Nixon White House Tapes › Tape 343 › Conversation 343-027

Nixon, Colson & Delaney on Watergate and Bebe Rebozo

Wednesday, June 21, 1972 · 4:00 PM–5:15 PM ET · Old Executive Office Building

ParticipantsNixon, Richard M. (President); Colson, Charles W.; White House operator; Delaney, James J.Conversation343-027 on Tape 343 (tape position 00:59:41–02:17:00)StartWednesday, June 21, 1972 at 4:00 PMEndWednesday, June 21, 1972 at 5:15 PMRecording deviceOld Executive Office BuildingSourceNixon Library record for 343-027 ↗

President Nixon met with Charles W. Colson to review the political landscape in the immediate aftermath of the Watergate break-in. The discussion focused on managing public relations, specifically utilizing support from veterans' organizations, and addressing rising meat prices through potential administration intervention. They also discussed concerns regarding media reports linking Bebe Rebozo to the Watergate burglars and analyzed current polling data on the President’s handling of the Vietnam War.

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59:55I got over that.
59:56Thank you.
1:06:15No, no.
1:06:15He went out of his way to do what he had to do.
1:06:17That's correct.
1:06:17Sure.
1:06:17I don't believe that.
1:06:19He didn't do anything wrong.
1:06:21He did do some stuff that he did.
1:06:24But not for us.
1:06:24No, he didn't do anything for us.
1:06:25But I believe he did do it for us.
1:06:28He would ask a question.
1:06:29He would ask a question.
1:06:51I don't know what's wrong with sending someone like this, but I don't know.
1:06:53I don't understand why.
1:06:54I think that we could go from the terrorists to the CIA.
1:06:55I don't know.
1:06:56You know what?
1:06:56You know what?
1:06:57It's time for these people to leave.
1:06:58They work for them.
1:06:58But we need to get lost.
1:07:21I'll tell you, I would think that this would have one plus.
1:07:27I don't know.
1:08:16They don't know him, and he said, I quote, Radio Hanoi and the government, and he said, I'm sorry, there are a few people I'd like to say this to, but Radio Hanoi said no.
1:08:25And he said, I just want to tell you that as far as the veterans community is concerned, it's powerful, and big, and the LW is almost two million.
1:08:35He said, we've got a campaign organization that will really go to town.
1:08:39The second thing he said was, I hope you're not paying any attention to the budget, because
1:08:44He said, every place I go in small groups, I say, you're right about it.
1:08:47And he said, in very small groups, I don't care.
1:08:49And he said, the reaction of those who had it is, well, the Republicans wouldn't do that, because they're in power.
1:08:59And they could do it a hell of a lot more skillfully than that, if they would do it.
1:09:05He said, you're right about it.
1:09:06Nobody believes that you're wrong about it.
1:09:15You know, surprised and shocked.
1:09:17I believe it makes a horrible revolution just now.
1:09:19When people learn all about how you develop.
1:09:22Wiretaping.
1:09:23Let's just look at wiretaping.
1:09:27The country's foreign to you.
1:09:30We're actually trying to control the country.
1:09:33There's a wiretaping on this thing like this.
1:09:36So now we're going to break in the wiretaping.
1:09:39I don't know.
1:09:40I don't think...
1:09:41I don't know.
1:09:42I don't know.
1:09:44No, I said...
1:09:45I said...
1:14:02I've also been intrigued with another thing is the, I don't know what about it, but it is that we did a personalized letter to every local labor leader in the country, every American agent, post commander, BFW post commander, DAB post commander.
1:14:14We sent out 45,000 letters.
1:14:15They were vaccinal.
1:14:16It really was.
1:14:30He came out as not very much of a person, but we should thank him for this support.
1:15:06We did this not only to support the people who could get it, but also to get the mainstream campaign.
1:15:14Anybody who writes back, better have a letter to know what you used.
1:15:21Clearly, there clearly is not too much.
