Nixon White House Tapes › Tape 852 › Conversation 852-013

Nixon, Bull & Sanchez on Congressional Relations and Time Management

Wednesday, February 7, 1973 · 12:36 PM–12:40 PM ET · Oval Office · 3 min

ParticipantsNixon, Richard M. (President); Bull, Stephen B.; Sanchez, ManoloConversation852-013 on Tape 852StartWednesday, February 7, 1973 at 12:36 PMEndWednesday, February 7, 1973 at 12:40 PMRecording deviceOval OfficeSourceNixon Library record for 852-013 ↗

AI Summary

President Nixon, Stephen B. Bull, and Manolo Sanchez discuss administrative logistics regarding meeting durations and scheduling protocols for congressional visitors. The President emphasizes managing meeting lengths—specifically for members of Congress who prioritize brief interactions—to ensure efficient use of his time. Nixon directs Bull to arrange a 3:00 p.m. meeting with John T. Dunlop at the Executive Office Building, tasking him with coordinating the setup for that session.

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It's an easy break.

I don't mind that a bit, but I would tend more to have that in terms of the other people around here that come in.

But I would tend more to play to the Congress.

The congressional types, they have problems like that.

They want to follow the test rather than come to that table.

You see, we had a minor to that that we worked in on a very quick basis.

But the congressional types just wanted somebody to come in and say hello and shake hands.

So the only ones that the congressional have are where you stand.

Well, except I don't want those to be

We voluntarily couldn't do it, but Steve, he gave the congressman 10 minutes.

It ran to 20 or 30 at some time.

So if it's a question of somebody who's coming in to present and make a comment or something, then we could do it.

We can see what's required.

You can watch, but I'd never be concerned.

Just put them in.

You'll be nasty to say you've got 15 minutes.

Always thinking it takes 15 minutes any day for you to start a plan.

Alright, so we need to go now.

Please stop going.

Sir, I don't know if you know who I am.

Yes, sir, you do.

Let's leave it here.

I'll have the meeting, since they've done my thing, over at EOB.

See, I'll see, show us over there, and then you can say they've done my thing.

We'll walk over here at 3 o'clock.

That's all.

We'll just have it all set up.

So we'll come over.

I'll come over here at 3 o'clock.

I'll be here at 3.

So have them all set up at 3 o'clock.

Yeah.

It's fine.

NARA Description

On February 7, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon, Stephen B. Bull, and Manolo Sanchez met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 12:36 pm and 12:40 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 852-013 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid

Conversation No. 852-13

Date: February 7, 1973
Time: Unknown between 12:36 pm and 12:40 pm
Location: Oval Office

The President met with Stephen B. Bull and Manolo Sanchez.

       Meetings with President
             -Length
             -Photographs
                                              -39-

                   NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                                                               Conversation No. 852-13 (cont’d)

              -Out of town visitors
              -Ease
              -Mothers
              -Congress
                     -Constituents
                            -Meeting with President
                     -Congressional half hour
                            -Length

       Weather
             -President’s coat

       President’s schedule
              -John T. Dunlop
                      -Executive Office Building [EOB]
              -Meeting
                      -George P Shultz
                      -Return to Oval Office
              -Alexander P. Butterfield [?]
                      -Office

The President, Bull, and Sanchez left at 12:40 pm.

Also recorded on February 7, 1973

852-009 12:22 PM · 4 min — President Richard M. Nixon, Stephen B. Bull, White House photographer, Wallace B. Henley, Laurie Henley, and Travis Henley met in the Oval Office of the White House from 12:22 pm to 12:26 pm.
852-010 12:26 PM · 2 min — President Richard M. Nixon, Stephen B. Bull, White House photographer, J. Roy Goodearle, Mrs. J. Roy Goodearle, Sarah Goodearle, Harold Goodearle, Ellen Good, and Doris Good met in the Oval Office of the White House from 12:26 pm to 12:29 pm.
852-019 12:26 PM · 12 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and Manolo Sanchez met in the Oval Office of the White House at 12:26 pm.
852-011 12:29 PM · 3 min — President Richard M. Nixon, Stephen B. Bull, White House photographer, E. Pendleton James, Julie James, and Rob James met in the Oval Office of the White House from 12:29 pm to 12:33 pm.
852-012 12:33 PM · 3 min — President Richard M. Nixon, White House photographer, W. Richard Howard, Patrick E. O'Donnell, and Mrs. Patrick E. O'Donnell met in the Oval Office of the White House from 12:33 pm to 12:36 pm.
852-020 12:40 PM · 1 min — unknown person(s) met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 12:40 pm and 3:10 pm.
043-037 12:41 PM · 16 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and the White House operator talked on the telephone at 12:41 pm.
043-039 12:45 PM · 1 min — Charles W. Colson, White House operator, unknown person(s), and W. Richard Howard talked on the telephone at an unknown time between 12:45 pm and 1:20 pm.

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Cite this conversation

Conversation 852-013, February 7, 1973. White House Tapes, Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, National Archives. Audio and AI transcript via Easy Nixon, https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/852-013 (accessed October 12, 2026).