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Conversation: 736-002

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Start Date: 15-Jun-1972 5:25 PM

End Date: 15-Jun-1972 6:43 PM

Participants:

Nixon, Richard M. (President)Bull, Stephen B.Ehrlichman, John D.White House operatorMilliken, William G.Haldeman, H. R. ("Bob")[Unknown person(s)]

Recording Device: Oval Office

NARA Description:

On June 15, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon, Stephen B. Bull, John D. Ehrlichman, White House operator, William G. Milliken, H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman, and unknown person(s) met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 5:25 pm and 6:43 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 736-002 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid:

Conversation No. 736-2

Date: June 15, 1972
Time: Unknown between 5:25 pm and 6:43 pm
Location: Oval Office

The President met with Stephen B. Bull.

     White House Head of State dinner
          -The President’s toast
                -Translation
          -Luis Echeverria Alvarez toast
                -Translation

John D. Ehrlichman entered at 5:31 pm.

     Greetings

     White House Head of State dinner
          -Translator
               -Toasts
               -Echeverria

Bull left at an unknown time before 5:46 pm.

     Ehrlichman's California trip
          -Stanford University graduation
          -Los Angeles
               -Television appearance
               -Balboa Bay Club
          -San Clemente
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               -Golf course
                    -Greenskeeper
               -Weather

    The President's schedule
         -Republican convention
              -Weather in Washington, DC
         -Travel
              -California


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    Domestic policy
        -Education bill
              -Detroit, Michigan
              -James G. O'Hara
              -Judge Stephen J. Roth
                    -Busing order
                    -Michigan busing
                          -Impact
                          -William G. Milliken
                               -Detroit
                                     -Reaction to order
                          -Knowledge of the President's position
                               -Telephone call
              -Legal opinion
                    -Statement by President
              -Warren Burger
              -Richard G. Kleindienst
                    -Legal opinion from Legal Counsel's office
                    -Department of Justice
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The President talked with the White House operator at an unknown time between 5:46 pm and
5:54 pm.

[Conversation No. 736-2A]

[See Conversation No. 25-68]

[End of telephone conversation]

     Domestic policy
         -Irving Kristol's book
               -Liberals
               -Daniel P. (“Pat”) Moynihan
               -Education
               -Pornography
               -Censorship
               -Welfare
               -Moynihan
               -The President’s view
         -Detroit busing case
               -Call from Kliendienst to Ehrlichman
         -Busing
               -Charles W. Colson, Michael P. Balzano, Donald F. Rodgers
               -Intellectuals
               -Blue-collar concerns
                     -George C. Wallace
                     -Spiro T. Agnew
                     -Edmund S. Muskie
                     -Ehrlichman
                     -Balzano
               -Issue
         -Aid to parochial schools
               -John Cardinal Krol
                     -Forthcoming meeting with the President
               -Wilbur D. Mills
                     -Commentary
                     -Office of Management and Budget [OMB]
               -Krol
                     -Forthcoming meeting with the President
                     -Philadelphia Plan report
                           -Administration's reaction
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                -Philadelphia system
                      -Krol's plan
                -Chattanooga, Tennessee

The President talked with Milliken between 5:46 and 5:54 pm.

[Conversation No. 736-2B]

[See Conversation No. 25-69]

[End of telephone conversation]

     Domestic policy
         -Busing
               -Milliken's position
               -Racial issue
         -Education
               -Harvard University
                     -Professor's analysis on busing
                           -Opposition from Harvard University
               -Academic freedom
                     -Stanford
                           -Genetics teacher
                           -Conditions on campus
         -Dichlorodiphenyl trichloroethane [DDT]
               -William D. Ruckelshaus's position
               -Nobel prize winner
                     -Conversation with the President
                           -Russell E. Train
                           -Ceylon
                                 -Malaria deaths
               -Staff at Environmental Protection Agency [EPA]
                     -Composition
                     -Ruckelshaus’s role
                     -Comparison with regulatory agency
               -White House position
                     -Ruckelshaus
                           -Sweden
                     -Department of Agriculture's views
                     -Norman E. Borlaug
                     -Ruckelshaus
                     -Federal Trade Commission [FTC]
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          -Appeal of decision
                -John C. Whitaker
                -The President’s position
                -Borlaug
                -Clifford M. Hardin
                -Cotton growers
     -Education
          -Harvard University study
                -Edward L. Morgan's synopsis
          -Kristol’s book
                -Cost of higher education
                      -University of California, Berkeley
                           -Background of students
          -Student loans
                -Administration policy
                -Grants
                      -Students
                      -University
                -Terms
                -The President’s position
          -James B. (“Scotty”) Reston
                -Address at Stanford University
                      -Student reception
          -Stanford University graduation
                -Viet Cong flag

