On February 20, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon, Henry A. Kissinger, White House photographer, White House operator, William E. Timmons, unknown person(s), Manolo Sanchez, and Eugene Ormandy met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 4:15 pm to 6:10 pm. The Old Executive Office Building taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 411-009 of the White House Tapes.
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I love her.
I love her.
I love her.
Before we get into the substance, Mr. President, I'd like to suggest that I raise Mr. Prentice tomorrow with you.
I think it would be a lot better to do it on Thursday.
And the reason is that we're releasing the child again on Thursday.
But the only thing is that
I have done it.
I suggested tomorrow only because I wanted to be sure that the leaders heard something before the press release.
But Thursday morning, Thursday morning, they could go to this meeting.
The Thursday morning is just on the first hour of the talk.
But then we can tell that.
So, yeah.
Call.
Call.
Call.
Call.
Call.
Wait a minute.
I'll read the letter and put it on the table.
You'll have an eight-year veteran.
He says eight years, okay.
All right, all right.
So I, as a matter of fact, should follow that.
I'm sorry.
Tennessee here.
The president has accepted the meeting to do this meeting.
He's going to discuss it later.
Okay.
I want you to have to do a report back and see if there's any questions on it.
I didn't want to put it, I couldn't put it into a message, but I was going to do that.
I'm going to do that, to be sure.
I hope, I think he is, you know, he's like the analyst who was on the building party.
Well, of course he's
that, well, you know, it was totally unexpected.
I don't know what I know about it.
But the same theology, don't worry.
It's not much better.
And the 1115, I don't know if you know, so he said, I don't know.
He said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said,
And I have done a lot of work.
The new president is now the biggest faithful in the world.
He said that history has made him worse.
He said, I am a confident, and not that there are any people who have analyzed that momentary build-up, he said.
He said, I know nothing about history's future build-up, but I am certain that building up is much against the will of the president himself.
He said.
Well, I have to go to these things.
I've got a greeting every now and then.
In Europe, as well as in the U.S. and the U.S. and the U.S. and the U.S. and the U.S. and the U.S. and the U.S.
And he said, uh, um, uh, he said, well, of course, uh, he said, well, you must, you must learn from that guy.
And I was told he was going to die.
You know, I can see, I can't put this in paper.
That was the thing I thought about.
I thought, gosh, I know it, too.
He's ever gone to paper.
I said, you must learn from that guy.
He said, please, talk to him.
and tell him to rely on the United States.
Tell us what you want us to do, but I don't live in China.
And Bill Strang said to me, he said, tell the president to ask his support for the election.
If Congress cannot win the election, you know, I thought I was in a bad house.
The left would press here, as well as the pyramid.
Now, if, for example, I would like to send a private channel to him, I know it would be better to give it all to him.
I was undecided for that, I think, only, you know, I don't know.
When I heard, you know, from Mr. Wood, that maybe if you announced that 17th State was in the draft, I don't know anything.
He struggled with it the other day, Mr. Wood.
Well, he didn't have a election for himself, was that it?
I'm glad.
So he said, you know, it's an unbelievable confidence for Mr. President because we could kill him with this.
We could get him over with all of that.
I think part of the reason for his confidence was that he had not broken confidence.
He said he had watched how he had been for a year.
He had been very, very good.
He had been very good.
He made a mistake.
He made a mistake.
He said, we can't be accused, but if I do that, you can't.
They said they were not picking him up and inviting him to the ocean.
Because, you know, they say he's susceptible to theft with arguments, and they want him to fix himself up.
They are inviting him already by the middle reaches of the bay.
It was Goldwater.
I told Goldwater afterwards, if he gave this manuscript to Goldwater, he would be thrilled.
If he gave this to him, he said, he sent it to me.
Then he sent it out to me.
He said, look, it's in Japanese.
He said he made a terrible mistake.
He sent this.
He wrote them up in the book.
He said, therefore, it is prime to you that you have not put any pressure on them.
You should keep them close instead.
We want you to keep them close instead.
And I'd like to be told to keep them open.
Exactly what you now want.
Keep them open.
Keep them open.
And he said, you are the only leader who is free to try and understand.
So we encourage you to do all you want to do and do what you want to do.
The only other one who had anything to say about the job he did.
He said, all the others don't understand right now.
He said, you understood it, but he doesn't have the power.
And he said, there'd be no signal.
So, the only one he's seen is the guy that I've been talking to so far.
The major thing is, I don't know about things they didn't put out in their official announcement.
On the front page of Denver's paper, they said, Chairman Mao sends personal greetings to President Xi.
That in China was big news.
In China, that was big news because Mao never sends personal messages.
He said that.
Okay.
The Chinese announcement made it perfectly clear that this was a talk with you, not with me.
The meeting was wide-ranging, and the personal message was sent by Jim, and now the President makes it, which is unheard of.
It was played in every Japanese newspaper, so pick that one up.
So, that Russian man, he said, if the Japanese come into Russia, he said, don't let them go to Russia, don't let them go to Russia.
Now that's perfect for us, because we won't be going to them anyway.
They don't want us to get out of there.
And then he said, the biggest area, he said, is the Middle East.
