Nixon & Colson on AFL-CIO convention and National economy

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Sir, I...

I admire your restraint, Mr. President.

I like your restraint.

About what?

I was a little bit angry at George Meany last night when I heard his response.

Oh, sure.

Uh... Yeah?

Hello?

I think probably the best crack of the week is that you said, well, you're reading too much anyway, so...

I'm trying.

Well, I think there's a great story that Atkinson told about going back to his, you know, going to Harvard and going back.

It's the one year, and he's all around there, and so...

He had to give up drinking to respect his hearing.

He went down there, and five years later, he was sent over there.

He was a drunk, as you can see, and that was the post.

He said, I found what I liked when I was drinking a hell of a lot better than what I was hearing.

So anyway, you take care, we need you.

And how long will you be back?

Oh, no, no, no, take it.

No, I understand.

Just keep on the right.

Okay.

Well, that's right.

Well, let's buy it a little more, huh?

Sure, I'll take care of it.

I'm afraid we don't have any choice.

Yeah.

Do a little research for me on the Lincoln Amnesty and the Civil War.

My recollection, I think, is correct.

The Amnesty, of course, was for, it was naturally after the war, but they were for those who fought the other side, but not the deserters.

Now, check it, let me know.

You see, this was when Montgomery and his other aunts were in the locker, there in the back, there in the back.

And the house back, you say, we ought to do what Lincoln did in the Civil War.

Lincoln did great.

Lincoln shot, sir.

He was rather, as you probably know, was probably as brutal a president as he ever had.

He had to be.

He was working off the streets in New York.

He shot them, there were 15,000, and they just went up and machined them in the streets of New York.

That's right.

And the idea of amnesty for deserters, I don't think that's something that's happened in this country.

Now you can bring them back and let them serve their time.

That's one thing.

Why are you guys not going to have amnesty?

Well, and certainly not while prisoners are being killed.

But nobody's going to...

Being charitable, people forgetting it always has one thing, but you've got to have them pay a price.

It's a very unprepared side of the issue that they've got.

I hope so.

Well, it was hard to get much of the kind of play we deserved both of them, wasn't it?

Well, it's kind of buried in the paper.

But I guess it was late in the day.

The two of the networks did well.

Yes, sir.

And by the time, by the fact that we had gained on the vote, that was the important thing.

But that's the point they made.

They missed the distinction between the amendments.

I'm sure anybody watching that would have thought it was the same vote.

That's what I said.

And they did.

The networks

did that for us.

He's got to go to the wires last night.

They took him.

Stu Hansel did a couple of the guys that he had to work with.

And the wires showed he worked very well last night.

But in fact, the post-deal, I was surprised.

The post-deal was a real sensation.

You know, it was better than

Your statement actually, the timing of it couldn't have been better because you on the one hand threw it at me and said, I'm not going to be found with a manslaughter.

And then the House stood firm on what most people think is the same thing.

The public doesn't understand.

There's no court going to see that you do the labor.

We've agreed that 1030 tomorrow is worth a shot.

I should do labor once.

I'll do it.

I think if there's 27,000 employees, I'm hoping to engineer them.

It would be a very dramatic thing if the president had agreed to come.

The pathetic thing was that he wouldn't have the guts to do it, but he does.

And if that's true, if I've got a man down here, I will have a friend.

And I thought, if you try to employ that spirit, I think we can go a little bit around in here.

We've been there once, but a lot of times, it's not going to be the same.

He's an old man, and he's a partisan.

You know, I understand.

Well, he's any better than anybody else.

He's old and partisan, though.

He's doing it.

We're right at the idea that he was.

Now, that's where he ran into that terrible fellow in the prison at Warbucks that they, you know, attacked and killed him, you know, and he was stopped, you know.

Now, I think he's, he's a good, he's a good, he's a good, he's a good, he's a good, he's a good, he's a good, he's a good, he's a good, he's a good, he's a good, he's a good, he's a good, he's a good, he's a good, he's a good, he's a good, he's a good, he's a good, he's a good, he's a good, he's a good, he's a good, he's a good, he's a good, he's a good, he's a good, he's a good,

which I personally think the Democrats are going to overplay it.

They are right now.

But if they push this to the point where there is no Secretary of Agriculture, what we've got to do is start having a lot of programs slowed down, a lot of stories come out that the Democrats have stopped the operation of agriculture.

It was fun stuff because the fire was a good thing.

The fire was not likely to be used.

And right now, it's hurting us.

You know, we've got, um, we've been cut dead, and it's off the clock by this, and I'm usually reprimanded by the business.

But, you know, we can't keep that up.

What's the matter with our people?

Nobody's speaking up for them.

You know what it is?

It's not a problem.

Will anybody speak up for him?

Oh, yeah.

We're trying to get somebody to check in beforehand to see if somebody wants to speak up for him.

Maybe that's the problem.

No.

McGregor has gone through Aiken and Scott and how about some farmers?

Percy.

Oh, yeah.

We had some farmers on ABC last night.

They were good.

They were up 18 in farms.

I'm at Farm Center.

Farm Center is the government's best.

No, it won't.

We're trying to get rid of it this morning.

And attack the Democrats for their partisanship and so forth and so on.

Well, that's what we'll expect to do now until we go a little back.

And it just is.

We're going to always have that.

Well, now the problem is with that one, the court does not follow anything.

I mean, that fight, I don't think that we lose on that one.

I think that, I mean, saying that Bradford is the right winner and so forth and so on, I can't believe that or just, you know, it's not certain.

I think that helps us because we

Thank God, he's a legal scholar and a conservative.

So, why should, if we got no votes from the Congress, why not one conservative?

Well, that's sensational.

I think that represents a lot of thoughtful people.

I didn't read it.

I thought it was something else.

What effect did he say?

Well, what he was saying was that they're attacking his ideology and this is

It's a very constructive case for you as to why you should be confirmed and why the height of demagoguery is imposing it because of this ideological view of applying a new standard for the future of the political court, exactly what the Constitution does not intend.

This political consensus, I don't know where you get it from.

That quite helps us in the first place, because the conservatives are just delighting in it.

They look at our car like, yes sir.

And there's just, you know, the defense, you know, the defense says something about, you know, they have anger every week.

They're coming around.

I think you've got to get them around.

Don't lay off of us, too, on the goddamn fire attack.

And that was on the defense.

Now, who's from the 8th Division talking about the budget?

Who's trying to break it?

Who's trying to?

And Chica.

I've never seen one conservative speak up for us on that.

You know what I mean?

Now, that took a lot of guts to go forward with that chief.

It did.

When they bailed, it was 10,000 to 35.

That was the actual count.

10,070 to 35.

There were 35 letters for him, chief, and 10,000 against him.

When you get that block out, 10,075 letters against and 35 letters for him.

That's all.

We're doing what's right best for the country.

Do you think it is getting true, Tom?

Yes, sir.

I do.

I think the, uh...

I can't pin it down to you, but I've seen it.

They're on account of the fact that the dove is fragile.

The environment is fragile.

Well, okay.

I know it's so damn hard.

It's true, but I'm not...

There still isn't any place that the Democrats would be very able to make a real difference.

Tell me this anomaly of these polls is the way y'all and your parents .

You can't always expect polls to go up.

And the main thing is not to have it go negative.

That's what we want.

I think there's a

I think we're on the verge of economic uncertainty turning around.

I read your Wall Street Journal column, and I've also been reading everything else.

I know that since I just didn't hear it, we argue, I expect, reading the whirlwind from people like Barron's and others who supported us earlier, and Milton Friedman, and for the right reason, and now they say, well, for Christ's sake, this is the wrong thing to do, and now they're going to bury him in the company.