1:34:39Congressman Jim DeLay of New York City.
1:37:15Hello?
1:37:17Yeah.
1:37:19Hello?
1:37:21Hi Jim, how are you?
1:37:22I just wanted to call to tell you that just one pulse that you just found.
1:37:26I'm sure glad to see you come through yesterday.
1:37:32I hope that you can support him in some of these tough problems in Southeast Asia.
1:37:40It didn't hurt you too much.
1:38:26Well, I'll tell you, I hope you take a good night out.
1:38:29You get out Friday and take off a couple of weeks.
1:38:30Yeah, right.
1:38:31I know what you do, right in the sand, right?
1:38:52Right, right, fine.
1:38:53Sometime I'll get down there while I drop into the bank and see my old friend Ramonzo.
1:38:56Yeah, you do, yeah.
1:38:57Alright, good, good, good.
1:38:57And if the water is better on your side, go over and sit on the beach on my side.
1:39:01It's pretty good.
1:39:01Okay.
1:39:23Yeah.
1:39:25Yeah, you know, I was a good man.
1:39:28Nice people.
1:39:29Okay.
1:39:30Wasn't he curtain?
1:39:35Yeah.
1:39:37He was marvelous.
1:39:39Yeah.
1:39:44Well, it still is, you know.
1:39:46They've kept up that one thing.
1:39:46A lot of places were taught that there is a date.
1:39:48And so that way, according to both of them, he tells me the pub has deteriorated.
1:39:50It's very good.
1:39:50Isn't that a shame?
1:39:51Remember, they used to have the best hamburgers there that I've ever had.
1:40:10Well, that's the building, yeah.
1:40:11Is that good?
1:40:11Yeah.
1:40:21I couldn't agree, I looked.
1:40:21Well, you just take care, and I'll see you down there maybe sometime.
1:40:26Fine, okay.
1:40:26Tell me about Bozo, about Jeff Delaney.
1:40:28He probably doesn't remember.
1:40:29The Congress, his double bank is his bank.
1:40:32He has an apartment in the Sands.
1:40:34He's coming over there, I don't know if he mentioned it.
1:40:35Do we get it?
1:40:36Yes, and we don't mention it.
1:40:38You said that...
1:40:49Whatever you want, you know what I mean?
1:40:50I mean, he's got a tool for it.
1:40:50A few of our friends.
1:48:56It said three cheaters ran away, carrying a pig.
1:48:57It was a speech, a speech by the book.
1:48:58I noticed it wrong.
1:48:59It said that wasn't her own fault.
1:49:00That affected the suspense over the summer.
1:49:01It affected the game a lot.
1:49:02It affected that according to Harris, nobody expected to accomplish anything.
1:56:39My feeling was kind of true.
1:56:39The question really is what do you want me to do?
1:56:41I signed the half-assed business.
1:57:18We don't know.
1:57:50What I'm concerned about is what was the last storm.
1:57:57And if you move down, the prices go up.
1:58:00And if you move, the weeks that are going up, the weeks before they go up.
1:58:20I was in favor of your going away.
1:58:23The reason that I was in favor was that I thought the prices were going to go up this week.
1:58:34They didn't.
1:58:34And therefore, my goal was to have it ready again.
1:58:39And by executive order, the president, the very next day,
1:59:49I don't think that's so long period of time, because it will be heard in the end.
1:59:55It will be very much like the kind of war that was just during that psychology.
2:00:04Of course, there was also the price to die on.
2:00:07You don't know how long it will last.
2:00:23And you feel it.
2:00:24The cattle growers understand this is not a decisive deal.
2:01:04What would you say then?
2:01:06He froze and died.
2:01:35I need a reason, Mr. President, for him.
2:01:36He wanted to do what he did.
2:01:37Do the political thing.
2:01:38Roll it back.
2:01:39If it crept up until I noticed, on September 1st, I don't agree.
2:01:42He's going to roll that to 30 levels.
2:01:43I think we have it for now.
2:02:43I've talked to this president.
2:02:44I talked to Clark when we were standing at the recommendation meeting before.
2:02:46And I've made two other deals with him over the last three weeks.
2:02:47I've put him in the president's meeting and said, if you tell me this is the balance of this year at all, I'm going to support you.