The pictures of it.
But he said, there's a weekend in Pakistan, you know, to keep the discussion going.
And you should check with them.
So I said, that's what they're sending out.
They said they're going to do a change of conditions with us on that.
They are going to do the opposite of what they can.
You should tell them what they can do.
We thought, I'll be listening with an arm around us.
He knows that Iraq and Syria are Russian students.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
But still, Israel is not a big deal.
Another thing, on March 7th, I saw this in Buccio.
I saw this in Buccio, and it's a pretty beautiful one.
And I was going to say, I had to see her.
She had to guess what I was going to say.
And Joe asked me to say, well, sure, I'll agree.
But they, of course, considered the Indian line.
She didn't want to say, no, but she won't tell them.
They considered the Indian-Soviet solution.
So we had really to keep Moynihan out of some control that he doesn't.
I think what you've got to do is bring in the same category of game models that give any
The way it is, we're going to be up 30 days for a bulletin.
I'm not going to read it to a medic.
and thinking about the movement so badly.
When we were in Hanoi, Hanoi offered us what our papers had, mainly to cease fire, and then 20 days for the political session.
And then 60 days for the withdrawal.
30 days.
Now they made, I didn't accept that.
I said, let's just really understand that.
Now they made a political settlement.
I didn't accept it, and I got us to increase the B-52.
That was just the only thing we could do.
You know, when I was in Canada, I had more of them.
I had so many of them.
Literally, I had more of them without the B-52s.
I said, look, I'm going to take the B-52.
I'm going to take the B-52.
I said, now, I'm going to take all of them.
Now, I'm going to take the red one.
I told him, I told him, I told him, I told him, I told him,
It was the combination of the bombing of the Chinese.
But in the Chinese, what did they do?
They brought a crane on them.
Oh, the crane.
And in order to be at the meeting, the coal had to be out.
80%.
That's enough.
But at any rate, what the agreement is now, it made the political settlement.
The withdrawal is now definitely within 90 days from today.
Who will pass it?
They could have pulled them.
If you withdraw, we'll not start the mitigation.
It'll be completed.
But then they'd have to wait.
What is our bond shop?
Tennessee's blood.
Dangerous.
But they'll use these blood.
No, I think they'll just go.
I think we have one thing I'm sure of, and that's what's being held in place.
I must say one thing for Mansfield, one of the people on that list very quickly, you know, when he was murdered, he saw his name, and Mansfield destroyed his story, and his country, and I want him to go to jail for that.
We've got the right, but there's no right or wrong against it.
On the left, the people are totally against the war in Vietnam, because we're a very dark, dark nation.
But I don't mind.
I don't mind talking to the president, the president of the government, and his sense of vision.
The woman who had eight missions came to know the Vietnam War.
I didn't know what was going on.
You didn't know what was going on.
Maybe she would say a little about that in the press conference.
I agree.
They have to do well in the mission, too.
Maybe we can't do that.
It's high-ass.
Well, it's not a good man for a man to get.
And you are a good man.
But there's a very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very,
may not get the Congress to enact it, but I think if you take the lead, I'll take the lead.
I'll agree to some of it, I think, and change some of it.
This thing is going pretty well.
We did get a ceasefire.
We've got a political settlement.
I'll be big news tomorrow.
uh...
Why do we buy oil from Iraq?
He said, yeah, he said, we ought to have a new oil plant.
We ought to have a new energy.
No, we ought to have a new plant.
But we ought to have a new plant in Iraq.
And he said, I told him the new idea was, he was very considerate.
He said, he reminded me that he had told you that he was counting on you and me in the new administration.
He said, is there a difference between you and the president?
I said, it's total nonsense.
I would be here if it were right.
I said, the president, he said, well, why was I also here?
I said, I don't know.
I said, well, I don't know.
I said, well, I don't know.
And, which is true, he's been given special responsibility for doing so.
And he knows how to use certain kinds of operations well.
And, uh, we ought to, he said, what we ought to do is transform the way that we have.
And he said, they said, occasionally we're going to have to say things
Well, in Asia, it would have been a bad thing.
You know what I mean?
It has made you.
But they did a lot of little things.
So to take, for example, even when they had a moniker on every place I went, it literally stood at attention as to who did, you know, these all little things.
And people are true to themselves.
So they have people, now they've agreed.
The day after this meeting, Joe said that my own head was in it for American business people to do.
And they'll be released in the next few weeks.
And down in the two weeks of August, in the second half of this year, they put it on the basis that there'd be a review made in the second half of this year.
What can you then say?
I can say both of these things.
But they said, who are you?
I can't say that now, but they said I can say this, that the Chinese people protest as provisions put on it.
you should emphasize and discuss it.
Oh, I mentioned that.
And what about the, uh, and you say that they send a message to the president
But to hold that, though, that's why I didn't think we could have anything to talk about.
But we could tell the leaders on the farm that they didn't have anything to talk about.
They invited the Philadelphia Symphony.
They said, did you remember?
Well, they said, no, of course we didn't.
They said, they know you must have a special trip.
Could you get me Mr. Eugene R. I need to call it out there.