On the other hand,

God damn it, I can't help but feel that there's something missing.

These figures today, I don't bet you they don't get a play at all.

Who's going to put them on passage?

You don't know what to think about it.

The MP figures.

What do you think, David?

The fact that they're readjusting the third quarter.

I think that's such a big adjustment that they're going to have to put them on passage.

He's doing everything he can to build it up.

That'll get up.

The financial press will get down.

It's such a staggering change.

And you know what's going to be adjusted again?

Later this time.

Because they keep realizing that retail sales are not so big a factor in the GFD.

Yeah, but if you read McCracken's, it would be Augustus Dahmer again.

But I must say, Schultz says it would go up.

He says, oh, it's just, I don't know why that is.

But there is a legitimate reason.

I took the issue of the rule check in on this.

They can't stay up with the retail citizens.

That's a hell of a report.

Can't we get them to quit putting out the preliminary papers?

That's what I tried to do with George and nothing else.

And George said that every academic community is .

Well, all right, I'm going to get some columns written.

This 33 and a third percent error, and then decisions are made sometimes, and demand that in the future that we have a new system of releases, which will do that.

In other words, have some attacks in.

Not all of you.

Because a lot of people do get misled by this.

That's right.

They're misled by the figures.

No, we're a statization community.

And also, they could also anticipate these justices.

That was such a steady pattern.

That was not a very good point.

Corporate rhetoric was the main point.

Well, it didn't go up as much as we wanted it to.

It wasn't going up a real growth of 4%.

What the Christ are they thinking about?

A real growth of 4%?

I mean, it was a very healthy real growth.

Oh, yes.

And a mature economy.

And the significant difference is that corporate traffic centers were built constantly, despite the breeze, which crippled the biggest traffic in the history of the economy.

They couldn't make the roads because they were frozen on the roads.

So, if you look at it all from a perspective, it really is, it is not a bad picture right now.

It's kind of a little, just to guide you through business, you know, you've got to be up for that.

I did a, I had an interesting evening with a light, a front of mountain light.

I haven't seen it in a long time.

It was a front of mountain couch, front doors, and I was,

executive of the Connecticut Defense Company.

So I came down to him, he was a Democrat.

And he said, you know, if you guys have missed what's really happening, he said, I get it.

Well, I walked through the shops, and he said, I get it.

The man on the street said, the president's image has completely changed in six months.

And I had to tell him about how I was worried about the economy carrying on.

He said, hell, forget it.

He said, that isn't what the president thinks.

President is going for is that he's become a gutsy, courageous, tough, don't-give-a-damn-what-the-consequences-are-going-to-do-that-thing guy.

And he said, back in the 50s, I was no Mexican.

He said, I'm a Mexican.

They were that tough.

Democrats, who are the gutsy and courageous.

That's what I did tomorrow.

Deliberately.

Well, that's the main reason I'm doing it.

It's the whole reason.

I don't give a shit.

The speech game got off on the wrong foot, they didn't, they didn't even talk to me.

So I couldn't proceed to write a nice speech, putting all that in a speech.

I'm not going to attempt it.

I'm not going to lose.

I'm going to write a collection on the game, but nobody knows this piece of old speech.

The only one that knows it is Holland.

I'm putting out the blandest bullshit you ever saw.

I said that in advance, and I made it more fun, and I put it out, and I cut it down.

I'm proud of the record they played.

It's just their ass, you know, and they don't want to do this to anybody.

I'm going up and saying, uh...

I don't know.

Let's go.

But you see, that's the thing.

If you can't possibly read the kind of speech, that kind of speech wouldn't work.

Don't try to get into the words you did very well.

That is the way that that kind of line can't be written.

That would be picked to death by the writing press.

And the writing press will put these plans on the gun.

They'll all write it.

I'm not going to read it.

I'll stand by it.

I'll look at it.

And I'll talk to him in 20 minutes, 20 minutes, 20 minutes.

I wasn't recurring in confidence because he wouldn't go with this book.

But that's the way I want to put it.

That's the way I'm going to play it.

Last night, Brooke was asking me what she was doing.

And I said, I bet you I know what she's doing.

I bet you she's going to miss you this morning.

And then, certainly in the heart of the way, I know you won't believe it.

And there's going to be sins.

You know, I've seen you do it before.

But the important impression that I would have on her is that she's married to Peter.

is that you want to know what they do on a day-to-day, on a house letter, if it's going on during the night, how many Democrats are going to kiss those asses, and just what they're doing.

You have the courage to build a war on the border that I want, and I don't care what kind of response you get.

That contributes to the building of the image of Richard Nixon as a man who doesn't give a damn about the consequences.

He is going to do what's right for this country.

He is activist.

He has got guts.

That's what I want the story to be.

I don't plan to do that, but I know that it would be a good idea to do that.

But I don't care if you don't do it, but I'm trying to do it.

You've got to work at something.

It's the kind of things that are more scholarly.

So it's going to be very, very good.

And that doesn't, that just is having an impact across this country.

I don't give a goddamn what the Gallup Bullshit says.

Well, the Harris thing could be right in the Gallup and right, too, in a sense.

Because the Harris thing, in person, relates to a major of sentiment.

Look, his came out, as you said, in 5641.

His first one.

And the next one's in 5048.

Well, it's done up.

And that's hung onto a commercial one, you know, 56-43.

And say 43.

And then the next one.

But that's no, that's hard to figure out.

Oh, no, he doesn't leave you a chance to represent.

He's able to benefit from it.

Well, if you were to factor out Gallup's undecided, you'd come up with a 57% approval.

47-43.

That's right.

Yeah, I thought, oh, of course.

And Harris does that.

You see, Gallup moved his undecided vote on 4% this time.

So, uh, okay.

But you know, the economic situation is, you know, it's, it's been, it's been, it's been, it's been very well-being.

I think that then, I think that then the barrage from the media crushing, shattering, defeat for the president on the UN and on 4A, remember that, that was a whole week

But the Harris thing...

could be right in the Gulf and right, too, in a sense.

Because the inheritance thing, of course, relates to the nature of Santa Monica.

Look, his came up.

He said 5641.

His first one.

And the next one's 5048.

Well, it's done up.

And that's hung onto a commercial one or something.

You know, 5643.

You can say 43.

and then the next one but that is no that's hard to figure out he's very little oh no he doesn't at least give you a chance to decide he's able to better well if you if you were to factor out Gallops has decided he'd come out with a 36 percent approval and a 37 percent approval so he's got 43 uh

Yeah, I don't know, of course, and Harris does that.

Gallup moved his undecided vote on 4% this time.

But you know, the economic situation is competitive, and if that's effective in Gallup, well, it could be.

That would very well be.

I think that in the barrage from the media, crushing, shattering, defeat for the president on the UN and on 4A, remember that there was a whole week crushing, shattering, defeat, and it was sort of similar in a lot of what you would call only crushing, shattering, defeat.

So it allowed us to get rid of it.

This one, though, now we've won the event, but we've got the particular resolution to arrest.

Well, the one thing together was taking the samples at that time when we were catching them.

Oh, it was all that?

It was all that we came with.

Well...

Defeated occurred on Monday, and then they, with the Senate on Friday, it was taken right after the Senate voted against 480.

That's where we can say, we're working to reverse the psychology of the defeat.

My view is that that's true.

I must say it was President Gallup who played that role.

Yeah, he did.

There's one way that we could,

Wipe this uncertainty off the rules.

We may need to get kind of into a full-scale press conference at some point.

Maybe even this weekend.

I'll get into it this weekend.

If I do the labor thing, I'm going to run it.

I don't know if you can do it Saturday.

Or even Monday.