Caspar W. Weinberger
    -Ehrlichman
    -George P. Shultz
    -Frank C. Carlucci
    -Kenneth R. Cole, Jr.

Welfare reform
     -Ehrlichman's meeting with Elliot L. Richardson
     -James D. Hodgson
     -Abraham A. Ribicoff
     -The President's forthcoming meeting with Richardson
           -Revenue sharing
           -Budget problems
                 -Ribicoff’s program
     -Administration policy
           -Ehrlichman’s forthcoming meeting with Richardson
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                    -Department of Health, Education, and Welfare [HEW]
          -Clark MacGregor

     Social Security bill
          -John N. Mitchell
                -Meeting with Ehrlichman and H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman
          -Veto possibility
                -Congressional override

     Revenue sharing
         -Lobbying by governors and mayors
         -Russell B. Long
         -George H. Mahon
               -Support for the President
               -Taxes
         -Budget
         -Weinberger
         -Pepperdine College speech by Ehrlichman
               -Federal expenses
                     -Tax cuts
               -Brookings Institution report
               -Cuts in federal expenses
                     -Administration policy
                     -Necessity
                     -Taxes

Haldeman entered at 6:15 pm.

     Ambassadorial appointments
         -The President’s view
         -Quality
         -Robert H. McBride
         -Herbert G. Klein
              -Mexico
              -Qualities

     American translators
         -McBride
         -Donald F. Barnes
               -Abilities
         -US French translator
               -Shortcomings
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                            (rev. Feb-02)                   Conv. No. 736-2 (cont.)


-The President’s view
-US Polish translator
     -Shortcomings
     -The President’s previous trip to Poland
           -National Security Council [NSC]
           -State Department
           -Henry A. Kissinger
     -Strengths
     -Pataloski [Alexander Akalovsky?]
     -Walter J. Stoessel, Jr.
           -Embassy staff
-Procedure for selecting translators
     -State Department
     -Kissinger’s office
     -Presidential translators
     -Comparison with Soviet and Chinese translators
     -Victor Sukhodrev
           -US-Soviet translator
                 -Accuracy
           -Haldeman’s view
           -Fluency
     -Vernon A. Walters
           -Evaluation of translators
           -Pataloski [?]
     -Sukhodrev
     -Chinese translator
           -Chou En-lai
           -Mao Tse-tung
-Language schools in US
     -Walters
     -Requirements
-US translator in Japan, [Forename unknown] Whickel (sp?)
     -Wife
-US Spanish translator
-US French translator
     -Woman translator
           -Strengths
-Woman translators
     -The President’s view
     -Shortcomings
     -Chou En-lai
-French translator
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     -German translator
     -Mobility of an individual translator
           -Bonn
                 -Meetings with Willy Brandt
           -Tokyo
     -The President’s trip to Poland
           -Quality of US translation
                 -Problems
           -Poland's translator
                 -Strengths
     -Military language school
           -Quality
     -Recruitment
           -Problems
           -Kissinger
                 -Winston Lord
     -US Polish translator
           -Vernon C. Coffey's comment to Haldeman
           -Pataloski [?]
           -Ehrlichman's appearance at Pepperdine College

World War II
    -Winston S. Churchill's Triumph And Tragedy
         -Yalta and Potsdam Conferences
              -Poland
              -Polish underground
              -Franklin D. Roosevelt's Illness
              -State Department
              -Romania
              -Czechoslovakia
                    -Dwight D. Eisenhower
                    -Prague
              -Denmark
                    -Soviets
              -American concerns
                    -Military victory
                    -Soviet allies
                    -Churchill's concerns
              -Roosevelt
              -Harry S. Truman
              -State Department
                    -Role in Yalta
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International Affairs
      -Poland
           -Political attitudes
                 -Soviet Union
           -William P. Rogers
           -Soviet Union
           -The President’s previous trip to Poland
                 -Response to the President in Warsaw
      -Romania and Yugoslavia
           -Strength of Communist ideology
      -Poles
           -Political attitudes
      -Romanians
           -Culture
           -Spanish
      -Yugoslavians
      -Czechs
      -Hungarians
      -Soviets

