Nixon White House Tapes › Tape 28 › Conversation 028-036

Nixon phone call with an unidentified caller on John McCarroll

Tuesday, August 1, 1972 · 4:33 PM–5:20 PM ET · White House Telephone · 18 sec

ParticipantsNixon, Richard M. (President); White House operatorConversation028-036 on Tape 28StartTuesday, August 1, 1972 at 4:33 PMEndTuesday, August 1, 1972 at 5:20 PMRecording deviceWhite House TelephoneSourceNixon Library record for 028-036 ↗

President Nixon consulted with the White House operator to coordinate a return phone call to John McCarroll. He established a strict deadline for the call, noting that he needed to complete it before 5:00 pm. The President clarified his availability constraints, specifically citing an upcoming photo session that required his attention.

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words, sir?
Uh, yeah, yeah.
I can take the call any time up to 5 o'clock.
Up to 5.
All right, sir.
Then I have to.
But I'm going to be making a picture session.
Thank you.
All right.

On August 1, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon and the White House operator talked on the telephone at an unknown time between 4:33 pm and 5:20 pm. The White House Telephone taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 028-036 of the White House Tapes.

Conversation No. 28-36

Date: August 1, 1972
Time: Unknown between 4:33 pm and 5:20 pm
Location: White House Telephone

The President talked with the White House operator.

     John McCarroll location
          -Return call
          -The President's schedule
  • 028-034 4:33 PM · 16 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and the White House operator talked on the telephone at 4:33 pm.
  • 028-035 4:33 PM · 15 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and the White House operator talked on the telephone at an unknown time between 4:33 pm and 5:20 pm.
  • 758-016 4:53 PM · 13 sec — President Richard M. Nixon, Robert J. Brown, Stanley S. Scott, and White House photographer met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 4:53 pm and 4:57 pm.
  • 758-017 4:57 PM · 3 min — President Richard M. Nixon, Richard K. Cook, Max L. Friedersdorf, John E. Nidecker, and incumbent Republican Congressmen and candidates, including John J. Bishop, Jr., William J. Dowd, Howard W. Robison, John N. Erlenborn, John M. Zwach, Elford A. Cederberg, Charles S. Gubser, Philip M. Crane, Charles A. Mosher, Mark Andrews, John J. Duncan, J. Herbert Burke, Paul Findley, John Kyl, Alvin O'Konski, John T. Myers, Manuel Lujan, Jr., Delwin M. Clawson, William Archer, Jr., M. Gene Snyder, Clifford P. Case, Mark O. Hatfield, Edward G. Biester, Jr., Garry E. Brown, Silvio O. Conte, Glenn R. Davis, Edward J. Derwinski, William L. Dickinson, Craig Hosmer, David T. Martin, William E. Minshall, Ancher Nelsen, John J. Rhodes, Philip E. Ruppe, Charles W. Sandman, Jr., John P. Saylor, William Scherle, and White House photographer, met in the Oval Office of the White House from 4:57 pm to 5:17 pm.
  • 758-018 5:17 PM · 21 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and Stephen B. Bull met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 5:17 pm and 5:20 pm.
  • 758-019 5:17 PM · 34 sec — President Richard M. Nixon, Stephen B. Bull, and Alexander P. Butterfield met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 5:17 pm and 5:20 pm.
  • 028-037 5:20 PM · 18 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and Edward J. Kiernan talked on the telephone from 5:20 pm to 5:21 pm.
  • 758-020 5:20 PM · 13 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and Edward J. Kiernan met in the Oval Office of the White House from 5:20 pm to 5:21 pm.

Conversation 028-036, August 1, 1972. White House Tapes, Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, National Archives. Audio and AI transcript via Easy Nixon, https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/028-036 (accessed October 12, 2026).