I mean, by the way, I haven't talked to him, but he's so wrapped up in the fact of understanding that he has come up to the max to give us his thoughts.

But we may need to just kind of settle this a little bit down.

The trouble is, people aren't listening to all of the animal bureaucrats, and they shouldn't.

He's doing really well, but he isn't happy about it.

He's probably not.

Connelly Spooks was, and he just made it here.

It's like the psychology of the business community is technically requiring us to really contribute to business.

It may be necessary to do it, but that's just a development.

We're going to have to do it.

But it doesn't actually matter.

I don't know.

He actually has a tax bill on his mind.

Now, he's asking for a press conference.

But he's only wanted to do it, unfortunately.

He did well.

He didn't do what they expected him to do.

He was sort of a lefty.

Well, he did denounce something.

It was on him.

But I did copy him.

And he did extremely well with all the presentations and questions.

So, I have a feeling that I could be terribly wrong.

I've been right about this before.

I just have a feeling that it's a, that the psychology is just too natural that it would kick up

or it could stay flat.

If it stays flat, it's liable to sink in to the food sooner than anybody else.

But it's almost an emergency.

The market's strong, so I'll put that together now.

And you should have the rules in yesterday.

You went good when I didn't give you the rules.

It's a little improving, but we've just hit that, that ticker that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that,

We'll have the C.P.I.

tomorrow, but I understand it shouldn't be.

I don't know how many of you have the idea that it's the point to test their lives.

I've been having instructions for the past few years now, and I can't believe it.

It's not a...

It's not a... Well, that's fine.

I mean, I don't know what's the point of discussing manual work and doing that.

That's the point of the police.

I don't know how we can preserve what is the tallest press conference in the Bible.

We have a press conference today.

I hear them talk about the issue of putting a focus now on all the very emotions around it.

The basic decisions that have been made by the table and the press board and the guidelines.

There are students who recently reported it.

Of course, we know where our goal is next year.

We're going to make that goal.

And we haven't done it in like a minute, you know, before.

And I think it's good to tell them.

Maybe.

I don't really care about that.

We don't care about you at all.

We just want to tell them.

Tell them in about four or five minutes.

I may be jumping again.

Maybe we'll go back later next week.

Of course, that depends, too.

Basically, maybe we ought to give him the Tuesday slot.

I was planning to do it first, then I was thinking of holding on to it.

I told Holland I was convinced that going from prime time on, um...

It's not a good idea.

What's your opinion about that?

I agree with that.

He argues it a little the other way.

He says, well, people at home, their thoughts about them, you know, around Christmas time, it's all wasteland.

And for me to go on, and when people make a comment, it's all about, you're off, and they're running off, and so forth.

And their thoughts are not good.

They're thinking about the game, and so forth.

We improve the thoughts at a prime time.

So you're

You couldn't do it Wednesday night before next week.

It would just be a mess.

Yeah.

Well, if I did so, then I did it.

Or I may do an office one.

I have no reason to do the office one.

There's .4 reason.

I don't think I can do it.

Due to the fact that this was, again, a great conference.

Our Chinese announcement will not be made this week.

That is what I thought.

I just, I don't want to continue to answer that question.

The day of the Chinese trip, I think, to the U.S. would be next.

Now, don't bring this to us all, particularly on the scallop.

You must not know that we haven't told the state or anybody.

We just haven't.

And we must not know that you know either.

It will not be this week.

We're keeping everybody guessing this week.

So now the question is, with no announcements made, with no developments made, whether or not I should have an office press conference in Houston.

What do you think?

I think my own feeling is that the other went so well,

that they did re-ride for a while, and if anybody expects them, then the option would be to go in California, something entirely new, and do something out there on the 29th or 30th from California.

Another reason is to try and stop at 7.30 California time, 10.30 Eastern time, and be flexible.

I don't think we need to take the West Coast in crime.

I think it's present that if you're going to do it, your next question is, what are the products you do for it?

And if you really haven't said one,

that people can see you in the best format to take the question for a while, for a long time.

It's not such a gem.

It already made your house.

It might fix it.

Those were not questions.

You see, I've been on prime time an awful lot.

I had the China announcement.

I had phase two, two economic speeches on prime time and a Supreme Court decision on prime time.

So I have a book on prime time.

But I haven't had a Q&A on prime time.

And we're gonna use that very heavily during the next year.

But I think we're, I think you see,

We've got our Democratic president and the networks who want to almost bomb us.

If I had gone through the prime time, through the summit, through the press conference, did you notice that they haven't been speeding them up and not having the prime time president?

I don't think they want him.

Don't you agree?

I haven't heard one.

Do you remember before they were saying, when are you going to have a president?

No, they don't.

Well, now, if that jet gets sick, I know what that convention is going to be.

What the hell?

This other kind of conference is exactly what they all said they wanted.

It allows follow-up, it allows the experts, it's just a show, and so forth.

But your country needs to see a prime time.

It's too bad that the one last week could not have been a prime time, but it was a prime time.

If that had been a prime time, I think it's two or three months ago, just like that.

I'm not sure, but it's good to reassure people.

I've got to see you out there once in a while.

My theory is correct, but the image that you have developed and the tough activists who will do what's right no matter what, then people want to see you in that press conference or they want to see you get an answer like you did.

You gave tough answers to me.

You gave that posture of being decisive and being tough, and answering exactly what you thought, quickly, amnesty for your employees, and are we sliding into Cambodia like we said when we did the sliders?

And that's just great.

That's what makes people cheer when they see you.

Not just press, people want to see you.

I've got a president who's LHR, and you're absolutely right, the Democrats, they're getting desperate in this television situation.

Absolutely desperate.

Well, I think it's because we just took a look at it before the video, so I'm like, we had no chance.

It's terrible.

I'll be back.

Well, do you remember the case a year ago when C.P.S.

gave a half-hour delay in finding Nancy?

We took it into the commission.

You know, there's a part of the field that's over there.

It's got to be right at the version of the clock.

Okay, good.

No, Jesus.

Let the other ride.

What you get out of that, Mr. President, is good printed press.

I know.

But that's going to be...

The other one, though, if they get it, they'll throw it out.

Sure, because you probably would have handled it better.

But if you do that in your office, the difficulty is that you'll get a lot of newspaper faculty not wanting to see some people behind the cameras.

Well, how about going out and they have another possibility to go out and...

How about going up?

There's another one in the aisle.

Yeah.

Yeah, money's free.

Have you drop over, then I want to come.

Bob, when you've got it, I'm going over to check a couple things.

I don't know if it's worth my effort.

I mean, it may be.

If we want to go, if we want to be on television, I think we should get on television for Tuesday night by going out to the room and answering questions.

If I have to prepare, I'll take Monday off to prepare.

I'd like to see you do it the weekend.

And on Friday.

I think your next one should be on Friday.

I think the weekend is nice to get to know what it is.

Plus the fact that you got a damn good ride last weekend.

You will get a good ride this weekend at the end of the road.

You're going to get a ride at the end of the road.

For sure.

Then you go into kind of a housekeeping road.

It's just an inevitable road.

And people, you know, every now and then you get over it.

But they're curious when people don't really focus on government and all the tough issues.

It's not bad when things quiet down a little bit.

What would be interested in controlling the incident?

Dewey always had a theory that now and then you ought to get out of the mine mine.

However, that was a different age, I suppose, to take a, to take hell out of it.

He wrote this memorandum about a year ago, and he said, Dominic, I don't want to go on every damn day.

That overstates it, too.

The candidate, the question the candidate says, I'm going to go on every damn day, but I'm not.

My view, Mr. President, is that the winning force is, as I believe, the tough activists out front.

You dominate the dialogue between the causes, but it is important to dominate today.

If you're in a trust factory, you can't tolerate it.

