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Well, I'm going to park something that's easy.

Because he did such a great job.

Also, here's the jersey.

I don't know what he's saying.

I don't know.

Even if it's not a state visit, we are asking you because it isn't too much of a budget problem.

It's a nice way to talk to you and introduce you to the staff.

And, uh, in the name of Nick, come on right up.

It's not called Jack Cuts when he comes here.

He stays at the letterhouse and comes into the colony.

It means a great deal.

Okay.

I'll see you.

I think it's a good news.

It's just a gracious thing to do.

I've never forgotten.

They feel that.

I remember in Bangkok.

Take the Thailand and the East and the Central States.

And I hope y'all sleep with yourself in the capital of Spain.

And in fact, in New York.

So, what do you do?

Run around with somebody?

Yeah.

That must have occurred to you.

Must have occurred to me.

Oh, I can start with this.

Senator, I don't know.

President comes to this country, even though I can only give him a half hour, he ought to stay as a state guest.

Yep.

And it'd be a nice touch.

The play that we were meeting showed you the great importance of doing something when an issue is number one.

Yep.

And we're going to have another meeting next week, right?

Not a very moderate play.

That picture with Edgar Hoover, uh, got into most of the papers about it.

Certainly, the papers have got some light.

They've got an invention of some networks with this film.

It wasn't just mentioned, was it?

Yeah.

Why did, why did Bob, it's got a number on the safety?

Because it's goddamn good with navigation.

Sure, we're stuck with him anyway.

You know, here again,

You'll get, in your stat, you'll get a mixed view because, uh, Hoover's bad and all that sort of thing.

We're struggling with Bob.

He's like a Vietnam War.

He's bad.

But we know what the polls show on Hoover.

They think he's too old.

He's not retired, but they showed it for Hoover and for the FBI.

I'll actually go to the Supreme Court and find my tire.

Yep.

Rose, can you check one thing for me, please?

I don't know whether we thought of it, but we've got to be sure Hoover's invited to that election.

Yes, sir.

That's why I called those friends, you know.

He isn't waiting for the train of people to come.

Well, he isn't meeting people.

I know.

That's what Patrick had in mind.

Well, we shouldn't go to, we shouldn't go to the island because... Oh, no.

Pete's team is going to happen.

Well, I would say he doesn't rank.

He doesn't rank.

I think they're eating it without me to be here.

See, you know, the price when they're fighting, that's not, oh, that's not any word for me.

I mean, it's just, you know...

Oh, you see, I've got a couple of them separated out there.

I see them just straight out.

We lost his invitation.

I'll take it.

Well, I didn't go to Julie's.

I didn't go to Julie's.

You would have been proud to hear that he picked up the child last night.

They were just... Oh, that's nice.

They were happy to hear it.

I said, you know, you know, they said, you know, Thomas is fucking me to come, but I...

I truly called and said I shouldn't.

No, I'll tell you, it... Because I don't...

They came for us.

I don't know.

I bet she was there.

I don't know what she looks like, but... Oh, she's a nasty little bitch.

I...

There was no need for you to... Well, I used to go to every little thing, you know.

I mean, I...

I should have known that, but I'll be going to Lawson that time with the diplomatic reception, for example, but I shouldn't.

But Walter's going to show up at the showers, didn't he?

I don't know.

I sent the note on the internet.

I thought he had to know it in case they asked me.

Well, Julie called me and said, there's a baseball game on the internet.

I said, that's Julie.

She's crazy.

She kicked it off.

But how was the showers?

It was fun.

It was fun, too.

It was just perfect.

With that plank gift, she ran it out.

She's fighting the person in the room, you know, the face of the man.

Um, and the only time I went to be in great debt, that I don't like to hear it later, you better than I do, whatever it means, I'd like to rock her head off.

Because I don't want to talk to her.

She came up to me, she said,

That Mrs. Cox was lovely.

Oh, I thought she looked like a cat.

And so, I don't know.

I don't know.

You don't want me to say not have as much as you have.

Sorry, sorry, sorry.

I mean, you know her.

She don't want me to say that.

She wants you to say that as much as you have.

I don't care what she did to me.

The best

I saw Cornell, and Parmier, and Calum Thomas, and Bill Tice, and so forth.