Foreign policy personnel
     -Ambassadors
     -Foreign service
     -Central Intelligence Agency [CIA]
          -Problems
                -The President’s view
     -The President’s view
     -Ambassadors
          -US Ambassador to Sweden
                -Jerome H. Holland
                       -Resignation
                -Kissinger
                       -Gen. Alexander M. Haig, Jr.
                -Replacement
                -Rogers
                -Charge d'affaires
                       -[Forename unknown] Graham
                -Status of post
          -Spain
                -Ambassador
                       -Potential problems
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                     -State Department
          -Herbert W. Kalmbach
               -Appointments
               -W. Clement Stone
               -Leonard K. Firestone
          -Walter H. Annenberg
               -Firestone
                     -Possible press story
                           -Annenberg’s possible resignation
                     -Wife
          -Ambassadors
               -Functions
               -Annenberg
                     -[Elizabeth, Queen Of England] Elizabeth II
          -Spain
               -Horacio Rivero
                     -Confirmation
          -Ambassadorships
               -Prestige
          -Soviet Union
               -Replacement
               -Dwight L. Chapin
                     -Jacob D. Beam
                           -Performance
                           -Mrs. Beam
                           -Performance
               -Stone
                     -Preference
                           -Great Britain

Personnel
     -Kleindienst
          -Selection of Deputy Attorney General
                -Ruckelshaus
                -Ralph E. Erickson
                      -Office of Legal Counsel
                -William French Smith
                -John W. Dean, III
                      -Age
                      -Qualities
          -Erickson
                -Qualities
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                                 Tape Subject Log
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                 -Background
                       -Gibson, Dunn, and Crutcher
                 -Busing case
                 -Loyalty
     -Office of Legal Counsel
           -Recruitment
                 -William H. Rehnquist
     -Kleindienst
           -Ehrlichman’s forthcoming call

Kissinger
     -Schedule
           -Japan
           -Soviet Union trip
     -California trip
     -Qualities
     -Congressional briefing
           -J. William Fulbright's response

White House dinners
     -Toasts
          -Statements
                -Importance
          -Patrick J. Buchanan
                -Effect
          -Value
                -Publicity

Education
    -Memorandum by Morgan

US foreign policy
     -Summit meetings
            -People's Republic of China [PRC]
            -Soviet Union
            -Effect
     -Mexico
     -Great Britain
     -France
     -Italy
     -Germany
     -The President's meeting with Echeverria
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          -Water salinity
     -Third World nations
     -Mexico
          -Kissinger
                -Mexican Foreign Minister
                      -Salinity question
     -Eisenhower, John F. Kennedy, Lyndon B. Johnson
          -State dinners
          -State visits
     -Eisenhower
          -Churchill
          -[Maurice] Harold MacMillan
          -North Atlantic Treaty Organization [NATO]
     -Kennedy and Johnson
          -Foreign leaders
     -Echeverria
          -Importance
          -The President’s view
          -Support for the President

US domestic policies
    -Leon Sullivan
          -Meeting
          -Speech
                -Statement on the President
                      -Equal opportunity
    -Floyd B. McKissick, Sr.
          -Statement
    -Sullivan statement

Echeverria’s visit to the US
    -Mexican politics
          -Angela Davis
          -Demonstrations in US at Echeverria's public appearances

Davis’s trial
     -Outcome

Demonstration
    -Los Angeles
         -Police
         -City Council
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                                         Tape Subject Log
                                           (rev. Feb-02)                  Conv. No. 736-2 (cont.)


                 -Mexicans

An unknown person entered at an unknown time after 6:15 pm.

      The President's briefcase

The unknown person left at an unknown time before 6:43 pm.

      Decisions for 1973
           -Buchanan [?]
           -Announcements

The President, et al. left at 6:43 pm.