The way I handle them is honestly because you've got to keep this quiet.
You've got to be patient.
I don't want to come to you and say that I think you're going to say a version.
You might say a version.
Why don't you say a version?
And then I'm going to leave.
And then they're going to run away.
And that's an archaeologically significant thing.
Thank you so much.
Thank you so much.
Oh, God.
That was a draw.
Negative perspective.
Negative perspective.
Well, they opened his line, saying, how about this?
No, go ahead.
Now, he basically, we virtually haven't, I haven't written to him.
And he said, no, he promised.
He figured that our interest would require us to support the administration.
I know, I know.
You know, he put all this out.
He said to me, and then he said to me, he said, you want to take something that shows you're not going to die of depression.
I want you to take a breath and smile.
If it doesn't affect it, we know it doesn't.
We will not fight it.
We will not fight it.
We will not fight it.
He said, he said, he said, he said, he said,
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That's the reason the Russians may not be able to do it.
Mao said, some people say that you won't push the Russian peace towards us.
He said, I think whether they reach the Pacific or the Atlantic, we need to address.
He said, you can tell your president.
If they attack us, you should think that if we don't defend the frontier that we are giving up.
We will swallow them.
We will surround them.
We will absorb.
Hello?
Hello?
Uh, Mr. Armitage?
And how are you?
Oh, I hope it's nothing serious.
Yeah, yeah.
Well, I'll tell you, I was just sitting here talking to you yesterday, just back from China, and I thought you'd be interested to know that I was talking to a brother of ours back from China, that they, in fact, just a few months ago,
so I just want you to know that my favorite sibling will be the first one to go to China and it will be a great experience for all you people and I think some of those I think some of those will probably do a little better but you stood out though well
I was talking to the Chinese leaders about exchanges, and they said to me that...
and they want you to come there before October this year.
Before October, and that would precede the .
But it's extremely important, Mr. O'Malley, that you say, tell this to nobody.
Because the Chinese are very sensitive about it.
They're not going to say until Tuesday.
Not until it's Tuesday.
But can you wait until Tuesday?
Well, why don't you call me Tuesday morning and say I've just called you?
And this was just that the President wanted you personally to know how pleased he was by this, and that really the Chinese had done this because they felt his close eyes to the orchestra.
I remember we talked about it.
You called me here about it.
Well, I remember things very well.
I was going out and I was coming in.
I trusted my bill to work out some practical arrangement.
I trusted it.
I would recommend not pressing on the Chinese.
Once they've given their word, you can absolutely count on them.
And we'll work out the arrangements through the Paris Channel.
And in any event, I thought it's really a special tribute to you, and probably the President's century, to your history, and you must be the first to.
I think it would be marvelous for this country, and I think it would be gorgeous for the Chinese.
Yeah, that's all.
He wanted to tell the president.
But the drug system is going to be all over Philadelphia.
And so it was, for example, and, you know, they had, for example, you know, another thing that's quite interesting, there isn't a stronger great army in the country.
not as strong a supporter as ours, and not as strong as Eugene's.
They said it was because of you.
We had these provosts in the army that you did.
And, you know, every time he'd be there, he'd play these records, you know, the operas.
This time they played at West and Central.
The first time that a Western symphony has been played in the UK in 52 years was without his performance of Beethoven's Six that I've ever heard.
They had two parts to the program, one was Beethoven's Six, and then they had Chinese songs.
and one of the pianos, which ended at the end of the piano, which ended at the pianist, who was a very good fellow, and said, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no
And Cho, I suppose, he drew your way all the way up to the deep.
And Cho then put in the details.
How is Cho physically?
He's better than he was in June.
In June, he was beginning to show his age.
But now take, for example, the communique.
Well, it's interesting.
In a joint communique, they said the two sides produced a development of relations between the two countries in the year that has passed since President Nixon's visit to the people's republic of China.
You know, so that they can make sure you're there.
And if you can, they can trust you.
Well, they said development of relations in the last year.
And the
In substance, I'm going to be able to give the feds a lot of these deep answers on what they're going to do.
But then they have a reason to be concerned about what they're going to do.
Which is just to show the members of the state that this is more than we have in China.
One thing we want to be sure of in all this.
You've got a hard person in there, and that's why you can't have a crime coming up.
You can't go back to the group.
You can't take services.
Oh, I see my point.
The services weren't in the wrong reason.
There are two people that I would recommend.
The president is a man who was head of this China dance group, you know, teachers, and he's totally on our side, checking.
And Holdridge, from my side, plus four or five others,
But they said, anything they want, they give us all facilities, get us a house.
They will all open a similar opportunity in Washington.
And everybody said, it's above the trade mission.
It's the most sort of an interest on us.
It's beyond an interest on us.
It's just short of diplomatic.
It gives us the greatest flexibility.
We don't have to say what it is.
But they will give out people for diplomatic status.
They want diplomatic immunity for their people.
That's easy.
That's more than they've done for anybody.
That's more than the British have before.
And they said, anyone we want to share is head of the office.
They said they were getting full cooperation.
They said, well, they're very interested about Shia LaBeouf.