They all write bland, generally embarrassing, you know, go rave, and that's fun, that's the kind of writing I like.

Oh, I must say, you know, the water people wrote pretty, pretty jazzy stuff about that Southern trip.

It was really, yeah, I think we must have shipped them or something.

Because it's very funny how he was written on that, on that tremendous enthusiasm.

I know you're talking about our current bank, rather.

Now, that's something that you have to go through, and that's unincorrected.

Out of 160,000 people, that was a concerted estimate.

These are signs.

Thousands of people have been flagged, so far.

We've found three.

three signs about freedom of choice.

And his commentary is about freedom of choice in Alabama and the people of Michigan, Alabama.

There wasn't a move, there was whatever, two radicals at one point.

That one little question that we're in the head of, chapter one, two, three, four, five hundred cops were almost running over the walls.

Well, Paul Haley and several others said it was absolutely tempting, and they felt that it actually certainly was than anything close to what he'd done in his life.

Yeah, that's a long line.

Oh, that's what he said.

He said that yours was so great and that it was, it just, a lot of that, obviously, they've been talking about.

Wallace did, too, but a little guy that he latched on to the president.

He wasn't allowed to go to the library.

Yeah, I think that was a good time.

I was talking to my host, Larry O'Brien, and we talked about the North.

Yes, I'm being incredible.

I've been saying that for many years, exactly right.

You're still 50, huh?

Have you been singing that song?

I've been singing that song.

Yeah, and I've said it in the press conference, I can believe in the devil's name.

And I believe in the creator of that shape of it.

Well, they shouldn't be talking about it.

Well, look, you can't be talking about kids.

You know, they're kids, by the way.

Well, they're animals, they're not, in Virginia.

They did.

I don't think it's right.

But I think that they, I think the sudden trip and having David and Julie along was just right.

I think it was perfect having them.

I actually had a hell of a play out there with Preston.

Did they finally get some TV on down there?

Yeah.

I hope so.

It wouldn't get very much.

And Eric Young said that you were bringing Texas to him.

That I got from a lot of Democrats all the time.

And reporters and people.

But it was just... One time I was just such a thrill to just see you there.

You know, the whole thing.

I think that's a great product.

Sounded like it anyway.

Well, the Texas system was.

Well, the whole thing.

Well, he was gracious and all.

Heard it in the way of those other people.

They don't have that.

They show no grace.

They have nothing.

They're mean, vicious old vultures.

We have walls down here.

I'm sure that's why.

I like that.

I'm sure that's why I got those wooden ones.

Sure, because these other people felt that this was a great, as far as you can tell, state of it.

Shut down for a bit.

He just wouldn't try it.

It's not any more important than that.

So it's pretty obvious to be honest with him.

Wallace says he's going to have us.

He's going to have us.

He's going to have us anyway we want.

He's going to have us and keep us down.

I haven't done that in a long time.

Well, let me say this.

I am obliged to do this.

You watch, of course, to be sure.

Neither Henry nor Steve.

It will be better than Henry.

Slip in.

That's not the future.

Slip in.

Unless, I mean, that's why I want to.

But, you know, because I was an easy marcher and everything, Senegal comes, and what he did for Southland and somebody else, I never want to happen to much.

I mean, I'm strapped up next week.

That's all I'm going to do.

We get these things.

Well, we actually, well, Mousetrap just was changing the date for the press conference.

We loved it.

This is well better tomorrow.

We loved it.

For tomorrow, we wouldn't have had to do this.

We would have still gotten trapped in the surroundings.

They obviously were out because of it.

All the other things.

We haven't done one for a long time.

We're never a problem.

Never a problem.

I don't mind having the rattles any time.

The thing is, I just think we've got a little amount of time.

I don't want to get trapped in the rattles or accidents.

There's a real problem.

If God had an accident, I'm not going to do it.

If we'll have an accident, he said, yes, we're going to have one.

That's enough.

It's going to have a little flax in there.

30, 35, 40, you've got that.

But a lot of flax in the street house.

Even in Senegal.

Some of them can stay there.

It's only for a couple of nights.

In each case, where it's a non-official visit, it's going to be a two-night stay.

In Washington, you could go to three rooms.

But not beyond that.