If you're thinking about having him do a press conference, not because of, say, some of his history, but because of the reason he saved the sale of the press conference, what he said to the international community.

Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

Now we're in phase two, and I want to take a report on it and so forth.

But I would argue that, I would put it this way, that we went on to do the explanation after phase one was announced in the briefs.

We went on to do the explanation of what we were hoping to accomplish in phase two.

Now we are out of the briefs, and we are in phase two, and everything is in order, and now we explain that it's all wrong in the point.

Well, just say, look, it's going to work.

You know, we had that little drill in the cabin for a moment.

We got a little of that.

Well, if it's not bad, we're doing it.

Yeah.

You're going to pay a check with the cost because of the unusual.

Now.

You see, the odds sort of marked the transition, but it didn't really say we're in the phase two as it's going.

Now, we have this problem, which relates to our press conference.

Why don't we forget about the press conference?

I'm not, well, my point is, Chuck is arguing that.

My view is the domination of the battle.

We don't want to forget the press conference.

At this point.

but we quite deliberately forgot them in the summer.

And you may not have noticed, but I have watched this very closely.

Have you seen any Democrats or any of the media demanding that I go on crime-packed television?

Have you heard any of those sons of bitches in the press room doing it?

Just the opposite.

They're against you, aren't they?

There's an undercover junkie about overusing television.

That's right.

This decision is wrong.

No, there has been one.

No, the rather took the other line.

That's the only one.

That's a pure rhetoric, pure rhetoric.

Yeah, I think so.

That's over here.

That last one, that was a joke, that was easy.

Or this one, or this last one.

This one.

Some of them, you know, the Courtney Sheldon group, which is this AP, they get on the not enough press conferences all the time.

Sure.

In their own little circle.

But that's, it's just on a not enough press conferences point.

And none of them push for developed press conferences.

They don't want to.

And they haven't pushed on that one since you've been doing some of these in-office ones.

And the Democrats, or the Democrats, I'm saying, one of the same groups, the National Committee of the United States, are going to be important to the challenge here at the private press conference, as well as the private conference, as well as the district.

I think they've got a great group.

They need to challenge their right to be strong.

They need to encourage them.

My only point of comment is that it might be good for him to dominate the dialogue next week, but for you to dominate it and follow the record.

Well, I'll tell you what I had in mind when we did a little bit of the second period.

If he's on record saying we're wrapped up to the economy, then we can refer back to what Secretary Donahue said last week.

It's all done.

It's all over the line.

What he should say is that all of the uncertainty is out, and we now know exactly what we are doing, how we are doing it.

Inquiries are coming in at the end.

I can't say that because I've heard it on the ground, but to an extent.

Say it as much as you can.

He can go, now that it's going to work.

That's the main thing.

The big thing he can say is that A, the freeze worked, which we get from the government for us, but it really worked.

All the numbers will be in for that time.

So the stable loan is the prices during the freeze.

We created a million new jobs.

You can say that tomorrow.

I put that on the floor.

They do.

In order to get the, in order to build up to what we might do, obviously, press conference is not a big thing.

No, we haven't been out for a week in advance.

Not a week in advance, we've been out for three or four days in advance.

We've been out for a week in advance because you're, if you want to do it in California, because you're going to do it in California, so people will be able to make their plans.

The advance is to do it in California, which is going to happen there, but don't...

You want better questions, right?

The California press has pretty good questions.

You have 60 press with you anyway.

I'm not going to worry about the California press this time.

You shouldn't.

I'm not worried.

I had one or two of them.

You don't watch the show.

That's fine.

Tell me this, in California, we do it there about ten weeks.

And we really did do a little bit better on the arrangements.

That was an atrocious arrangement last night.

The room was much too large, if you recall.

It was a bad room.

Remember, the sound was not done right.

But we did not miss that.

It was a bad room.

It was too big a room.

Come on in here.

Come on in.

Well, the British have accepted, but not the British.

I've talked to Connolly, and he's going to call the meeting, and that's good for the city.

What did he feel about it?

Did you tell him?

You let him in on the game.

Oh, yeah.

With Carlos, you must always tell him everything.

He did, because he played it all back to me.

I know you haven't, but I'm just telling you this.

I don't want you or other people wanting to do it.

We need his judgment on such things.

No, I told him what he came for.

And what did he say?

He said, about the following.

What does that say about going to these meetings to see one?

Oh, yes.

In fact, he's got to do it.

The one problem there is that he's got to explore it.

That he and Buffalo, amongst his others,

Rather than being miscued, he doesn't seem to have much sense of penalty.

I'm over that.

I don't want to interact with the other people.

The other officer.

The whole purpose of that.

I want to see... Let me say this.

No, no, wait a minute.

Let's talk about two captains.

The poor industry and the perjured man.

Nobody wants.

I think you will buy.

If he doesn't want it, we won't have it.

No, we've got to have it.

You've got to have it.

It gets us a lot of stress if we have a meeting without Russians.

Well, we have Russians, but I think Connolly ought to be there, too.

I think it's essential.

Connolly is really, really important.

Did you tell Cromer about having Connolly there?

He did not.

But they're wrong, because we need Connolly there for another reason, Mr. President.

He has to see you operate in this context so that he can become the signal.

If Connolly sees Connolly play the political frame,

Uh, he isn't that fixed in his monetary policies that he wouldn't go into the U.S.

I want you to be sure, though, to let Eaton and Popal do it, and Brown, oh, Brown, I mean, and Dunn.

But with Eaton and Popal doing it, I want meetings along with them.

And that's what they want to do.

You also have to have a good friend, because that was his answer to the public minister.

He had, yeah, no doubt, his, uh, shield.

Yeah, his shield.

And Dunn, actually.

Oh, my God, he's got me.

He said he was calling the G-10 on the 30th, but that he was not going to settle anything good there because he said, let the president settle it at the other meetings.

Exactly.

That was the biggest point.

That's his very strong point.

I don't know the Kromer again.

He said, we can lay the groundwork so it's all there, but they don't know exactly what we've ended up with, and then we settle it afterwards.

In fact, Kromer says we shouldn't know much of anything at the G-10 meetings.

We should just...

Let's let it up and set it up in advance so that nobody expects anything.

I was going to be tempted to say this is a discussion thing and then have very orderly communicated about it.

That's correct.

That's the way Dr. Grover, again, indicated, as he says, he has no authority in Iowa.

That's right.

We'll keep him forgiven.

That's where he'll be forgiven.

Does he like that idea?

He likes it.

He's going to get to that.

Good.

He sent a very, very warm message.

Thank you very much.

Let me ask you one thing, Henry.

What in the name of God does that damn United Nations mean on that revolution?

Are we going to do what they say?

Can't we do it?

Do we have to follow them?

How did the British vote on that?

One of the two votes.

That's what I think.

I don't want to get out of Congress.

I'm going to vote the other way.

But that's already... No, they won't.

Well, I'm just hearing it.

I just want to be sure.

I want to stay out of it.

What's Zinker going to say?

Well, yesterday's state sent over a statement they wanted you to make.

Yeah, then I was saying we'll support the United Nations.

No, sir.

Never.

Mr. President, I've got so confident with you today.

Yeah, today, right.

I still did.

said they wanted you when you signed the procurement bill or whatever his throne was attached to.

He said you're not going to do any other part.

But what's going to happen, Mr. President, is that Hume is now in a position.

They're trying to make a deal.

I hope you, Dr. Cromer, the thing that I told Hume at the last of the meeting, and I want him to...

I wish he... Could I suggest something?

that you make a telephone call to him, and you'd say, now look here, and then let him in, and say, now this Rhodesian crone, and the president's getting a hard line, you know, this U.N. line, he's getting a hard line.

