOld Executive Office BuildingSourceNixon Library record for 442-054 ↗

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President Nixon, Stephen Bull, and Ronald Ziegler met to organize and clarify recollections of specific meetings and reports dating back to March 1973. The discussion centered on identifying the contents and accuracy of records regarding White House meetings, particularly concerning a rejected report and potential leaks. Nixon instructed his staff to verify these accounts and finalize their recollections to ensure a consistent administrative record.

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So we haven't really stated, I don't see the list there, but Ron can check on it.
Ron is one of the things we want to check on from March the 20th to August the 21st.
uh, the conversation relates to something, a copy of something, apparently a report.
Dean Moore came in this evening about Ziegler, that he had given a copy of the Ziegler Rebellion.
He said it raised as many questions as it can choose.
Remember that?
Just be sure to write your best recollection of that.
Now, the thing is, we've got as
See, you showed us the one that you wanted to be wrong, Jack and Dick Mohler, that he drank lunch and I got mad.
So I had to listen to him.
I said, I can't tell you, they're not done, they're going to be hurt.
I said, it was during March 14th, the meeting with Don Schwartz.
I said, excuse me, you've got one already, and I had one already.
Got it.
What is the problem?
The problem about what?
The EOD?
The EOD?
Which one do you have?
I had to do that.
I had to do that.
I had to do that.
I had to do that.
I had to do that.
I had to do that.
I had to do that.
I had to do that.
Alright, a morning session.
Leaking, Ziegler, and Mohler.
On the 14th.
I was there all the time.
I was there too.
On the 14th also.
I'm not going to .
You've got that.
That's the one that you just said about here.
Crap about the press conference.
I don't know about the press conference, but it's a positive statement.
Nobody in Hawaii knows about it at all.
You've got that.
Then on March 19th, March 19th, March 19th, March 19th, March 19th,
If what was the relationship between the voices of men and women is not related at all to gender, I don't know what would have created it.
This was a statement.
The board and dean had worked up to publish a so-called report.
It was rejected because it raised too many questions as an answer to this line.
I just want to be sure.
You get more, you know, and you're very indisciplined.
But nail it down.
Now, you understand.
We're going to start at 14, right?
Yes, sir.
14.
A meeting at the EOB, right?
Yes, sir.
On March...
Thank you, sir.
March the 19th.
I'll be back with more, indeed, in the O.C.
office.
This is from 5 to 5.41, about 35 minutes.
We'll be asking more of what the hell is recollection is on that.
I'll be back with a million more again on March the 20th.
Wait a minute, am I listening to that now?
Yes, that's it.
I've got that.
I've got that on.
I've got that on.
I've got it on.
I've got it on.
I've got it on.
I've got it on.
He was there for a portion of the time.
Yeah, almost all of them.
It was 527 Central Line.
I left Dan Barrow.
I don't want to keep you from something else.
No, sir.
There's nothing more important.
I'm trying to find Dan Barrow.
Thank you.

NARA Description

On June 4, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon, Stephen B. Bull, and Ronald L. Ziegler met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at an unknown time between 7:47 pm and 8:40 pm. The Old Executive Office Building taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 442-054 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid

Conversation No. 442-054

Date: June 4, 1973
Time: Unknown between 7:47 pm and 8:40 pm
Location: Executive Office Building

The President met with Stephen B. Bull.

[A transcript of the following portion of this conversation was initially prepared for the
Watergate Special Prosecution Force (WSPF) and can be found in Record Group (RG) 460, Box
172, “Transcript Prepared by the Impeachment Inquiry Staff for the House Judiciary
Committee…,” pages 127-133 (.pdf page 132-138). The Nixon Presidential Materials Staff
reviewed the transcript and made changes as necessary. This transcript has been reviewed under
the provisions of the Presidential Recordings and Materials Preservation Act of 1974 (PRMPA).
The National Archives does not guarantee its accuracy.]

[Begin transcribed portion]

Ronald L. Ziegler entered at an unknown time after 7:47 pm.

Ziegler left at an unknown time before 8:40 pm.

Bull left at an unknown time before 8:40 pm.

[End transcribed portion]

       Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, NARA Online Public Access Catalog Identifier: 597542

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Cite this conversation

Conversation 442-054, June 4, 1973. White House Tapes, Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, National Archives. Audio and AI transcript via Easy Nixon, https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/442-054 (accessed October 1, 2026).