We can't have somebody stuck out there for a week.

Speaking of this business of getting back to work,

I thought it would get a play, but I didn't know it would get that much play.

Now, I think that you could have, I think maybe if you had more, I don't think Brown will see it, and I don't think Lyons sees it, of course, or any of the others.

They do see it, but they're so busy in the day-to-day operations.

What you've got to see is opportunity.

Come in, Mike.

It's Mike.

He's got to be the other dude.

He should be, too.

Scali should be just made to order.

Maybe you should have a meeting each day, Bob.

Or with Scali Klein.

Not Klein, Dunn-Pleasant, I hear.

Scali.

Moore.

What's it really?

Colson.

Colson's judge was not good as to what kind of meeting to have.

He had a drive to Hillock.

If you could have told them, no, I did, I did.

You wouldn't use this as an example.

Here's the Uber.

Use it as an example.

All right, my boss, let's watch.

What is the story?

Let's see how we can advance the presidency to that.

You see, you compare that.

We have not had the Uber thing.

All they would have had to run was the arts story.

Okay.

Now, who the hell wanted to hear the arts?

It got very good play in

right where it should be, in the arts section of the arts, you know, the music and theater section.

If that's what you want, because then only the people are going to hear it, but if that had been the only story, that would be pretty sad, wouldn't it?

Yeah.

It's a limited council for the arts.

It tells the people we're going to spend $30 million for art, but it's not going to be good.

That's just the time they need it.

But I do think this goes, let's grab the good stories, let's grab the good stories.

This thing now is much like a politician.

Every time, what he says is true.

It's going so much that they, I don't know, maybe it's our fight or something.

I was thinking, you know, it shows you how you're just so right.

Nobody jumped on that police thing.

Actually, nobody did.

Nobody in here said, you know, my guy's got to do something about the police.

He should go up to New York to the funeral or anything like that.

I've had three different calls on the person who ought to do something about that black girl who was shot yesterday.

It's really kind of a fascinating thing.

Now, that's a tragedy, too.

But it's not nearly the tragedy in my view that

It's senseless and all that, but it turned to hell.

Cops are out trying to, trying to save, help people.

There was an agency that called around, they said there were 12 people who were murdered in California.

And also it was a tragedy scene.

Yeah.

More so, really.

They called back 100 murderers.

Yeah, 100 murderers.

Except they were murdered by another Mexican, too.

Yeah, they weren't white.

They weren't black.

I'm sorry about the little blacker.

Right, right.

I don't know.

Well, we will, of course, but I have not done anything.

I have not had a statement about it.

I don't know what that thing, what the name of it was all about.

That's what it was originally.

It was a senseless killing.

A little black girl, white little girl, who had just graduated from high school and got the award for the most cooperative girl.

Her son was walking home.

Three people drove by in a car and shot her.

So in the name of God, where?

Why?

There's been some racial tension.

I mean, don't tell the cops.

That's a purely senseless kind of thing.

No, I just, Coles and I came in and gave them a little call about a police man who was supposed to be a cop.

But he had thought of several things about the jail.

I don't know what he said.

Were they gone?

I would say we read the letter just now.

Yeah.

To get them off.

Because I respect the rule.

He wasn't.

I didn't have any sense of it.

You need to read it, sir.

I'd like to watch it.

I don't want to sit around with a bunch of people gassed up, drinking wine and so forth and having a little chat.

I did it for Keith and a couple of others.

And it's a very enjoyable case for what I'm concerned about.

That's great for a few, but the best thing to do when I am around here, for example, is to put the goddamn thing on as a blacktop and expand it.

with 50 people.

And I'd sit and talk to him, which is all he wants to work on.

You know, I found that every time, the guy was talking to me and all it makes for me to have the working things.

And I had to make conversation with all the people around the table.

Well, you'd have to get it down to about 10 people.

You can't talk to more than 10 people.

You've got to be at that little table.

You've got to be sitting in there.

And inevitably you say, well, what do you think?

What do you think, Jack?

It's just too much work.

And I think that is one place where you can compliment people.

You know what I'm saying?

Sure.

They love to come.

And let them out because they can stand around and gas a little.

Go ahead and put their hot pickles in there.

There's no work that you can get done in one of those anyway.