2:02:50They won't put this with any president.
2:02:51It's going to be a quiet response.
2:03:42I didn't appreciate this president before.
2:03:43He wanted to do what he did, do the political thing, roll it back in the Senate.
2:03:44If it crept up in July, I don't know, September 1st, you know, it's not only free, it's going to roll back to 30,000.
2:03:47I think we haven't provided for it.
2:04:44It is a terrible sense of issue, because people build it up in their own minds, and they get mad, and they've got nobody else to sort of take it out.
2:04:47And they make it worse than it is, and even when prices go up, people can't pay up.
2:04:50And so there's the present before you issue a very strong order that people interpret it.
2:05:43And that's the only issue that the owner had to see.
2:05:44The only thing that we have is the issue with the sport.
2:05:46There are issues with Japanese.
2:05:47It would be a bad thing if it just stayed the way it is.
2:05:49If it just stayed the way it is today.
2:05:50But the one issue, it'll be better.
2:06:13It's all our committee, it's all of us.
2:06:15It's all of us.
2:06:15And there's more police and reptile than there is folk or anything else.
2:06:18That's my governance.
2:06:18That's supposedly what I'm trying to do.
2:06:19More people to live with your hand than you have today.
2:06:21And Harrison did admit it.
2:06:22What is that?
2:06:42Handling the war in Vietnam is up in May of 2759.
2:06:43Very much, most of the press are going to be there.
2:06:45The government is going to be very excellent, very, very important for Israel.
2:06:49Wanting to have the war in Vietnam, the handling of the war in Vietnam in 3759, what is now going to be done, which is a significant thing, but I mean, my agency,
2:07:14Very, very similar.
2:07:1464, 25, approval, disapproval.
2:07:15My governor vote is 39, 51.
2:07:15My Nixon vote is 80, 50, 10.
2:07:16My Wallace vote is 76, 14.
2:07:16Next question, the impact of the mining on the water.
2:07:17Length of the water, 18%.
2:07:18I said yes.
2:07:18Shortfall of the water, 43%.
2:07:18So the church really is
2:07:46That issue is struggling.
2:07:49That issue today is impossible.
2:07:54Take these figures.
2:07:57And so, 82 will die.
2:07:58I think 86% of the people will be able to still be involved in the event.
2:08:05So it'd be quite significant, the event, that we had this huge fire here.
2:13:27Oh yeah, I'll send that down.
2:13:30What does it say?
2:13:31President Nixon's favorite Cuban figure of all time has been associated through a family real estate firm with a Cuban bugging crew that allegedly attempted to install listening devices inside an Albright party headquarters.
2:13:47The suspected leader of the bugging group, Bernard Parker, is a joint investor in the real estate development of another company in Cuba, as well as Suarez.
2:13:57We let sources say that D.P.
2:13:58Rozo has been involved in some of the appeals.
2:14:00Now I've been unable to reach for Rozo or Swearer as for Conner.
2:14:05However, I was able to arrange an exclusive interview with some of the suspects in the D.C. jail.
2:14:10They denied that D.P.
2:14:11Rozo had anything to do with the bugging attempt.
2:14:15However, they took their instructions, and Bernard Barker never told them who was putting up the cash, their hotel accommodations, and the fashion we're working in, before the legging was attempted.
2:14:25And now all the legal expenses have been provided by a mysterious man like Mr. Jones.
2:14:34Son of a bitch.
2:14:35Yes.
2:14:35Well, it's horrible, isn't it?
2:14:36I don't know if anybody heard of that, but I think Roboto did.
2:14:38Absolutely.
2:14:38My 18-year-old son and I were watching him, and he said, that sounds like Roboto.
2:14:42Isn't that awful?
2:14:46Yeah, it's terrible.
2:14:49Of course, he was mad.
2:14:49He was mad.
2:14:57I call him.
2:14:58I just call him.
2:14:58I'll call him.
2:14:59Call him, greet him, and send him down.
2:15:05Okay.
2:15:05Yes, sir.
2:15:05I held it by delay.
2:15:06Yes, I will.