They said, of course, Shia LaBeouf, they recognize Shia LaBeouf.
They said the major thing is to make Cambodia independent, neutral, and peaceful, otherwise the Russians will stop us again.
They think the Russians are trying to organize the whole area together with the Indians.
And they think that the Russians may cause mischief in Hanoi.
And that's not inclusive.
Because the Russians have an interest in having Hanoi dominate the whole area as a blocker here in the Chinese.
The Chinese would like to keep the divide, and they would try to, you know, bomb us.
And he said, and he was very interested, he said, she had, of course, made his best friend.
He said, but the only one who would take such a step would be a Christian brother.
She was interested.
I say, you know, look at it, we get through it eight years in a row.
Everybody, of course, is proud of him.
They were very upset with Jeremy Ford.
No, no, because they talked to him.
We want you to go to the Japan, but we can't have you there.
There's nothing wrong with any of this.
No, Campo, the other day, said
They said it's senseless to drive into other countries, he said.
People tried to think some names to form a national union.
They said they only exist on three of them, which is consistent on all.
Well, let's come back to the annoying.
What are annoying?
They give you an indication of getting the hell out.
I can't believe it.
Hell yeah, it's a hard case.
And I don't do it, but I want to say it doesn't bother me.
It's...
It's...
It's...
It's...
It's...
It's...
It's...
It's...
It's...
First, the civilian airfield didn't have a runway that was long enough to have a 707.
It was like landing on a moon landscape.
It is one building standing within ten miles of the airfield.
It is.
Every river in the longest memory, the runway was clearly fixed up.
Then,
and therefore they're always in time for all the riches allowed.
So there's two of us from that airfield to the civilian airfield, which is on the other side of the town.
About ten minutes fly away, and we've moved over to the country side so we can see it.
And everybody was absolutely astonished by the bomb death.
It is not true that we knocked out civilians first.
villages are both sides of it, and they may have a bomb crater in it, but the villages are 95% of the town.
Hanoi is essentially untouched.
But the devastation in the railway yard, if we draw one railway yard, which just is one mass of twisted coolness steel, the GLR may afford this, it's a billionaire, but it's not a building to stand in.
And
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And in Hanoi, they treated us extremely seriously.
Those Hanoi people are hard cases.
I think, Mr. President, we may consider putting one big piece of tissue strike into Cambodia, maybe into the Chukwak nation, where they've got all their smorgasbord.
until we escalated big here on the bottom.
And the streamers here are going to stream anywhere.
And our experience, I can only say, is with a large chuck plantation.
He did bomb Cambodia to the area.
My instinct is to lay one tremendous raid in there.
Because then they know we're watching them.
He's telling them they've got to get out of Cambodia.
Now, they don't have much in Cambodia right now.
I think that there's a combination of screaming them, military screaming them with the Chinese, and getting them out of laws.
and dangling economic aid in front of them.
They may, they may be defeated.
On the economic aid, my argument for it, which I know is intended to fuel it, but I've told nothing to do with it more than this.
These substitutions have never had a normal life.
We can't cooperate with them on anything else because the agreement is going to be a constant source of friction.
and economic reconstruction programs.
Their whole pattern may change if we prolong enough to permit peace to be consolidated.
Now, I had a long talk with Benjamin Bell, and I just explained how we can't lay.
And apparently the Russians don't let him choose his mission, and they just tell him to deliberate or promote it.
And he was just astonished.
I told him that once there is a congressional appropriation, which is very nice, that in each project they can choose where they're going to get this stuff from, as long as it's from the United States.
We're not going to deliver this stuff, but they can choose.
I told him, I've never used it with reparations.
And they played it pretty well.
I told them he needed a few months to prepare this.
And, uh, he was terribly suspicious, of course.
But then when I explained to them how it would actually work, they were almost incredulous, because they'd never heard... you know, they had no experience of this thing.
Uh... Well, you know, they...
But they are punts, not so vicious, and they're going to hang into Cambodia as long as they can.
They had a bunch of paranoia, Mr. President.
The Chinese leaders had let the stars land on most of their lives.
These guys were in prison most of their lives.
These guys are conspirators.
They're almost insane and they're paranoid.
You have no idea what an atmosphere Hanoi has.
It is 50 times worse than Moscow.
You feel totally oppressed.
It looks like a squalor city of annoyance to the police.
It's somewhat beautiful still, but it's sort of run down.
You don't see any more of that.
You drop the knife from the box, and you know it's like it's in front of the wall.
You have to say something.
I know it's run down the wall.
And it smells.
It smells.
It's really unbelievable.
What really happened there was that we able to make roses.
So to break your heart, Mr. Christy, we burn for the same tussle pitches from now on, preventing us from consolidating the thieves.
We put in a post-op position, and we're going to be back in a couple more weeks.
Six months in.
Now they say, no aid to them, they should be made a hostage.
That's the same argument that the Conservatives made.
I say the Conservatives were public isolations made against martial law.
It's a goddamn demografic argument.
They all know it.
It's totally your own.
I had to try to leave Mr. President if he had a chance.
We played on all his skills through a combination of brutality and terror.
But we can't get them over time into a position of not just keeping.