All you can do is eat lunch and submit.

That goes without saying.

And the only purpose of that is to allow entertainment to make it appear that it's not entertainment.

Yeah.

But it is a total death bomb.

But you can still call it a death bomb unless you can have 100 people.

You can call it a working life.

I don't want to be a problem.

I'm just going to be a lunch boy.

The point is that for me, I do not like ever to have anything where I invite 100 people.

I don't want to have a sandwich.

I call the cafeteria.

Should we bring in our new congressman from

Maryland, I think we ought to fire him to the left.

That was a hell of a victory.

Mandela was determined to beat us on that, and he failed.

But it's a good... Sure.

He ran as a solid Nixon man, and the other guy ran as a solid anti-administration man.

So it was an administration referendum, and we won it pretty well.

Solidly Democratic.

Oh, I know some of these people are Maryland murderers.

Well, Ross was calling a couple of weeks ago saying, we've got a chance to win this thing.

And I thought he was out of his mind.

And I was like, you know, oh, yeah.

Yeah, because the theory had always been that that was a large democracy, not a republic.

It was, yeah, 5,000, 6,000, 4,000, 31 to 27,000.

Also, is that as good?

$4,000.

You'll be able to see it coming now?

Sure.

If he's any good at all, I assume he will be.

He was born as AA.

So he ran us.

Isn't that great?

I'm going to run us and bring him in today.

I think we'll see.

All those vote victories.

That Hughes vote is being played as a major victory, which it should be.

It was.

Hughes.

They don't know what the hell you're up to.

I don't think you should sit down about it.

He's an absolute ghost and so is his friend Harris.

He was coming up.

It was a funny thing.

The Harris thing.

Art Bowles and also Gallops have shown all this for the last few months.

They've been a hit in all the travel things.

Harris has shown up there several times.

It's been an upturn for whatever reason.

I think it's because of his voice.

I think it probably gets awkward as we've been talking to them, see?

But not today, I was bothered.

I don't know if you'll believe it, but in the morning we got the chance to do it, but I remember it is 15 minutes, so you're straight back to breathing, you know, by that schedule.

So I got this, basically a symbolic time, so I just had it for 20 minutes, but I, uh, that's all.

What about the meeting I just mentioned?

Oh yeah, Steve Grohl.

Steve Grohl.

We'll do that right after the Rockies meet.

Yeah, good.

Rockies.

Okay, you said it on the hand order at 1.30.

Maybe.

I think not.

We'll just call it.

It's about the certificate.

That's what they do.

And then they let her, you know, do the validity and put the name of the man.

That's right.

It's really a very handsome thing.

What that means to the whole department is that the Poloka High School are a Cub Scout Troop 18.

The little Cub Scouts, each of those little Cub Scout Troop Troops, and each of the ROTC units, S.I.

schools, and each of the, uh, don't get the fire stations that count.

The real class, boy, they pull out those fire engines, all the firemen saluted, and the Rad Cub Scouts, the ROTC, did their stuff.

And they think it's that glass that will ricochet all through those places and let's go to all of them in the future.

That is infinitely better than Miami to Ronald Anderson.

Sure, isn't it?

Sure.

All right.

Well, it looks like one.

You know, you have that on the wall of the high school.

Well, of course, the presidential visit was competent.

It won't be old.

Very good.

Even when we go back to places like Los Angeles for our high school letters, I know a man that promised they'd love to have a certificate of appreciation for that.

Sure.

Hey, what else is interesting?

Well, that was the day I read it.

It was a very, considerably very light news day, actually, which is why it was good to have done that.

It picked up a time when there wasn't much competition, which gave it a good balance, didn't it?

They played them on TV and played them well because they used it as the lead to the police funeral.

See, there was a second police funeral at the Capitol.

The Italian's funeral was yesterday at the Capitol.

The black funeral was the day before.

And so they did the lead in President Nixon's, you know, getting things going, doing something about killing policemen and all that.

And then they cut to the funeral and ran the footage.

And I'm trying to get an announcement out tomorrow about the police meeting.

I can't wait to get the announcement that they've got better than a 4 o'clock.

Yeah, I told them to take it out at 18 o'clock.

I heard Elliot's feelings, but not them.

Just like Kurt Finch's before.