Second, he wants you to know that whatever deal you make in Rhodesia, you'll back him.

And I think we ought to tell him that.

Because you know, this would be great if they could make a deal with him.

We can tell what's got to happen.

You see, if they make a deal in Rhodesia, the British will abolish this act.

The British sacked about 80% of the total sanctions.

So after that, there'd be no sanctions.

Why in the hell is there any sanctions?

So I think we should just be quiet about the U.S. thing because it could become a mood issue if the British make a deal.

And, well, that's the thing to tell states if the British are leaving here and we want to get into it now, or what they could tell them.

That's just what we're talking about.

They're probably saying, I just didn't get you involved at all.

I didn't want them to believe that you refused.

I just said I'd put it before the president if he had anything to say.

I wouldn't call you man, I wouldn't call you.

I felt it was better that they were afraid that I screwed it up rather than administrate it.

It doesn't do any good with that.

You were fighting the actors.

On a crappy little thing.

You end up opening the next season and we end up having a better life.

Thank you for that.

But now, they're very hard on you.

What do you think got you just turned around here?

No, no, no.

I had a conscious problem in the last class.

I know you hadn't been trying to focus in a very serious way, I said, but it doesn't go out of business.

And we find it a little painful.

And then he proposed to me in the fall.

And I said, I want to tell you as a friend.

I was in Mexico City.

And he called me at midnight.

So we had a good friend of his.

And it's essential that we stay in step with each other.

And that's one of the things.

When will all of these be announced?

It's very good to have them all announced in one day.

I've seen that.

That's my position.

My second announcements aren't that long ago.

The British did well.

Well, I did too.

So, they didn't go to jail.

But now on Pompidou, the date is no problem, Mr. Henry.

But we already told him the date.

It's irrelevant to us.

Your original point was, given the four, it didn't make any difference to them.

You said do it over the weekend.

Well, that's what we went back on.

In Henry's office, without Henry, he has a concern about the 11th and 12th for other reasons.

I don't think that makes any difference.

As far as we're concerned, except for this time of the week.

I don't give a damn, Bob.

We can't do a Friday.

It's Saturday, Sunday, Monday, or Tuesday.

Well, they do Monday or Tuesday.

Maybe they prefer Monday or Tuesday.

We're fine with that.

You can travel on Sunday.

That's right.

Monday and Tuesday is fine.

There's something to be said for doing it Monday and Tuesday, right?

There is something.

All right, Monday or Tuesday.

Does that mean your problem is what you wouldn't have far to go with?

In any event, it still sets it up.

We're not afraid of judgment.

Right.

Now, incidentally, let's make points with confidence.

with regard to the Pete Gruden and the President, and the work is out, and the Congress, and the Secretary's going to call up, and they're going to do a potential interview.

Fair enough.

That's the way you want to have me now, to oppose what, the $1,000 and $1,300?

No, $1,300 and $1,400.

$1,300 and $1,400.

That's Monday through Saturday.

Is it 12 or Sunday?

I mean, we travel.

We travel on Sunday.

Right.

And we work this out with every country, too.

That's fine.

That sets him, incidentally, into a better pattern.

Monday and Tuesday with him, the following Monday and Tuesday with Pete, the following Tuesday and Wednesday with none.

So it's back and then away.

And it's early in the week in each case, it's quick removes.

Totally dominating him over here.

Yeah, I do.

I don't think we can get it all set by the village for 48 hours.

Well, listen, we don't care.

You mean, by what means?

He said to you, he said, no process would be the best time.

Let me say that I've been doing some thinking, and I think that I will, first of all, I have decided that I will not do the press next week at all, because I've been around, I think I won't come if you allow me to do something on my face to the situation.

And I think that I, having been up last week, that I don't want to be tickled as nine to death about when I have nothing new.

So therefore, is that what they do, concerned about getting ready by next week?

But if you couldn't, I don't know.

But I don't know if that's a good example.

We'll give us another time.

All right.

You do have to go leave, though.

Okay.

It's time to leave.

Time to go to the book.

We don't mind that.

Then how about setting it to the button on the 30th is what they want to do.

That's when you can start on the 1st and then the 30th.

Any date to give us is only to give the French 72 hours, the British 72 hours, the 48 hours, and then another 24 hours.

Well, it turns out, if it's a problem for you, I'll see not to it any time.

We can go to this room now.

Well, Monday or Tuesday, it seems to me.

Next week.

Yeah.

That would be great.

I would really rather have it.

And then we'd have big news before Thanksgiving.

And we'd dominate the news next week without having a press conference.

Because there's no reason to frankly have this at any press conference.

Well, then use that as your news.

Use economy as the administration economic.

Right.

Use foreign policy and domestic policy.

All right.

How about shooting for Wednesday?

That gives you more time.

Wednesday of next week.

Is that good?

No problem.

Where is it?

He gets a nice green one and he spends it on his mom.

And he'd go from the end of the year to the end of the year.

And he'd come and tell her, you know, how bad it is.

You know, he'd take you back to Ducey's, but also you could use Monday, Monday on Thursdays, too.

You know, Ducey's is kind of bad.

You got to do something.

Well, Wednesday's all right.

If you're the only one setting the chart, there's one, two, three, four, five days.

No, that's what happens if you haven't stopped it that year.

If you haven't approached it, approach it easier.

That's the good deal.

Well, listen, Henry, the delays would be... How about Wednesday?

Let's do it Wednesday.

Yeah.

Well, now, wait a minute.

How about Wednesday, though?

Is that all right?

Wednesday gets us more flexibility.

Fine.

Now, what is the drill with our regard to coming to state?

How is this going to be worked out?

I don't know.

You'll get this one.

You know that we've had this before.

All right.

Yeah.

Why don't we say it?

God damn it, how are we going to do it?

Are we going to say it from our ass?

Or what?

We have to sound it.

I sound it.

I'll build a damn well.

I'll say, I sounded the mouth of everyone that you told to say those formal invitations and follow-ups.

You sounded about because it's involved in the communist operation.

It's pretty economic.

Thank you.

Now, when are you going to start forming that state?

As soon as I've locked it up.

I'll lock it up.

We'll say that the group of ten...

I just don't know how you're going to do it, how you're going to handle it.

By how?

Just say with the faith that we had an approach from them, from Pompidou, once you started there.

Pompidou wanted a meeting.

No, Pompidou wanted a meeting.

I'll put it on the page.

And then I said I would consider it, unless we have meetings with the others.

I'll put it also on the page.

I said we wanted to get it to the financial side.

They wanted meetings on the financial side.

And I said, well, we, and it turned out that they did approach Connolly on this.

I've said that they want them separately rather than together.

And I said, that's better.

How's that sound to you?

They want to meet on the financial side.

And we'll use it also for the purpose of consulting prior to our case abroad.

I don't think there's any answer everywhere this way.

Much just... Well, actually, I thought it up.

I just thought it up.

There's never been presidential...

There's never been done this way.

There's never been done any other way.

There's...

There always is... Well, just say that I... Well, I think I can get people so screwed up that...

Why don't we just say that we had this sounding from the French with regard to a meeting.

We started with that.

And that I took it with regard to the finance.

I calmly thought it would be useful.

Let's see, college would be useful on that, because you might fight further because of the international thing.

But we got it.

So he's going to call the group at 10 on the 30th.

And the French want to do that.

And we go and do the other second one.

And through informal signage, we find that the Germans are willing to come then.

The British want to come then.

And I'll see the French then.

And it's Conway that it will be a meeting.

But that Conway and Rogers or...

Right.

I don't need the chief protocol this time, believe me.

And they don't either.

Let's make this one where I want that to be very clear.