You know, that's never due to his generousness.
because they are talking about the past.
But if we can get two or three years of fire out of them, then things could consolidate to a point where they'd have to make an affirmative decision to start the war again, and where we can then make the decision whether it's our war.
But if it goes to pieces this year, say, the war starts again, all your opponents are just places
To be able to say, settlement was no good.
They don't want it to be good, but, for God's sake, they don't ceasefire our nation.
There's a great branch that I don't believe in.
Well, ceasefire, not great, there's more war than there was before, and that's all bullshit.
Totally bullshit.
I feel that the violations we're about to assert are the most of the things we've done.
Aren't they?
Totally.
It is far, far less than it was before.
And, uh, and they know.
Our opponents do.
Our opponents know.
Listen, they have killed someone.
After all, the fact that we're not here, what's the deal with us?
What I said is really, you know, I'm going to say something, and I don't know.
Nothing, really.
You know, first of all, we've got to realize that the announcement of the peace terms
Despite what our admins have said, we're welcomed by the United States.
The people of this country are going to find out what we do in this issue.
That's what I think we're going to try to do.
The second point is that, however, today didn't step up to that point.
So, it has been an honor to serve, and I've served my country, our country, for 30 difficult times.
I want to express appreciation to our Commander-in-Chief, American people, who made it out of here, and also, God bless America, and the whole God damn country.
I was back in India for three days, and, you know, I, that was, you know, the people that needed coming in, all of them.
When we received word that you had been elected President of the United States of America, I knew that you were on our way to achieve an honorable peace.
My faith in you and our goal in America has never fallen.
Thank you for returning us your honor.
I assure you that we will return filled with pride and faith in you.
God bless you.
But I know it's the opposite, Mr. President.
We've asked all these countries, these people have come home to govern that country.
That's right.
Here's another one, Mr. President.
What do you make of me?
I'm kind of a colonel, necessarily.
Mr. President, my family and I want to thank you from the bottom of our hearts for having the courage and your conviction to do what was necessary to bring Vietnam out of the land.
I am very proud to be American.
I wear the uniform of the United States Air Force.
May God bless you.
These are all theirs.
They're all the same thing.
And Mark told us, told me, he said a very interesting thing happened.
A critical day for the service of our service.
Remember I called on Christmas the day before, and I said, well, today is a bad day for the zone.
Everything will fly.
I heard that earlier.
That's when we found out how you were supposed to do it.
That day, he said, the prisoners, they're not safe.
They're waiting for them to get out on the eve and start serving.
He said, on that day, he has all of the guys, the prisoners,
They were jumping up and down, clasping each other in the back.
And he said, there are jailers under the long shoulders.
And they said, from that day on, there are jailers turning around in their antics towards the people.
And they said, I said, well, no, no, we promised to these guys no way to keep it.
No.
He said, no, yes, we will.
But he said, the most instructive that was made.
That was the bank note.
They all knew, they had no idea that the opposite end was coming at that time.
They had no idea, even though they had been fed along with it.
But, but, uh, recently, you know, the great, the ace called me.
He said, uh, he said, uh, I don't know, but, uh, well, mother didn't remember.
Mother didn't know I had gone.
I don't know.
Anyway, she was like, she was calling me on the phone.
I didn't hear a thing.
I just had a telephone call from my husband.
And he said,
She was alright.
She was all right.
But when you look at the field of resources happening in the country now, it has zeroes.
Sadly, in the field of resources, all of them are going to be gone.
That's why I didn't say it.
I didn't have to do it.
I didn't have to do it.
I didn't have to do it.
I didn't have to do it.
what what
We fight for basis in South Vietnam.
We fight for one simple reason.
We may quarrel, whether we should.
We may question it.
We may question having the war.
But the motive was simple.
The motive was to prevent the imposition by force of a communist government on 17th and 17th of South Vietnam.
And we succeeded.
That's all.
That's what I've been trying to get over and over again.
Just that way, I don't believe in religion anymore.
You can be proud of that.
If you don't go on, you can talk.
They want to agree to get a business in the present, which comes closest.
It has my service toward it.
They don't cover it up.
So what does that add?
The question, you get the question, which is...
Let's look at what victory is.
What was victory?
Victory was to achieve our goal, which was not to conquer the North, but to defend the South.
Victory in South Vietnam was to achieve our goal.
It was to prevent the communist government from taking over the land.
And we succeeded.
That was worth fighting for.
And we achieved it.
We should be proud of it.
And I think we've just got to nail it right with it.
But you know what?
I'd rather, I'd rather I'm wrong than be really concerned about what these guys are saying.
We didn't have the slightest idea.
And Albert hasn't been there seven and a half years, nowhere.
But to a man, except for one long time ago, there was a need to a man, except for one court, one guy.
You know, there's several people they didn't know well.
Of course, he came out with a sign on his arm and all that stuff.
On the other hand, most of these guys are,
I will carry the sign, God bless America and the nation.
What has happened here is the people got used to it.
They want to say, hey America, right?
There are enemies.
I can say it.
You can say it.
Go on and say it.
But it means nothing.
I say it.
They make the government, they make even our opponents.