Bob, they aren't the right people to handle the bill problem.

They've been having it.

They screwed it up.

Sure, because what you want is a heart clean.

You don't want understanding.

I don't want psychiatry.

No, what you want is to get the dope feathers by the balls and smash it.

I want to smash the dope cutters.

I want to use marijuana.

I'm sure we'll start there.

And of course, methadone and all the rest.

I'll give that to you.

That's right.

I don't have any cure.

But boy, if I were you, I would sure stay away from the cures because there's a lot of numbers to what it is.

I understand.

Methadone may be as bad as marijuana.

That's right.

Let them experiment with that.

All you have to do is be hard on against the stuff.

Well, I'm against it.

Well, you need some moral force.

You really do.

And they talk about the president's moral force on racial stuff.

You need it on Bill.

You need the president saying this is bad.

Yeah.

We haven't heard about the president tomorrow.

We hear the president's at work.

Frankly, they need moral force in terms of standing up to the police.

But parents need it for their kids on the dope thing.

It's hard as hell to talk to your kids about dope.

And how you need some.

I think you have to have a speech on it sometime.

I think you do.

A national speech on it.

I think you do.

I don't know what it is.

Why I'm against it.

Listen carefully.

You think it's your grade?

I think you're reading the problems from it.

But it ought to be a short radio talk that could then be used in school rooms.

And that kind of thing.

In other words, we could make quite a lot of TV.

Or a short talk.

Or a short talk about using our educational TV for once.

On this one.

That would be a pretty good one for education.

And you live with charts and everything.

And I just sit there like a teacher and explain the thing.

Now that's one thing, you know, I have to do sometime even in this whole foreign policy area.

I need to take a foreign policy part of this.

and just give a little understanding.

College lecture, what the hell this is all about.

That's very impressive to people, Bob.

I can do it without any notes or any of that sort of stuff.

And as you said, I think we made some magical overlords.

It's easy to make, but it's easier.

Some magical overlords, you're trying to read every goddamn thing you want to do.

Paraphrasis throws a bunch of weird shit.

Now, there's some real value at times, and you're just talking to people.

I never thought we'd be hard of people, but really, it was a nice talk.

I'm afraid I can't seem to compare it to what we were doing.

We had one thing in mind.

One, we could do this together.

Two, we could build this and the other thing.

There's a mile up ahead of us.

It's time.

But I have just a few minutes to talk to you.

We're out of this meeting, but maybe we should do that at the King's Mansion.

We won't have to go eat at my home.

It won't take very long.

Well, it was agreed that it would be discussed simultaneously.

Why are the studies going on yet?

I don't know.

All I want is that they don't let the concluding session tomorrow make a reference.

By July, we'll have to settle.

Charlie has warned that Sembionic will sail tomorrow.

At first we do this, and then we do that.

And that wouldn't be good.

And I think I can get that settled.

Well, I say, since the whole purpose of the deal, it's indecisive.

That's great.

We'll put the letters out.

That's great.

Well, the thing to do is to simply, no, we don't have a public council.

They both have a public council.

I noticed it's not like that they got any cover on, uh, uh, I noticed it's so different than usually when they're talking about the version of Dr. Frog.

And we, uh, and, well, it's the way we expect it to be.

And, uh, and they're, uh,

their comments about the UAR and the response to that.

What I mean is, we are, we have a situation here where that means

It's so hostile to us that we therefore have got to deal with those things that there are in this culture, in this conventional platform.

Actually, I think the Russians are really bad at the gangsters as Italians.

The Chinese are almost everywhere.

That's not all.

The Chinese are up with it.

They're both out together.

The Chinese will probably go for a big knockout while the Russians will try to lead us to death.

that the president called to your attention when he saw those new signs.

He said, now look, we're not a good kind of interested in this kind of thing.

They want to play that kind of a game that all bets are off.

And I think we've got to get to some of the things faster than I agree.

And actually, Simon, you let me get back to you so it's all right.

Come on, boy.

And I put it right to him hard.

I'll tell you what I knew.

I'll tell you.

But the threat has to be that if they can't accept it now, we won't go in September, no matter what they do.

Yeah.

That's the threat we have.

Otherwise, it's fleeting.

That's what it is, man.