Nixon White House Tapes › Tape 643 › Conversation 643-003

Nixon, Dreyfus & Bull on Physical fitness and Walter H. Annenberg

Monday, January 3, 1972 · 2:07 PM–2:10 PM ET · Oval Office · 4 min

ParticipantsNixon, Richard M. (President); Dreyfus, Jack J., Jr.; Bull, Stephen B.Conversation643-003 on Tape 643 (tape position 00:10:47–00:15:02)StartMonday, January 3, 1972 at 2:07 PMEndMonday, January 3, 1972 at 2:10 PMRecording deviceOval OfficeSourceNixon Library record for 643-003 ↗ · National Archives Catalog, NAID 417183191 ↗

AI Summary

President Nixon met with Jack J. Dreyfus, Jr. and Stephen B. Bull to discuss personal matters, including physical fitness, sports, and scheduling a meeting with Kenneth R. Cole. The conversation also touched upon a gift from Ambassador Walter H. Annenberg and a portrait of George Washington. The President concluded the meeting by agreeing to review an article provided by Dreyfus during his upcoming trip to California.

  • Physical fitness
  • Walter H. Annenberg
  • Kenneth R. Cole
  • Presidential gifts
  • California trip
  • George Washington portrait

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NARA Description

On January 3, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon, Jack J. Dreyfus, Jr., and Stephen B. Bull met in the Oval Office of the White House from 2:07 pm to 2:10 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 643-003 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid

Conversation No. 643-3

Date: January 3, 1972
Time: 2:07 pm - 2:10 pm
Location: Oval Office

The President met with Jack J. Dreyfus, Jr.

     The President's and Dreyfus's ages

Stephen B. Bull entered at an unknown time after 2:07 pm.

     Dreyfus's schedule
          -Meeting with Kenneth R. Cole
                -Cole's location
                     -John D. Ehrlichman

Bull left at an unknown time before 2:10 pm.

     Dreyfus
          -Golf
          -Tennis
          -Physical condition
          -Tennis courts

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       The President’s physical activity
              -Walking

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     Walter H. Annenberg
          -Position
          -Gift
                -Steuben glass
                      -Presidential seal
          -Philadelphia Inquirer and TV Guide
          -Palm Springs
          -Esthetic sense
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     Portrait of George Washington
           -Charles Willson Peale

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     Article
           -The President’s perusal
                -Forthcoming California trip

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Dreyfus left at 2:10 pm.

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Of course, Mr. President, you can find a call.
Your age is younger than mine.
Oh, sir.
You're... 58.
You're what?
38.
When did you bar?
August 1936.
January.
18 months older.
Yeah, 18 months older.
Okay, okay, uh, uh, uh, uh, Dreyfus would like to see, can the hole, if he's around now, or is he, or he may be, in a new arrangement.
Yes, he's right upstairs, I see him.
If you'd like to just sit on that side of this.
Hello, what's that?
Oh, it's a tennis.
I thought I had a chance to tell you.
You're in great shape.
This is great.
You have a tennis court down at your park.
Oh, yeah.
That's great.
Thank you.
Oh, I never learned to fly a double-task ship just a little bit.
You've got to keep up.
That's a bigger thing.
This walking is about 50 yards.
Oh, let me show you something pretty funny.
Look at this.
Walter Anker, my wife's ambassador to London, got this made by...
the uh class and you see that's the presidential seal you know it's a it's a course made specifically for this isn't that a nice thing he's a he's a great uh
You have a guy that, you know the guy, you probably haven't met him, but he's just a person, he's an artist, he's a successful man, he published in the Philadelphia Inquirer, he still does a big thing on TV, a guy at Palm Springs, but he loves beautiful things.
And he said, you know, he saw it, so that's under the picture.
You don't recognize him, that's why you, you know.
That's Washington by the older people.
There are many people still who did this with Washington.
It looks like it.
Yeah, I will.
I will.
Fine.
Thank you.
And I'll let you know how this comes out.
I'll read it on the way out to California.
I'd love it.
Well, good to see you, Jack.
Thank you.

Also recorded on January 3, 1972

  • 642-028 12:46 PM · 28 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and unknown person(s) met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 12:46 pm and 2:07 pm.
  • 643-004 2:10 PM · 17 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and Manolo Sanchez met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 2:10 pm and 2:17 pm.
  • 643-005 2:10 PM · 43 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and unknown person(s) met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 2:10 pm and 2:17 pm.
  • 643-006 2:10 PM · 33 sec — President Richard M. Nixon, unknown person(s), and Alexander P. Butterfield met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 2:10 pm and 2:17 pm.
  • 643-007 2:10 PM · 1 min — President Richard M. Nixon, Stephen B. Bull, and unknown person(s) met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 2:10 pm and 2:17 pm.
  • 643-008 2:17 PM · 50 min — President Richard M. Nixon, Charles W. Colson, unknown person(s), Manolo Sanchez, H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman, and Stephen B. Bull met in the Oval Office of the White House from 2:17 pm to 3:07 pm.
  • 018-108 2:58 PM · 3 min — President Richard M. Nixon and Rogers C. B. Morton talked on the telephone from 2:58 pm to 3:00 pm.
  • 643-010 3:07 PM · 34 min — President Richard M. Nixon, Henry Ford, II, Edwin D. Etherington, Charles W. Colson, Rayburn D. Hanzlik, White House photographer, Stephen B. Bull, Manolo Sanchez, and Peter G. Peterson met in the Oval Office of the White House from 3:07 pm to 3:40 pm.

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Cite this conversation

Conversation 643-003, January 3, 1972. White House Tapes, Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, National Archives (NAID 417183191). Audio and AI transcript via Easy Nixon, https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/643-003 (accessed November 2, 2026).