I don't mean that we don't have somebody there to help us.

Let's be sure that it's true.

The meeting will be purely business.

There will be no social events.

Everything is stag.

Fair enough.

But you haven't been talking in terms of the stag meetings, have you?

That's what they want.

Well, Pompidou doesn't particularly care for his wife, anyway.

He doesn't have one.

And Cimbron probably doesn't like his wife all the time.

That depends on what you decide to do in Florida.

But that's different anyway.

Brown is different.

He's going to come for a vacation, so you can have Brown do the dinner.

We can have Brown do the dinner, but just make it.

It's a good deal.

Go ahead.

That really kind of settles the first thing.

We probably have to go to .

We've got to get that set now.

We're up to our asses.

That's in January, though, definitely.

Well, I won't do the shoot.

Yeah, the last week of January, the first week of February.

It would be very good if we could have that.

You checked with Henry before you called Rockets.

Very good if we could have that blocked and could announce that at the same time.

I think we should announce the last primary.

There is the French, so we're talking to our friends.

It'll be a hell of a big story.

Any good, some positive stuff in there, do you think?

Absolutely.

I don't tend to be, I don't tend to be a sissy.

Well, then I'll tell you again.

Relax.

Well, ask Bill.

Why don't you tell Bill this?

Bill...

I can get it ready by Wednesday.

I can just make a progress check with him.

Yeah.

Say, we have an announcement on Wednesday before Thanksgiving, you know, we've got a dead spot in the news and so forth.

And then he can't, and then he says, oh, it's too much and so forth.

All right, I said, we can't.

Well, on the other hand, you can get a few minutes, but you announce one, and you get it later, and you get it later, and that's the other.

Got it.

Yeah, and then you go home.

You're out of work.

All good.

But I want the Latin American ones ready to announce before the 30th.

Just put it that way.

What day before the 30th did you have this ready to go in the Latin America?

Just put it that way.

It's on my thing.

It's a press conference in California where the question may well come up.

It's going to work.

You've got to never get into dates.

Just let it work out all by its natural ways.

Now, in the light of this, does it not make sense, Bob, not to do a press conference this week?

Yep.

Yes, it does make sense not to.

I'm perfectly welcome.

I'm geared for it.

I have this material on my mind pretty much.

It'll just be a press conference for the sake of having one.

Now, I don't think that's the best.

You know, it's better to get the economy bounce on economy.

Who can do it?

More positively than you try.

You know, it's more fun.

Well, but nobody can build.

He can say that he can't.

And then you do it for modeling before we can get more focus for a lot of this and then the more I'm lost.

I'm sorry.

I agree.

I'm sorry.

Well, if you know what's convinced me, I've heard, when I heard that meetings with the bipartisan leaders can stand consciously, like they can often say, and I know what they're going to do, they're going to go to Florida.

They say they can't hang a motion.

Most of those guys are going to have to hang a motion.

Of course, the Senate will be here.

They won't have to hang a motion.

A lot of that will take off.

If you want to talk to me, you're going to have to.

Thank you.

Rick, who I sent, said there's plenty of time to cancel the briefing.

What briefing book does he do?

That's good.

But tell him to prepare one for the following week.

And I will need it in California for a year.

Just put the briefing book back one week.

Fair enough.

What about Sunday in California?

Sunday night.

I don't want to report it on Sunday night in California.

Conway is going to have two reservations about President Trump.

One is that he's concerned that we'll get questions on the international monitoring situation.

He can handle that as long as he's not, he's not advocating on the group count.

Right.

And in fact, I've got a fellow in the battle this morning who's going to talk to Conway about this too.

And the second reservation will be the impact, in fact, he'll try to make it easy to avoid upsetting the family with what he said.

In fact, the President will be helping him.

Yeah.

Because what do you want to talk to him about?

Some press conference, if possible.

I can go over and see him, but don't tell him I want him to have it.

I don't.

If he does, he'll do it against his will.

I want his judgment on it.

See what I mean?

I can have this, but he won't do it unless he's a good person.

And it's not that he doesn't, it's not that he's not willing.

Well, you can say that he's not in an order.

I mean, he's got all sorts of things on his mind.

He can do it so well.

Why don't you put it this way?

That I vote, that I've gotten the chance to read the American Constitution, and I think that that needs to be heard nationally.

and that I can be very helpful to your attention.

That I am going to have a televised press conference tentatively the following week.

That I want to, I can be very helpful not only this week, with something off-leash, just saying, now phase two has begun, it's going to work.

And to answer your questions just like you did up there.

And that I think if we can do that, and hopefully

Chuck's not supposed to know about the group attention.

I won't.

He doesn't have to.

I would prefer to finesse the international questions to later points.

But I think that the time is very propitious.

If he could do it.

I don't think he has to do it Tuesday, Bob.

I think he could do it Wednesday.

He may need an extra day.

Tuesday or Wednesday.

We get so tied up with whether it's Tuesday or Wednesday because they go like, thanks for the date, so I think I'll have to listen.

On the news, I don't think he's going to get time to prepare for Tuesday.

He's got to be involved internationally and all that kind of stuff.

He can't do it Monday.

He can't do it on Monday.

No way he's going to do it on Monday.

No, we couldn't do it.

We just got these deals, and we're getting a little better.

We didn't have enough bills.

The main thing, we wanted to do it.

Because we were wanting to catch the news magazines and all the other things.

In addition to that.

No, we didn't.

We didn't do it.

Tuesday was the best one.

If I could tell them, Mr. President, that you're kind of the one in the press conference next week, and it would be terribly important.

So that you're not hidden, I think, on that basis.

Of course, it needs to be said in the way that you can say it when the President came.

And that I think that this is very good in New York, and I want it for an actual audience.

And I know that they'll talk about Phase 2 and so forth.

and also that he can sum up positive news on the economy for the third quarter.

If he gets a little of that out, positive projections for next year.

We've got a little rest conference in Chicago tomorrow morning.

We're going to tie it back into the grand show notes.

Thank you.

Then I think we would announce it to the press tonight.

What would you do?

Announce it before we went to California?

No, that's too much.

Announce it Friday?

Announce it Friday.

Would you?

I don't know.

I'd be good at it.

I'm just saying.

Actually, you can do it when you see the movie.

Do it Wednesday before you leave, huh?

So you need, or you could, even Monday or Tuesday, we were going to wait until Tuesday to announce you were going.

Wait until Tuesday and say you're going to California, and this is your general plan.

You're going to stop at the beginning on the way out.

You're going to do the center dedication.

You're going to have the press conference on Tuesday.

We're announcing it Friday, so...

I mean, it gives us a little bit of a Friday story.

We will look at some other things happening today.

Well, and it also keeps you open.

In case something happens besides you don't want to hold me.

Yeah, I'm locked in.

Always a chance.

I feel well with my family.

Friday's the time to announce it.

Well, they showed you it was funny the time I was there.

You know, that erratic business is never good for us, though.

That's where we reach into life.

I don't think anybody really has a certain taste in that sort of stuff.

And you didn't do this on TV, did you?

That's a great old shit.

The press is lost in every damn press conference in the United States, and that's why they don't want it.

I don't believe, as others say, I don't believe that that kind of stuff affects the public's consciousness at all.

The public has a different impression of you than some other kind of activist.

But I'd rather take the same rule for what I've lost.

Absolutely.

I was talking to Chuck about the...

difference in Harrison and Gallup and, you know, those things.

If you get by with those, you know.

But Harrison, every other discount for Harrison is obviously wrong.

The question is which way.

Right.

Wrong one way or another.

He doesn't have an obvious answer.

Well, the investment obviously can't be that much of a shift in public opinion in that period of time.

