Nixon White House Tapes › Tape 514 › Conversation 514-014

Nixon, Woods & Bull on Social Scheduling and Jack and Helene Drown

Tuesday, June 8, 1971 · 2:57 PM–3:03 PM ET · Oval Office · 6 min

ParticipantsNixon, Richard M. (President); Woods, Rose Mary; Bull, Stephen B.Conversation514-014 on Tape 514 (tape position 03:11:51–03:18:17)StartTuesday, June 8, 1971 at 2:57 PMEndTuesday, June 8, 1971 at 3:03 PMRecording deviceOval OfficeSourceNixon Library record for 514-014 ↗

AI Summary

President Nixon, Rose Mary Woods, and Stephen B. Bull met to coordinate the logistics and guest list for upcoming social engagements, specifically involving Jack and Helene Drown. The discussion focused on managing Helene Drown’s potential attendance at First Lady Pat Nixon’s scheduled trip to Rochester, New York, due to concerns regarding social etiquette and media exposure. Rose Mary Woods took action items to coordinate these schedules and handle communications with Bebe Rebozo to ensure the President maintained necessary time for rest.

Social Scheduling
Pat Nixon
Rose Mary Woods
Jack and Helene Drown
Public Relations
Presidential Downtime

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Julie knows her mother has invited her to study after the wedding.

She has no idea how long.

I know that the drones arrive tomorrow night, Jack and Elaine, the two boys, and the daughter and her husband arrive the next night at the Watergate.

They are registered to stay in there until leaving Monday morning.

Julie thinks that they might be planning to go to New York.

Apparently.

Maybe one day or so.

Except Pat's the one she didn't like to really take, Helene, because she's shopping and all because she's nasty to the people.

Well, she's allowed.

She's allowed, and she's seen it all.

There's a hell of a lot of that.

You know how it is if you listen.

Yeah, so Julia was just about saying, well, maybe the thing would be, you know, to tell Pat about Rochester, because not so much had to take it.

And that

from there to Maine.

And, you know, this just won't be real for Helaine.

Pat won't want her to go to Rochester, because she does not like this, and I don't blame her.

She should not share the spotlight.

And Helaine is so dumb that she won't stay out of the picture.

I'll help.

I'll take a lot of them off and pick the right ones and so forth.

I believe that I would.

I think you could raise the Rochester thing with Pat this week, but we don't want to announce it if you don't want to, but we are going, we're going to have a reception by the Board of Alerts and Social Perspectives, which you'll have to make an address for on media people.

They're asking for both of them appropriately.

Good city, which you have one.

That, and she raises the election problem, then you just speak up and say, I don't take her.

Cause you know, you're gonna be out there in this beautiful, this island with its houses.

Not one of us.

There he is.

I don't know if we're gonna be there in close quarters.

And I think we'll just, I'll mention the Rochester thing and say that, I don't know, she told me Delaney was going to come, so I'll say that if Delaney's coming, that means she'll have to leave Thursday because you're going to leave Friday.

Yes, just saying that we, that you, we checked it out.

And then I just got a hard thing to go that I will, I just cannot have, I cannot in this period of time, period of time.

I cannot have a situation where I, uh, deny myself a ten-and-a-half-year-old situation.

Sorry.

You know what, if he provides a ten-and-a-half-year-old situation, I have a ten-and-a-half-year-old situation.

Well, they're coming down tomorrow.

These are the things they gave her brothers to give you.

I guess they're always going to stop.

So maybe, could you keep doing that, and then throwing your little cat at the same time?

Get out of there, you!

NARA Description

On June 8, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon, Rose Mary Woods, and Stephen B. Bull met in the Oval Office of the White House from 2:57 pm to 3:03 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 514-014 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid

Conversation No. 514-14

Date: June 8, 1971
Time: 2:57 pm - 3:03 pm
Location: Oval Office

The President met with Rose Mary Woods

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[Previous PRMPA Personal Returnable (G) withdrawal reviewed under deed of gift 12/18/2019. 3m
43s segment cleared for release. 2m 44s remain closed as 514-014-w001.]
[Personal Returnable]
[514-014-w001]
[Duration: 3m 43s]

     Jack Drown and Helene (Colesie) Drown
          -Rose Mary Wood’s previous conversation with Julie Nixon Eisenhower
               -Invitation
               -Arrival

                     -June 9, 1971
                     -The Drown’s children
                -Watergate Hotel
                -Departure
                     -June 14, 1971
                -Helene (Colesie) Drown’s schedule
                     -Forthcoming trip to New York
                           -Thelma C. (Ryan) (“Pat”) Nixon
                     -Rochester, New York trip
                           -June 18, 1971
                     -Maine trip
                     -Rochester, New York trip
                           -Announcement
                           -Thelma C. (Ryan) (“Pat”) Nixon
                           -Reception
                           -Media
                           -Accompaniment in Maine

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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO.1
[Personal Returnable]
[514-014-w001]
[Duration: 2m 44s]

Stephen B. Bull entered at unknown time after 2:57 pm

Bull left at unknown time before 2:59 pm

END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 1

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     Helene (Colesie) Drown
          -Rochester, New York trip
               -Schedule
                     -June 18, 1971
               -Rose Mary Woods’ forthcoming conversation
               -Charles G. (“Bebe”) Rebozo

                        -Reasoning
                             -The President’s need for rest

     Jack Drown and Helene (Colesie) Drown
          -Arrival time
                -June 9, 1971
          -William H. Carruthers

     Rose Mary Woods’ instructions
          -Charles G. (“Bebe”) Rebozo

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Woods left at 3:03 pm

Also recorded on June 8, 1971

514-022 1:38 PM · 2 min — United States Secret Service agents met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 1:38 pm and 2:57 pm.
004-072 1:45 PM · 15 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and Stephen B. Bull talked on the telephone from 1:45 pm to 1:46 pm.
004-073 1:46 PM · 19 min — Tricia Nixon Cox, White House operator, unknown person(s), and Jeffrey Donfeld talked on the telephone at an unknown time between 1:46 pm and 6:50 pm.
004-074 1:46 PM · 6 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and the White House operator talked on the telephone at an unknown time between 1:46 pm and 6:50 pm.
514-015 3:03 PM · 1 hr 19 min — President Richard M. Nixon, Julian Goodman, Walter D. Scott, David Adams, Thomas E. Ervin, Reuven Frank, Donald Durgin, Herbert G. Klein, Charles W. Colson, and Ronald L. Ziegler met in the Oval Office of the White House from 3:03 pm to 4:34 pm.
514-016 4:34 PM · 8 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and Stephen B. Bull met in the Oval Office of the White House from 4:34 pm to 4:35 pm.
514-017 4:34 PM · 1 min — Charles W. Colson and Manolo Sanchez met in the Oval Office of the White House from 4:34 pm to 4:35 pm.
514-018 4:35 PM · 34 min — President Richard M. Nixon, Charles W. Colson, Stephen B. Bull, and H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman met in the Oval Office of the White House from 4:35 pm to 5:12 pm.

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Cite this conversation

Conversation 514-014, June 8, 1971. White House Tapes, Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, National Archives. Audio and AI transcript via Easy Nixon, https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/514-014 (accessed October 12, 2026).