Nixon White House Tapes › Tape 697 › Conversation 697-008

Nixon, Rudd & Woods on Oval Office and Courtesy Visit

Thursday, March 30, 1972 · 11:34 AM–11:39 AM ET · Oval Office · 5 min

ParticipantsNixon, Richard M. (President); Rudd, Oliver W., Jr.; Rudd, Oliver W., Jr. (Mrs.); Rudd, Alice D.; Rudd, Caroline M.; Woods, Rose Mary; White House photographerConversation697-008 on Tape 697 (tape position 02:01:45–02:06:20)StartThursday, March 30, 1972 at 11:34 AMEndThursday, March 30, 1972 at 11:39 AMRecording deviceOval OfficeSourceNixon Library record for 697-008 ↗

AI Summary

President Nixon held a brief, informal social meeting in the Oval Office with Oliver W. Rudd, Jr., his wife (known as Julia Meade), their children, and Rose Mary Woods. The primary purpose was a courtesy visit that included a formal photograph session and discussion of the family's children and their schooling in New York. Before the group departed for tours of the White House and the Capitol, the President shared pleasantries and offered lighthearted advice regarding their upcoming visit with William “Fishbait” Miller.

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Position in tape: 02:01:45 – 02:06:20

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NARA Description

On March 30, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon, Oliver W. Rudd, Jr., Mrs. Oliver W. Rudd, Jr., Alice D. Rudd, Caroline M. Rudd, Rose Mary Woods, and White House photographer met in the Oval Office of the White House from 11:34 am to 11:39 am. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 697-008 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid

Conversation No. 697-8

Date: March 30, 1972
Time: 11:34 am - 11:39 am
Location: Oval Office

The President met with Mr. and Mrs. Oliver W. Rudd, Jr. ["Julia Meade"], Caroline M. Rudd,
Alice D. Rudd, and Rose Mary Woods; the White House photographer was present at the
beginning of the meeting.

     Greetings

     Introductions

     Children
          -Grade school, New York
               -Chapin School

     [Photograph session]

     Schedule
          -Tour of the White House
          -Tour of the Capitol
               -William M. (“Fishbait”) Miller

     Gifts

     Oval Office
          -Presidential Seal
          -Dwarf tree from the People's Republic of China [PRC]

     Photographs taken in the PRC
          -Oliver F. (“Ollie”) Atkins

     Steuben Glass [“Star of the President”]
          -Walter H. Annenberg

     Julie Nixon Eisenhower

     Jesus Christ Superstar

"Julia Meade" et. al. left at 11:39 am.

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Are you?

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You might be interested to know that we wrote the letter that got these two little girls in.
Yes, sir.
Now in New York.
Why are you going to take them?
In New York, take them.
Oh!
And they're so grateful they love them.
They're so grateful.
Well, how are you?
Nice to see you.
Yeah.
Nice to see you.
Hi, how are you girls?
Nice to see you.
Yes.
They're changing girls, aren't they?
Yeah.
Art school.
You have stuff all the time?
Yeah.
How are you?
Nice to see you.
Well, but you like it, don't you?
And how long have you been there?
Fourth grade.
Fourth grade.
The seventh grade.
And if you're putting, it must be about the second grade.
Yeah, but you like it, don't you?
Pretty good.
You do?
Good.
I was just telling you, as far as I was going to sign the other next year,
Thank you very much.
Let's see, that will be... You go in front of me, huh?
Like this.
There we are.
Then we have a little bit more balance.
How's that?
Uh-huh.
All right, I have it.
There you go.
That's right.
Now you're going to go see, what, the council or the White House or what?
Fishbait Yard.
Fishbait Yard.
Have you seen the White House?
Yes.
And the fish may go well.
You can get a little, you can get a little girl.
All right.
If she doesn't get you, you understand, you're going to have to read the term and you can keep talking to her.
All right.
Don't look forward to it.
All right.
If you're going to get me, should I get him?
You don't need to be concerned about fish baits getting all on you.

Also recorded on March 30, 1972

  • 022-049 11:28 AM · 8 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and the White House operator talked on the telephone at 11:28 am.
  • 022-050 11:28 AM · 7 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and the White House operator talked on the telephone at an unknown time between 11:28 am and 11:39 am.
  • 697-006 11:30 AM · 3 min — President Richard M. Nixon, Ronald L. Ziegler, and Rose Mary Woods met in the Oval Office of the White House from 11:30 am to 11:32 am.
  • 697-007 11:32 AM · 1 min — President Richard M. Nixon and Rose Mary Woods met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 11:32 am and 11:34 am.
  • 022-051 11:39 AM · 3 min — President Richard M. Nixon and Julie Nixon Eisenhower talked on the telephone from 11:39 am to 11:42 am.
  • 697-009 11:39 AM · 7 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and Stephen B. Bull met in the Oval Office of the White House at 11:39 am.
  • 697-010 11:39 AM · 20 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and the White House operator met in the Oval Office of the White House at 11:39 am.
  • 697-011 11:39 AM · 7 min — President Richard M. Nixon and Julie Nixon Eisenhower met in the Oval Office of the White House from 11:39 am to 11:42 am.

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Cite this conversation

Conversation 697-008, March 30, 1972. White House Tapes, Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, National Archives. Audio and AI transcript via Easy Nixon, https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/697-008 (accessed November 2, 2026).