The person has the best explanation, and I agree with him, that one of the two are actually the same.

If Harris is full, Bob's point is that Gallup's full actually.

If Harris only had 1% undecided chance, well, if you take percent of 1,

Yeah, but he always has had, because he presses, you know, on this, very good, only fair.

You see anybody who's not going to say, don't make it only fair.

That's where they end up.

Now, if you take the Gallup, it started out as 57.43 for the money.

The two on Harris did a good job.

Very good, and good, excellent job, Harrison.

Pretty good, pretty good.

And we want those, and we did 56%.

But Todd, he's done.

He's done.

He thinks probably he's got a little bit of a... What's wrong is that you can't have a 56, 37 or whatever it was.

No, it's a 43.

It's a 43 in one week and a 49, 48 in the next week.

He gets overwhelmed.

He gets a lot of dirty fast movement.

He's pretty good at anything.

That's a... That's a measure.

Yeah, it's a measure.

That's a bad name, I think.

It is a bit more sensitive.

What I think is that there is a period of time to how much older the company is over four days.

But apart from that, the Harris fee averages that Al comes up with

The incredible thing is that Harris would take those two poles, that they would be as widely divergent as they are, and then decide the way to solve this problem is to average them.

Well, he said over the period of October 26th through November 11th, I will have actually had about 3,700 units.

And I treat that as one pole rather than as two poles.

Anyway, whatever the case might be, the Gallup thing, Bob, I think has an aberration on the West.

I do too.

We'll find out with our own poll and we'll get some analysis on that.

We may be wrong, but I think it has an aberration.

I mean, I don't think there's that much of a change in the West.

Don't you agree?

Yeah.

Either that's what's wrong in Gallup or there is not much change in the West.

I think Gallup did well.

I don't want to go back to where it was, but Gallup reflects a massive bad week.

We had nothing but a bad week, and it reached a crescendo over the weekend, as you recall.

You had the U.N. vote.

You had to beat the Senate, the foreign aid.

And so all weekend, shattering the peace for the president.

There was nothing on television for that, correct?

That's absolutely correct.

Now that's bound to affect that poll, just like the shattering of the peace for the president's allowance was bound to affect that, did affect that in 2010.

Because that's an event.

The speech doesn't affect it, an event does.

Shattering the peace, right?

Absolutely.

He couldn't have picked the worst weekend of the world.

On the other hand, that's part of my guess is to have that weekend a week earlier than they are on their way down.

Like y'all already played.

Gallop, sure, he's got a week there.

The first time, in a long, long time, he's pulled one week.

He's pulled three weeks after that.

That was six, and it was 12 and a half this year, and I couldn't believe it.

Because he did go one period of the week.

In a long time.

Two months.

He did three in one month before that.

Oh, it's just a game.

They're screwing him.

Well, there's another reason for doing it that way, no problem.

Gallup and Harris both, all pollsters, tried, not only reported the same, but reported a change.

Now, I've noticed if you look at Gallup on Eisenhower or Johnson, they're tremendous aberrations.

Tremendous aberrations.

In Eisenhardt's first year, and I know this has to be wrong, in his first year he would show you at 70% in February and 59% in March in 1953.

I was there in the first year.

And then he bounced back up to 68 in April.

Nothing happened in March.

Absolutely nothing.

You can't have an 11% shift, of course, you see what I mean?

And the Johnson picks have aberrations like that too.

Some of Johnson's may be valid because there was an event.

Well, when he had an event like Glassboro, it was explained.

But there are other months in Johnson's case where he shifted 10 points in one month.

And I think it's a dwelling of Christ.

And ten months from ten points, this is the interesting thing, where they bowl the beginning of the month and the end of the month.

Ten points from the beginning to the end of the month.

Now the only thing I can figure out here is that either the first bowl was wrong or the second bowl was wrong.

Or Johnson might have had a similar thing.

You can have a pyramid of negative structures like that.

And it's a belief.

It has sort of a belief.

But you know what I, well, it's like as we know, that day it pulled dust, which nobody did.

My county, I mean, the dirt had an interflow of 15 feet.

But nobody did.

That drop came right back two days later.

Two days later.

It's back.

But if they had pulled it on that one wrong day, it would have had something.

It wasn't the dust that would have had it.

Now, this is even worse than I thought.

Here's the problem.

Mid-March.

67% approved.

This is on the first one in the front.

Remember the glow?

8% disapproved.

Late March, 59% approved.

13% disapproved.

April, 74% approved.

8% disapproved.

Now, you know damn well it didn't shift 15%.

percent from late March to April, or from mid-March to late March.

Nothing happened in that period.

Do you agree or not?

Yeah, there wasn't a problem with the load.

There wasn't a problem with the load.

Well, do you know how Gallup had us go after the November 3rd speech?

We were calling it the fact that we know it was wrong.

You showed a huge drop from in December of 51 or something like that.

What was it?

Something like that.

58, it was a huge defeat for this.

Yeah, now there are other times, there are other times when I was here, because Dick Johnson, I know this poet so well, and I never trusted him for that reason.

Bob Robinson used to say, the very wise followers, the first that he met, they're only interchangeable.

The second point, he used to say, they don't change that much.

He said, don't let him play it.

He said, I know.

He said, for example, in the campaign, when Gallup had won, he really hurt us badly.

Two weeks before the election, everybody was saying, Nixon is going down, Kennedy's coming out.

Gallup had a shift.

The polls had been running 50-50 all the way through, which is what it ended up as.

And Gallup had a shift.

Kennedy 53.

The following week he came back to 50-50.

I didn't go to deliver.

I don't think there was any change.

And Robbie, who I was working with, had you right at 50-50.

It never changed.

Now you could go to the same thing with Johnson.

here in Johnson, 1967.

Leaving out the Glassboro.

And in November, it's 41-49.

In December of 67, it's 46-41.

What kind of goddamn thing happened in that period of time?

And then, for example, in March of 68,

There was a thing where it was 48, 35, and it's 41, 48.

It doesn't shift that much.

They don't shift that much.

That's what's involved here.

Generally, though, Gallup is more dependable than Harris.

mainly because Gallup's impression is that there is an error.

It may not hurt as much, but a pro-destro they've been doing for so many years, and it separates it all.

I think Gallup does have aberrations, and I think sometimes when he has the benefit of trying to make a story, we'll take it to a three-point spread, one way or the other, in order to make a story.

That's very interesting.

Jim George told Rumsfeld last week, before the release of the Senate, that the approval was about the same or off a point or two

And that was two weeks after they'd taken a poll.

So it had to have been federated.

Two weeks after they'd taken a poll.

Oh, I didn't know that.

And they said it would either be the same or down to one, possibly two points.

So it went down to five points.

There's a big couple ready.

Why don't you sit up there?

Listen, we probably harassed a few people a month ago.

Oh, Dewey had them in his pocket.

Advertisers shot all these people.

So are they peaceful as they live, or are they publicity?

That's how you get their permission.

I was one of the best of the guys.

I came there anyway.

He's the most interesting guy in the world.

He's a very eccentric individual, so I can see that.

I'm not sure that he's as wild as we think.

No, I don't think so.

I don't think it's impossible.

No, I don't think we can get to him.

I have that feeling, too.

He doesn't give a damn.

He spent $15 million on this business.

He told General Motors at one time to go to hell.

He said they were crying.

And then they came back to him.

He's just a very bad guy.

He's totally invested.

He is not a guy with temperaments.

He's totally invested.

when I'd hired him before.

Couldn't be, couldn't be touched.

Of course, the point is, he's reflecting the latest events.

He's reflecting the troop announcement, the rest.

And Gallifo's still two weeks back, right about now.