On June 21, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon, Charles W. Colson, White House operator, and James J. Delaney met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 4:00 pm to 5:15 pm. The Old Executive Office Building taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 343-027 of the White House Tapes.

Conversation No. 343-27

Date: June 21, 1972
Time: 4:00-5:15 pm
Location: Old Executive Office Building

The President met with Charles W. Colson.

     Foreign policy
          -Nelson A. Rockefeller

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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 1
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[Duration: 5m 6s      ]

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     International Telephone and Telegraph [ITT]

     Watergate
         -E. Howard Hunt
               -Work on campaign
         -Cubans
         -Charles G. ("Bebe") Rebozo
               -Veterans of Foreign Wars [VFW]
                     -Support for President
               -George S. McGovern
         -Amnesty
         -Radio Hanoi
               -Statement
         -VFW
               -Support for the President
         -Bugging reports
               -Reaction of members
         -Break-in
               -Wiretapping

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[Duration: 4m 5s      ]

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     Public relations
          -Letters
                 -Labor leaders
                 -American Legion Post Commanders
                 -VFW post leaders
                 -Veterans Administration [VA]
                 -Support for President’s policies
                 -Reactions

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[Duration: 19m 15s    ]

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The President talked with the White House operator.

[Conversation No. 343-27A]

[See Conversation No. 25-111]

[End of telephone conversation]

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[Duration: 2m 32s     ]

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The President talked with James J. Delaney.

[Conversation No. 343-27B]

[See Conversation No. 25-112; one item has been
withdrawn from this conversation.]

[End of telephone conversation]

     Rebozo
         -Delaney's Florida apartment
              -Miami convention

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[Duration: 6m 35s     ]

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     The President
          -Image
          -Moscow trip
               -Impact
               -Timing
                    -ITT

         -Cambodia
              -Henry A. Kissinger
              -H. R. Haldeman
         -Moscow trip
              -Impact
         -Louis P. Harris poll
              -Trip to Moscow
         -The President’s trip to People’s Republic of China [PRC]
              -Time magazine

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    Economy
        -Meat prices
             -Previous Quadriad meeting
                   -The President’s view
             -Herbert Stein's view
             -Arthur F. Burns's view
             -George P. Shultz
             -Increases
                   -Action by administration
             -Strategy
                   -Imports
             -Public view
                   -Foreign beef imports
                   -Consumer Price Index [CPI]
             -Retailers
             -Colson's view
                   -Cattlemen
                         -George S. McGovern
             -Burns
             -Price freeze
             -Roll-back of prices

                      -The President's reaction
                 -Effect on voters

     Vietnam as political issue
          -The President's handling
               -People's reactions
                     -Polls
                            -Figures
                     -McGovern supporters
                     -George C. Wallace supporters
               -Cease-fire
                     -Impact

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     Watergate
         -Jack N. Anderson column
               -Rebozo
                     -Bank
         -Cubans
         -Bugging
         -Real estate connection
         -Bernard L. Barker
         -Colson's son

     Delaney

Colson left at 5:15 pm..
  • 025-108 3:30 PM · 5 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and the White House operator talked on the telephone at 3:30 pm.
  • 343-021 3:30 PM · 12 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and the White House operator met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at 3:30 pm.
  • 343-022 3:30 PM · 3 min — President Richard M. Nixon and H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at an unknown time between 3:30 pm and 3:56 pm.
  • 343-023 3:30 PM · 2 min — President Richard M. Nixon and John D. Ehrlichman met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at an unknown time between 3:30 pm and 3:56 pm.
  • 025-110 3:56 PM · 12 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and Charles W. Colson talked on the telephone from 3:56 pm to 3:57 pm.
  • 343-025 3:56 PM · 12 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and Charles W. Colson met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 3:56 pm to 3:57 pm.
  • 343-026 3:57 PM · 2 min — President Richard M. Nixon and unknown person(s) met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at an unknown time between 3:57 pm and 4:00 pm.
  • 025-111 4:00 PM · 8 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and the White House operator talked on the telephone at an unknown time between 4:00 pm and 4:38 pm.

Conversation 343-027, June 21, 1972. White House Tapes, Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, National Archives. Audio and AI transcript via Easy Nixon, https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/343-027 (accessed September 30, 2026).