They do some of them.
But I've heard of people, I've heard of them, I've heard of them.
But they don't, they don't have the courage to ask for it.
They don't have to respond.
Don't call them.
Don't call them.
Don't call them.
That's good.
Brother.
She's bad.
Yeah.
She left.
I don't know, but she's sick.
Oh, yeah.
We'll call his brother.
I think we should call him.
I think I should.
I'm sure that it was a bit of an interesting opportunity.
Yeah, but he should not be, he won't be whispered.
I would call him 31 with breakfast.
But then you should call him 31.
I mean, after we have breakfast, I'll call him and I'll promise him to be very much behind in the evening business.
You'd like to call him his mother, but you don't.
His mother?
His mother.
His mother.
You wouldn't call her yourself, but you don't need to do that.
You don't want to upset her.
So I think that would be fine.
You might consider calling the wife of her father William.
William.
William.
William.
William.
I, by the way, I miss his mother.
Oh, good life.
Yeah.
I know a lot of good life, but you've got to be...
Sorry to call him any day, too.
Coming back to the thing, and, uh, our family, you know, I think what we ought to do is to, I'd like to spend my time
with regard to how I think the question for life is on the, on the United States of America.
Actually, the China thing is an interesting one, but I don't know how it affects me.
There are questions like this, which is a gigantic thing.
Some, some of our Republicans say that
He won't support me with an argument, unless, unless, so we meet, in China, where the values come from.
But I have, it's the last thing I'm going to do.
Christ will find a way.
Now one, one thing we have to turn off is, the state of government keeps pushing multilateral aid through the world's banks and so forth.
Now there's Kanoi who wants to tie that chain.
Secondly, it's better for us to have the data.
I've never decided that.
Let me say it to the leaders.
But if you buzz that out, you know, to me, we could say a number of nations have indicated their desire to help, and this will be a situation for all of them.
But it's a large form of leaders' concern.
That's something that we've worked on.
But it means, the main thing there is to say not that it's going to happen.
Buzz, you and I know we
They want to be sure somebody else is helping.
You can say, yes, a number of nations are going to give their orders to help, and a number will participate.
The main thing that you are going to do, of course, is to help.
Because I told you at one point that you probably ought to leave it for me to get them to.
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That message comes from me.
It's not crazy.
My man is wrong.
I should have read this.
This is what I said.
I was very passionate.
Did you read it?
When?
I thought it was in the book.
I don't know.
And the other thing is that it depends.
A lot of Jack asks you to press.
In fact, it's pure press pollution.
I simply want the man who fought, the man who died, the man who served, the man who appealed to get credit.
or service to their country.
That's what we're calling it.
I'm going to shit on trade.
You know, that's what it is.
That's what it is, and so that's what we do.
That's what we do.
Oh, oh, I forgot.
As I told you before, we're going to have to squeeze out and get an issue out of this.
We cannot, we cannot sum up if we say that
that we will shortchange the domestic program.
We're going to have to cut that program to a hundred-hundred.
So my view is that once we say that there's a resolution to be made, there's a resolution to progress to be made, it's fine, it's good, it's fine, it's good, it's fine, it's good.
We can cut the progress, but there's no revenge, no revenge for it.
We've got to resolve it.
I don't think, that's a tough one, that's a tough one.
And I think that you're going to be asked that, if you are, sir, to listen to the findings.
If you close that up, you see, what I thought I would do, with respect to the analysis, would be emphasize the phenomena, say, much, as much as I can, to stress the normalization of relations, private relationships, and to put it into that context, and say it's in that context that it was studied.
Perfect.
So I'm going to duck every question.
My goal is that they're going to be getting very hard.
That's the only thing I'm afraid of in the industry.
I don't have a zero and a busy preparation.
Where are we hoping to end the competition?
Well, I think at least we can say this.
We have a hard experience actually.
We're a little too, we're a little too, we're a little too, we're going to be channeled in another direction.
Now, if they raise the radar, you know we don't have any security, right?
If any, that's a different situation.
It's not a continuing crisis.
Henry, you and I know that he is the best godman, the best priest, and he's very famous.
because it gives us something we can take away.
And it's a disgrace that it is you who is accused of being insensitive to humanity, trying to help this country, who has gathered help, and has depleted us, who has repented to be so concerned about human life, and who accused us of not caring for humanity, and now turn out to be bastards here in this country.
You see, in another line they take, they'll say, why did they show such compassion to North Korea?
and not show any compassion for the people who want it.
It's a totally different thing.
It's like Lincoln in the Civil War.
Lincoln interested enough as he wanted to put it out.
He gave amnesty for those who had fought bravely for the South.
He shot those and had imprisoned those who deserved it more.
Just like that.
I don't think I should get into any of that sort of question.
I could explain.
I could not just say
Why don't you say it?
Why don't you say it?
The president will address himself to that question.
I can't explain it to you.
You must not.
Unless they don't give them a chance to say it, they're backing away.
If you don't support the president's policy, you're not going to have that seat.
You've got to say it.
You've got to say it on the 8th.
Where is it going to come from?
What would you say then?
Where are you going to get these?
Is that going to come out of the election?
