Nixon White House Tapes › Tape 621 › Conversation 621-033

Nixon with unidentified visitors in the Oval Office on Kent State University

Monday, November 22, 1971 · 8:08 AM–8:20 AM ET · Oval Office · 7 min

ParticipantsNixon, Richard M. (President); [Unknown person(s)]Conversation621-033 on Tape 621 (tape position 03:40:40–03:47:41)StartMonday, November 22, 1971 at 8:08 AMEndMonday, November 22, 1971 at 8:20 AMRecording deviceOval OfficeSourceNixon Library record for 621-033 ↗

President Nixon met with an unknown woman to discuss various personal and social topics, including her family, her son’s academic pursuits, and her experiences related to Kent State University. The conversation touched upon the President’s schedule, the importance of youth opportunities, and perspectives on military service. The dialogue also briefly referenced a photograph of the President with high school students in Cincinnati and potential future travel.

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On November 22, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon and unknown person(s) met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 8:08 am and 8:20 am. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 621-033 of the White House Tapes.

Conversation No. 621-33

Date: November 22, 1971
Time: Unknown between 8:08 am and 8:20 am
Location: Oval Office

The President met with an unknown woman.

     The President's schedule
          -Trips
          -H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman

    Kent State University
         -The unknown woman's experience
         -Kent State shooting
         -Location
         -Size
         -The unknown woman's contacts
               -Alumni groups
               -Glenn A. Olds

    The unknown woman's family
         -Brother
              -University
                   -Teaching
                         -The President’s view
              -Draft

    Military service
          -The President’s view

    Picture of the President with High School students in Cincinnati

    Opportunities for youth

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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 3
[Personal Returnable]
[Duration: 21s ]

END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 3

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    Opportunities for travel
        -Travel

    The President's schedule
         -Foreign visits and visitors

The unknown woman left at an unknown time before 8:20 am.

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And they're going, even though it's... Also politically, the old folks are worth ten times that's what the youth are.
We can't get any of our people to recognize that.
But there are, in the first place, there are three times as many of them.
And in the second place, three times more of them vote.
The Inductor Locational Clubs of America, remember them?
Um, they do those, uh, work, they do work, uh, still with all of the... Ah, ah, the kind of, the kind of things that are good.
Boys' Loves, for example, have programs all over the country.
They can make a plan.
You can go to the Boys' Loves.
Even the YMCA, the Boy Scouts, the Boyish, all of that, I look over the list of the good square youth and other organizations.
The next is the Salvation Army, the people that are the Salvation Army.
I don't get the list of the volunteer organizations around the country.
They have award ceremonies.
They have this and that.
You go and present the presidential...
Julie, Dr. Schiffer, and David can go present the Presidential Certificate of Achievement to this event.
We send out, I guess we're sending out some items, are we correct?
Yes.
You can take one along.
They don't know.
Mine isn't.
Instead of mailing it to them, right?
That's your event.
We go there, have them come, give them an inter-forum invitation.
The other thing is, you do those things to individuals who do heroic things and, uh, strange things, all right?
Now, they can follow, they can't go to town for that purpose.
But we've got one now.
If you're in Cincinnati, and we have somebody who's gonna, some policeman that's gonna say, No, but I was thinking, you know, Bob, that you could, you could even, you could even do it for that purpose.
Another thing that I was gonna say, that, uh,
be sure in their talking points that if uh that they that they mention in the drug thing everybody's interested in drugs great job football baseball and other sports personalities going on their ads david should get that it's a marvelous thing to mention and if you're in a town where uh i was thinking that
that you could even come in to present a presidential smidgen because what will happen is they're going to get them.
An event could be billed by the town, you know, to say an honor.
Rather than having it be a ruse.
See, I want to upgrade those laws so that it means something to people rather than just, well, we got something from the president.
That's nice.
Well, in fact, isn't the event, when Kennedy did this in 69, they used to have some little old lady all set up and then they went in the television camera.
Then they can go on a talk show.
You went into town to honor this man who saved three or four lives or did something.
Correct.
Go on.
And also you can tie it to some other event that you get into some issue like, you know what I mean, health or something.
So you can get into all of that.
Well, let's get the drug, and now the drug guy can, and now it's the white cities where they've been out sending.
We ought to get a lot of analysis made by Buchanan and all the others as to what issues are the best ones to get into.
I'm always asked, yeah, I'll tell you what I'm always asked about.
Move them in, yeah.
Don't play down yourself, though.
The interesting story is not the issue.
And I'm sure it's good to get the point over.
We'll get more votes on the basis of what a great gal Julie Eisenhower is than we will on trying to...
This was David saying that the program, this Cleveland half-hour talk show, was good because this one woman commentator kept asking the personal things, too.
That's right.
They are interested in your father's programs, but most of those programs, those domestic programs, are nothing in the public mind.
They don't give a damn.
They don't care about it.
They don't really care.
Now, you'll find me, John Erleman, and John Wagner will tell you a lot and talk about the environment.
Or forget it.
Do not worry about that.
No, I think that is a good point.
No, they don't.
You don't get the money from it.
You look at the survey and say, what do you consider the most important?
Actually, the president did something about 70% say it's a war in Vietnam, 68% say it's all the economy.
then 14% say do something about crime, 12% say do something about drugs, and 10% say do something about the environment, and 2% say do something about health and cancer, and all of those are in the states we're in.
Now that doesn't mean you can ever do anything about reorganizing government or have relatives who share anything like that.
That's right.
Well, there's nothing to do, Julie.
Yeah, the main thing is to do the same with treatment.
how it is to live there, the White House years and so forth.
It's the personal thing that you want.
And also they should get into something.
You get into something about what your mother is like and what your father is like.
Develop some things there, some anecdotal material.
They always want to know.
Tell us something interesting.
Tell us something funny in this friend.
You'll have to get somebody to work on that.
Rose, you can work a little on that one.
You can go into things, Julie, on how do you admire your father's courage in going down to the A.F.L.C.
I know that you heard everybody there at the White House saying he shouldn't do that because they're... that have over the years... Yeah, he's done more than that now.
That sort of stuff is...
Well, it has money in the back.
It really is.
And like letters, like the one from Anne Lansford, who I understand is a way out liberal, but again, what you did, you know, she can't really be against your father because she thinks that he and your mother did such a wonderful job with you.
You know, another interesting device you could use if you felt comfortable with it on TV is to take a half a dozen letters.
It's known, and you can play off of it, that you work over it when you're in Washington.
You work over the correspondence.
And you have some of the things here that say, you ought to be interested in some of the things that people write to my father.
I work over there in the mail office.
Here's some of the things they write.
And then read some of those letters.
Maybe we could do that, pull some of those.
You could do that.
Alert Ann to go, you know, when she goes to let me know.
Oh, we're looking for the letters of bullet.
Your father uses some of them, but he can only use one or two.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I think it's, you know, it's, oh, on the schedule, I was going to say, don't let them to the big states, however.
It's very important that we not ignore any states.
And, for example, I'm going to have to have others do others, but I... Let's go to the South.
I need to be sure they go to the South.
I want that, I want it so that it is covered, particularly the border states.
And for that matter, Mississippi, Mississippi and Alabama, and Georgia, this and that will go there.
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Conversation 621-033, November 22, 1971. White House Tapes, Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, National Archives. Audio and AI transcript via Easy Nixon, https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/621-033 (accessed November 2, 2026).