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Conversation 887-010

TapeTape 887StartThursday, March 22, 1973 at 12:12 PMEndThursday, March 22, 1973 at 12:27 PMParticipantsNixon, Richard M. (President);  Shafer, Raymond P.;  Shepard, Geoffrey C.;  Cole, Kenneth R., Jr.;  Brill, Henry;  Cooney, Jane;  Galvin, Charles O.;  Howard, John A.;  Seevers, Maurice H.;  Underleider, J. Thomas;  Ware, Mitchell;  Farnsworth, Dona L.Recording deviceOval Office
AudioNARA Description

On March 22, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon, Raymond P. Shafer, Geoffrey C. Shepard, Kenneth R. Cole, Jr., Henry Brill, Jane Cooney, Charles O. Galvin, John A. Howard, Maurice H. Seevers, J. Thomas Underleider, Mitchell Ware, and Dona L. Farnsworth met in the Oval Office of the White House from 12:12 pm to 12:27 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 887-010 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid
Conversation No. 887-10
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                                                             Conversation No. 887-10 (cont’d)

Date: March 22, 1973
Time: Unknown between 12:12 pm and 12:27 pm
Location: Oval Office

The President met with Raymond P. Shafer, Dana L. Farnsworth, Henry Brill, Joan Cooney,
Charles O. Galvin, John A. Howard, Maurice H. Seevers, J. Thomas Ungerleider, Mitchell Ware,
Kenneth R. Cole, Jr. and Geoffrey C. Shepard. The White House photographer was present at the
beginning of the meeting.

       Introductions
             -Cooney
             -Farnsworth
                    -Vice chairman
             -Ungerleider
                    -University of California, Los Angeles [UCLA]
             -Seevers
                    -University of Michigan
             -Galvin
                    -Southern Methodist Law School
             -Howard
                    -Illinois
             -Ware
                    -Illinois
             -Brill
                    -New York
             -Distinguished group

       Photographs
            -Arrangements

       National Commission on Marijuana and Drug Abuse
            -Work
            -Expenditures
            -First report
            -Final report
                   -Deadline
            -Efficiency
            -Final report
                   -Value
            -Gratitude of President
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             NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

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                                                     Conversation No. 887-10 (cont’d)

             -Appreciation of Commission
        -Drug abuse
             -Marijuana use
                    -Penalties
             -Controversy of Commission
             -Value of work
                    -President’s view
                    -Congress’ view
                    -Study of drugs and alcohol
                          -Further research
        -Scope of work
        -Proposals
             -White House policies
             -Private sector involvement
        -Drug abuse
             -Impact on nation
             -Dependency
             -Press coverage
                    -Public service announcement
             -Information
        -Report for President
             -Reading

Presidential gifts
      -Cufflinks
            -Flags

President's meeting with Carlos Sanz de Santamaria

Theodore (‘Teddy”) Roosevelt
     -Panama Canal
           -Relations with Colombia
     -Design of presidential seal [?]

Gifts
        -Comparison

Commission members
    -Affiliations
          -University of Illinois
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                                                                 Conversation No. 887-10 (cont’d)

                   -University of Michigan
                   -Harvard University
                   -Rockford, Illinois
              -Southern Methodist Law School
                   -Former Dean
              -UCLA
                   -Basketball

        Cable television
             -Follow-up

Shafer, et al. left at 12:27 pm.
Transcript (AI-Generated)

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All right.
All right.
All right.
All right.
All right.
Yes, what's going on?
This is Mitchell Ware, right, from Illinois Health Center.
And this is Dr. Henry Brill, from Hilbert State Hospital.
How are you doing?
With the exception of Nathan, I want you to know that this is the most insane show that I've ever worked with.
It's just that it's pretty interesting to hear each other.
Yeah.
You can't have it all.
I'll tell you what I'm saying.
Why don't we start with that?
Ray, you'll be on my left.
All right.
Now the rest of you, just fold in on either side.
Like that.
That's three up.
You see, I actually did it.
You need one over here.
A little more like a curve.
Yeah, that's right.
Balance.
Like that.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Thank you.
the purpose of my comment here is to
Thank you.
out of all we trust
Yeah.
use is not a problem.
The problem is that they are exhibited by drug use and drug dependency.
And we say, let's take a careful look at the whole thing.
Let's find our national resources and
They want controversy.
They want controversy.
They don't want substance.
Well, actually, I was referring perhaps more to the review that I had on the public service podcast, you know.
You've got to say those, you know, the athletes and all the rest, you know.
I won't promise I'll read it right away.
I will.
I am a reader, actually.
I want to enjoy it.
I'm a reader.
I believe in reading because the...
Now, we have to take what we've got.
This is small, but people who do all kinds of things and social roles, that's something totally non-partisan, which is kind of hard.
Thank you.
D.R.
That proves that we work for God.
Thank you very much.
Well, it seems like the education institution.
Thank you very much.
University of Michigan.
Rockford, Illinois.
Southern Memphis Law School.
Getting a lawyer in here.
I remember
years ago.
It's a little liberal style.
It's good to see you.
I used to say I ever lost a basketball game.
Anybody remember me?
That's fantastic.
Do you ever sit around here today?
We have.
Yeah.
I know what you're talking about.
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