I don't think I should answer this question.
I would answer it if you want me to.
I think you better not answer it because I think I've got to get that first.
I am probably going to have to say a few things that have not come out of this, but that's fine.
That means we're going to excuse nothing.
I have a...
I have a...
I have a...
I have a...
I have a...
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And you should say that the president, of course, is not going to appear without a few years' time.
But if there is any, he would be able to do it.
But it's important that he win.
What is this election, Christopher, that is happening?
So the exemptivity is communist and socialist in the majority.
See, in the French system, there's a president and a prime minister.
Now, as long as there's a party in power in the parliament, it depends on the president.
The prime minister is the creature of the president.
But if they get a majority different from the president, then the majority will want to appoint a prime minister, then they'll make later on the prime minister.
That's what's proposed in this case, but one has to analyze those.
You see?
They've always been wrong, underestimated by either party, what do you call them?
In the caste, you see, in the dress system, what happens is that they have two elections.
They vote everybody up, and then the two top parties run off.
Now,
The Gaulists would knock one of them out, and then would quickly run off against the other ones.
And with only 35% of the votes, the Gaulists could get a majority in the Assembly, because the opponent had left with 35%.
This time, this time they're united.
And therefore there are going to be not, there are going to be not Gauls, nor Gauls, nor Gauls.
Arithmetically, I had somebody analyze what the last election would have been for the communists, when the communists had a landslide.
And at that time, the communists and socialists had made together that the communists would have won with a majority of 10, instead of a majority of 300.
Unfortunately, the world is turning socialist.
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I think you ought to let it go.
One of the things you worry about is that we ought to, we ought to go to bed together.
The other thing we have, of course, is the problem of time.
I feel myself now that
This is my area of care.
And, of course, I've got a couple of them in Congress.
But the first, I don't think, should come until the last few weeks.
That's March 28th.
I think we should set it about around the 1st of April and that 1st of April.
How does that sound to you, sir?
Would you have me develop that?
Would you like to start a plan?
You'll still hold it as that kind of thing?
Well, we don't talk about that.
I don't know.
The question is, Agra came back, of course.
It did a good job.
When Agra came back, it was all hot for the idea that we ought to let Jews in here.
It was all right.
It was not going to be nearly as bad as we see it.
But the other one, I'm not sure what it was.
It was those of the Jews of the United States.
A winner for us.
But on the other hand, we're stuck with it.
We can have him at the same time.
That's the bread.
That's the gift.
I mean, that's the deal.
But if you have him at the same time, you can have him at the same time.
So we're going to have a best day dinner in Los Angeles.
It's going to be a small one.
It's going to happen.
It's going to be a big one.
It's going to happen.
It's going to happen.
It's going to happen.
I'm a little afraid, frankly, of what I'm saying.
Frankly, I think security is a problem.
I think it's easy to do that.
I'm not too concerned about security.
But he doesn't need it.
He doesn't need it.
He doesn't need it.
He doesn't need it.
He doesn't need it.
He doesn't need it.
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But he is intelligent enough, perhaps, to be very, very, very brief.
And I don't know if he's tired or depressed.
But he has it.
I personally feel that it's better to have him come.
Before I take him out of it.
Because the mind feels that he has it.
That he's coming.
It's not beautiful.
It's better to go in.
You have to just try to look at it fairly.
He makes a pretty good impression.
Where he is.
He did, certainly, when we saw him.
You know, I hate to watch out for him in the press, but he walks around and walks around.
I don't know what he does here, but I don't know what he does here.
Thinking of what I think he could consider good.
I don't know.
He's handled, he's loved, he was...
I don't know.
He has, if he hides...
Thank you.
I guess it might be true, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know,
You know what I mean?
That's what I'm trying to do.
I'm trying to do it.
There was a reason we didn't treat the... Too bad.
Too bad.
It's not good.
It's not good.
It's not good.
It's not good.
It's not good.
It's not good.
It's not good.
It's not good.
It's not good.
It's not good.
Now, it's not that they're awful, but I'll talk to you about it.
It's the last report.
Well, the other law says that they wouldn't release dead prisoners after that, but how many do they want to have?
Ten.
But it's possible, it's not totally impossible, that they either don't come back from the North, or that they are stuck in isolation in other camps.
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I never could get...
I was in the state guest house, the governor's house, the governor's house.
Best house in town.
I never could get out of those doors.
Never.
I never could take a bath.
I never could.
... ... ... ... ...
I consider, you know, I've written an editorial attacking our age in Northeastern.
And I would say, for the same reason, that we want to help Northeastern.
We don't, we shouldn't be particularly eager for them to help us in Northeastern.
It's disgraceful, it's disgraceful to the mind, or the life.
The impression of respect was impressed on me.
You know, it was true for me.
And it gets through with the China thing, with the whole establishment, and so forth.
But on the other hand, the vast majority are just trying to say that this is going to work.
Much like a few of them have been cast on the scene and come back, well, it worked that much anyway.
They want this to fall on them.
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They ought to be out there night after night saying, there's no question about it, prepare to what the war would cause, what a new war that would cause.
They ought to be leading the charge away.