And you could start on a subject

Well, the main thing is not to be a criminal or a criminal.

We know they affect others.

That's what we're concerned about.

I know about it.

They don't change that much.

The biggest thing is the clothes and events.

The biggest event that you want to pull is basically a personal attribute.

That's what it does.

Well, the biggest value of events is in raising health and things.

And those clothes go back to what you're suggesting.

Yeah, it does.

They are living on it.

But it really, the poles destroy them.

Yes, the poles destroy them.

They destroy them, and actually, when that plane got off, they didn't have that pole.

But it must be hanging on the ground.

It's Gallup.

It's Gallup piloting this time.

I don't know.

It says it did, and it's not.

Hopefully, that is.

I don't believe it.

That's what he said.

I think Harris is right on one point, but that is the theory.

It's not a correlation between the trial and the case.

We know that.

That's right.

Remember when the Kelly thing came out?

The trial was... We checked them in that day.

Well, the approval or disapproval may affect more than the movement of the country.

What they think of the president is a goddamn judgment.

No doubt about it.

That's why with the very sound move that there is, I think we're just damn fortunate that the whole group is going to approve him.

Because the move ain't just, you know, this is what the whole group is.

Correct.

That's it.

There's a consistent... No, there's no question.

There's better than 60%.

You could say, you know, you can think you're good at the right track, but you're fundamentally screwed up.

And that people are sort of pessimistic about the country.

I'm sure my sister is an over-question.

That's better now than it was before.

I don't think so.

It is with Sumer, at least.

Well, that's the Sumer Center.

I don't know how he measures the Sumer Center.

It's very impressive.

He asks his people, are you better off in the U.S. than in the United States?

That's different than our name is better.

There's no persuasion.

Do you think things are on the right track in this country?

I screwed up.

Which means, which really reflects what they hear in the city.

Your assignment is a consistent thing over the past several years, people.

You know it's done.

It went down for several years and then it's now consistent in the state as well.

Okay, got it.

In terms of the individual's perception of his position, does that include, you know,

I mean, you see, on the Javastan, particularly, that's the one, that's the biggest part of the, so many of the increases.

The less of an expectation for that plane.

That's because it hasn't gone up.

Well, it was also because of me and Warren's best new job in the creative department.

I started figuring people out later on.

It's layoffs that hurt.

And stories of, uh, and stories of a bus driver, you know, standing when you hit it.

Layoff under work is a hell of a lot more devastating to the psychology of an area that almost any, any situation is understandable, really.

He said, you know, Jim George is just a hell of a nice guy.

He was a divinity major in college.

He should have gone off into the church.

He doesn't understand anything about Poland.

He doesn't know anything about it.

He's naive.

He's got a lot of fighters around him.

Not very bright.

Old George is, uh, George, you know, is a real dove.

You might have looked at that press conference last Friday and said, you know, screw this.

We know that Old George has screwed us on that kind of stuff, on his questions.

Oh, yeah, at least that came on the... How he asked the question.

Yeah.

Would you like to get out of the war?

And everybody said yes.

Yeah, and then he puts it up.

Then he puts it out.

If he asked you, you'd say yes too.

I don't know if it was a real government war.

The press conference still was rather reassuring if you read it carefully.

Yeah, but he might have been wanted.

He did come out and set a date by which it was all over.

The war's over by May.

That's what he wants.

That's what he's been pushing for that fixed date for three years.

He has everything.

You can see him on television for a few times.

And he will also say Nixon can't be reelected unless he has the word completely.

So he can't have his role shown.

Good point.

I've seen him do that twice.

I don't want to do it.

On the other hand, Harris also says the board and Harris, and Harris, but I don't want to do it.

But anyway, yes, I don't want to do it, but I need to be held in the board.

Everybody wants to date certain.

We all want to date certain, sir.

Yeah, it's an interesting thing.

I noticed that there was a summary of the Saxby or Kaplan in Ohio, and somebody else took one, and they showed a difference in direct sort of 65% approval of what we're doing on this.

I don't know how they know.

Maybe the way they asked the question.

Do you think that's a problem?

Sure.

He said the approval of the process is doing the same thing.

And the law.

Well, there's another factor that I think we ought to make a piece of this, and I made it up in the syllabus one year ago.

The mainland needs a Republican senator who's generally good with our conditions.

Yeah, sure.

And he isn't.

I'm sending him because he's good.

But that's not there.

Sure.

And get him out.

And I think we ought to...

I remember Bob, I said several months ago, let's check around the country.

Whenever we get a good one, fine.

If we get bad ones, don't print them.

And we ought to really... Are we running those congressional meetings?

I guess we are.

Let's check out.

And we're getting, to some of us, that's pretty good.

It starts out, you know, all right, if you get a guy who does not believe us, you know, we're going to play some games.

It does make, it makes a difference on the state, but it's on the line.

So that's what I'm saying.

All right, we found a follow-up to that.

Let's press on to...

We write all this stuff together, and they don't use it, and we don't write it, for a fellow that really did it.

So the attack of Louis Kahn, the Democratic presidential candidate to attack today, is an array of political parasites that the Republican government wants to get to date on account.

Governor Louis Kahn, the outgoing chairman of the Congress of the United States, is urging governments to stop defending the President and begin a counterattack against the doomsday chorus of the opposition.

For three years, the efforts of our parties have dragged us through a disposing of the sad legacy of war, inflation, and hecticness, bestowed by this country by the leaders and wounded leaders of the up-and-coming Confederates.

Throughout these three years, the United Kingdom has been an array of political parasites who have tried to feed their presidential ambitions of this country's prevalence, prevalence which were all too often under their own name.

Where was known as musty, hungry, canny, and dry when America was pointed down without a war?

And that person is a strong person.

He's precise.

He agrees.

That's great.

That's enough kind of speech.

I need to ask you to speak to the Federation for a moment.

But on your best business terms, fill this condition.

John said Monday morning at the meeting with John that he was prepared and that he would be happy to meet with you all again.

Yeah, he's in pretty good shape, I think.

All right, if you talk about your concerns with this, that I was so impressed with that economic club thing, I think it ought to go to the National, but next week is the time to do it, so I'm going to do a press conference with Paul.

And it's very important that you have a clear way to engage with this track, and I'm concerned that we would like to do it, but we want to get a health report up on it.

I think that's what you need to do.

He takes it already, but you don't need to.

You just got this training.

You see, you've got to watch this.

These cabinet people do not get the impression we're ordered.

Colson's ordered.

I never say that anyway.

I know you don't.

For God knows the problem that you're having.

Oh, well, well.

Whatever it is in heaven, it's a woman who's in the first place.

How many does he have?

How many?

He just keeps track of them.

The more you get in trouble, the more you need to keep track of them.

And you can't do it with this guy.

You know what?

That's the problem.

That's what we want.

But if he wants to talk to me about it, that's the problem.

and he said, well, I'd like to talk to you.

I said, fine, fine, don't you get tried again.

That's the best.

But I prefer to be, I don't know, this is, I don't know, we've discussed it, but I saw it going on in Paris.

You, Hall, and I, the rest of us, whatever you want to do, but, you know, we've got to do, we've got to build up.

That's right, with the international, and also with the international, and then, Bob, I think we have a good,

It's game night.

Friday announcement, I can make sense of it.

It's still the damn thing up.

It's 7.30 right now.

Yeah, that's the non-prime night out there.

I can see it in that direction.

I can see it in the movie back here.

It's a doubt, I'll tell you.

Yeah.

One reason everybody wants to do is to run into that football game.

So Florida, then, we clear away.

There's nothing that I can do about it.

We don't think of anything else to do about it.

I don't know.

Maybe we'll just do...

I'm not going to do the press conference.

Yeah.

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