Nixon White House Tapes › Tape 260 › Conversation 260-005

Nixon alone in his EOB office on First Lady and Social scheduling

Friday, July 2, 1971 · 4:08 PM–4:12 PM ET · Old Executive Office Building · 4 min

ParticipantsNixon, Richard M. (President); Nixon, Thelma C. ("Pat") (Ryan)Conversation260-005 on Tape 260 (tape position 00:40:56–00:45:22)StartFriday, July 2, 1971 at 4:08 PMEndFriday, July 2, 1971 at 4:12 PMRecording deviceOld Executive Office BuildingSourceNixon Library record for 260-005 ↗

President Richard Nixon and First Lady Pat Nixon held a brief, informal meeting in the Old Executive Office Building. The conversation primarily consisted of social pleasantries and a discussion regarding the First Lady's potential attendance at an upcoming event. No significant policy decisions were reached during this short interaction.

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Uh-oh.
Well, how did everybody feel?
Did you take her upstairs?
Yeah, I was there.
Yeah.
Yeah, that was great.
Was she right after you?
Oh, I know she's been there.
I know she's been there.
She's a beautiful wife.
Oh, she loved that.
Yeah.
Well, I know she's a very lovely person.
I was so surprised with her.
She's very pretty.
She's nice.
She's very emotional.
She's really great.
You know, Bill Ryan remarked, those big chairs, you know, you don't look a big crowd.
Elevator.
Right, right, right.
Well, we've come here with a lot of people here today and wanted to get their things.
You know, it's been better than I think Tom had it, and I think we've been in the park for 29 years.
So, you know, this is the first time in 29 years I've ever had a pipe leak in a lighthouse.
He's a nice man.
I know.
She told you that about herself.
What did he say to you?
I don't know.
They might want to go over.
I mean, I don't know what they want to do.
Tomorrow night, they're going to have about 70 people in the hard times.
A lot of audience.
Do you want to go or not?
It would be nice if you didn't go, but you don't have to.
It would be nice if you didn't go, but you don't have to.
It would be nice if you didn't go, but you don't have to.
It would be nice if you didn't go, but you don't have to.
Thank you.

On July 2, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon and Thelma C. ("Pat") (Ryan) Nixon met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 4:08 pm to 4:12 pm. The Old Executive Office Building taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 260-005 of the White House Tapes.

Conversation No. 260-5

Date: July 2, 1971
Time: 4:08 pm - 4:12 pm
Location: Old Executive Office Building

The President talked with Thelma C. (“Pat”) Nixon.

[See Conversation No. 6-91; one item has been withdrawn from the conversation]
  • 006-090 4:02 PM · 8 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and the White House operator talked on the telephone at an unknown time between 4:02 pm and 4:08 pm.
  • 261-052 4:02 PM · 12 min — President Richard M. Nixon and John K. Andrews, Jr. met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at an unknown time between 4:02 pm and 4:08 pm.
  • 537-003 4:02 PM · 2 min — unknown person(s) met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 4:02 pm and 4:08 pm.
  • 006-091 4:08 PM · 4 min — President Richard M. Nixon, Thelma C. ("Pat") (Ryan) Nixon, and H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman talked on the telephone from 4:08 pm to 4:12 pm.
  • 260-006 4:12 PM · 2 min — President Richard M. Nixon and unknown person(s) met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at an unknown time between 4:12 pm and 4:14 pm.
  • 260-007 4:12 PM · 2 min — President Richard M. Nixon and the White House operator met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at an unknown time between 4:12 pm and 4:14 pm.
  • 006-092 4:13 PM · 6 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and the White House operator talked on the telephone at 4:13 pm.
  • 006-093 4:14 PM · 7 min — President Richard M. Nixon and Charles W. Colson talked on the telephone from 4:14 pm to 4:22 pm.

Conversation 260-005, July 2, 1971. White House Tapes, Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, National Archives. Audio and AI transcript via Easy Nixon, https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/260-005 (accessed October 5, 2026).