Nixon White House Tapes › Tape 193 › Conversation 193-023

Nixon phone call with an unidentified caller on Economic policy

Thursday, June 8, 1972 · 3:31 PM–4:25 PM ET · Camp David Hard Wire

ParticipantsNixon, Richard M. (President); Nixon, Thelma C. ("Pat") (Ryan)Conversation193-023 on Tape 193 (tape position 03:53:17–04:05:22)StartThursday, June 8, 1972 at 3:31 PMEndThursday, June 8, 1972 at 4:25 PMRecording deviceCamp David Hard WireSourceNixon Library record for 193-023 ↗

President Nixon consulted with First Lady Pat Nixon regarding his concerns over a document concerning price controls. He expressed dissatisfaction with the report's overly optimistic tone and decided to solicit a critique from National Security Advisor Henry Kissinger. The President instructed that a copy of the material be sent to Kissinger for a quick review to inform further revisions.

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3:53:39yeah i think i wondered if you could get a hold of uh henry definitely before 30 days have you taken gander at this thing with prices prepared it seems to me that the islands are the technical things i always like to go on but it seems to me that uh
3:54:05far too euphoric, which of course I'll change if I want to make the effort.
3:54:16But I just want to get his feeling on it.
3:54:18Have him take a copy over to him and have him do a quick gander.
3:54:26What time is it now?
3:54:273.30?
3:54:27Yeah.
3:54:27Okay, let's have him take a look.
3:54:29I'll call you back.

On June 8, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon and Thelma C. ("Pat") (Ryan) Nixon met in the Aspen Lodge study at Camp David at an unknown time between 3:31 pm and 4:25 pm. The Camp David Hard Wire taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 193-023 of the White House Tapes.

Conversation No. 193-23

Date: June 8, 1972
Time: Unknown between 3:31 and 4:25 pm
Location: Camp David Hard Wire

The President met with Thelma C. (“Pat”) Nixon.

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Mrs. Nixon left at an unknown time before 4:25 pm.
  • 133-017 3:30 PM · 55 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman talked on the telephone at Camp David from 3:30 pm to 3:31 pm.
  • 193-022 3:30 PM · 2 min — President Richard M. Nixon and H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman met in the Aspen Lodge study at Camp David from 3:30 pm to 3:31 pm.
  • 193-024 3:31 PM · 4 min — President Richard M. Nixon and unknown person(s) met in the Aspen Lodge study at Camp David at an unknown time between 3:31 pm and 4:25 pm.
  • 133-018 4:25 PM · 1 min — President Richard M. Nixon and H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman talked on the telephone at Camp David from 4:25 pm to 4:26 pm.
  • 193-025 4:25 PM · 1 min — President Richard M. Nixon and H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman met in the Aspen Lodge study at Camp David from 4:25 pm to 4:26 pm.
  • 133-019 4:26 PM · 5 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and Camp David operator talked on the telephone at Camp David at an unknown time between 4:26 pm and 4:27 pm.
  • 193-026 4:26 PM · 59 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and Camp David operator met in the Aspen Lodge study at Camp David at an unknown time between 4:26 pm and 4:27 pm.
  • 133-020 4:27 PM · 5 min — President Richard M. Nixon and Henry A. Kissinger talked on the telephone at Camp David from 4:27 pm to 4:31 pm.

Conversation 193-023, June 8, 1972. White House Tapes, Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, National Archives. Audio and AI transcript via Easy Nixon, https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/193-023 (accessed October 8, 2026).