Well, they're not really against it, but they keep reporting all the questions.
Well, they're taking it out on the congressmen and senators, leading them into that, of course, which would be good.
Yes.
concern.
It's got credit.
Personally.
Not that.
It's credit for the United States for what we did.
But if you had early on a practice that we cannot tell 45,000 mothers why is that their kids died in Maine.
But if you had wanted me to put it that way, the United States would not have been worth calling.
What kills these guys is that you have said we honor you, you know, since they don't do you an honor in the legal community.
And those who do, don't want you to say that this is the fact of it.
But we have been damn kind to them all.
We really have.
It's gone long.
I mean, to a person, I'm going to say, I mean, to a guy who's withdrawn, unfortunately, who kept our word, and I think they can't believe my words, so they're going to shift because we said we were going to do it.
This is what the name of God does.
They don't want faith.
They have a conviction.
They want to be blessed.
Where is the Russian code?
Why don't they write it or you play?
The interesting thing is, I think the Russian code, it was for a, when it was, you know, a goddamn constant.
It wasn't a constant.
Germans, let's face it, had done in Europe good, and so we reported that.
Now, what in the hell is sedentary?
Let me say that in Germany, we had bombed other Earths, right?
We might be killing half a million civilians in Germany, some of them more than eight million.
My agent had me busted to kill those older and better people.
Sure.
So there it was.
My agent had me killed a hundred thousand and a half of them.
He killed a hundred and ninety thousand undressed.
That's right.
Right.
So we will age there.
That's another time.
Now the other part of this, though.
The Washington coach in front of me, briefly, said to me,
were all violently against Germany.
They were all privately, and some of them not so privately, for the North Vietnamese.
Now, they supported it to the nation they were against, and they opposed it to the nation they were for.
Now, what in the hell is that?
What in the hell is that?
They had to
They have to make this thing fail.
They know goddamn well that A is an essential component.
I'm sure they know what it's from.
And they want this thing to fail.
It has to come true.
It's promised.
It has to come true.
I have made a note that if you may, you should mention the Lord.
You cannot deceive us.
None of our video documents will come out against me.
It's very important that they did that, because I was quite confident.
You see why?
Because they have Christ Almighty on their doorstep.
You're plugged into the electric current.
One other thing the Chinese did is they offered us to keep healthy things quiet in Korea
and keep it out of the U.N. for at least a year and a half, certainly through this session.
If we give them something very, very much like abolishing UNHCR, which is the United Nations Commission for the Diversification of Korea, which really doesn't even understand anything, or the Australians are going to pull out of it anyway, and we were willing to do that.
I mean, that has no function, except to bring about diversification, which...
That was set up and they already knew it.
And we actually had been going through it last year.
And now you'll be the second roster in the tournament.
Thank you.
They, they, in effect, had all to do with the idea of an alliance.
Sure.
An alliance such as we don't have with any other country.
You know, basically, if you imagine the French and the British asking whether or not we should do this or that or the other, they shouldn't have tried this or not, never.
Never.
They shouldn't.
These people want to, they really want to work with us.
Let me ask a couple of questions about countries.
Give writers a call, or represent, or whatever they want to do.
You know, what he does doesn't matter.
Now, how much of that, how much can you tell him?
I don't think I should tell him anything about China.
China, I just want to say, it's a very difficult conversation.
It hasn't been covered at all.
It hasn't been, it hasn't been made, but I'm just sure it won't.
Yeah.
He's just going to blow it before the committee.
Yeah.
We have one more exchange in New York, and it's very positive.
So, I don't know if he's going to go over tomorrow, and he can say what he's talking about.
So, I'm waiting to talk about it.
Nothing.
I think he's got to appreciate it.
He'll do that.
But I'll tell him to stay off from the time he's ready.
Yeah, that's right.
Maybe he shouldn't come out again, but handle it on the basis that the name should be, that other countries will participate, but the forearms aren't.
He shouldn't push, you know, give the impression that it was all that even when I died, but it's still a matter of several months away.
Or he can discuss it in the economic commission.
It will be good for him to get out there and positively say, we've got to have him, we've got to get him out of there.
He has to ask the Lord, I will call him, I will call him, I will call him.
He's got to stand back to where he is.
If he were, you know, deceived by the contact that he was having now, I mean, he thought, he thought that everything was bad, he thought that it was a disaster.
But Huberman, as I said, the muskie, what the hell, I can't believe it was that guy.
You've got to hear this, Huberman.
He never got to get elected to a national office.
He could now really be instead of Huberman.
Never said something like that.
Never.
You take Dewey.
After Dewey, he lost for the second time.
Dewey became president.
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Thank you.
Thank you.
Thank you.
We told them.
We met with them and told them, remember?
I had a meeting with the bipartisan leaders and said, you know, this is very important and it's very serious and I would trust that you would take it.
That you have to assume the responsibility.
That had to be about the standards.
And now they've got to do it.
better than any nation state ever proposed to try.
They don't support it, at least the libertarian states say.
We differed by the conduct of the world, but the agreement is certainly better than what we thought.
It would be better to say that, just that let's all get behind the president and make this work.
But then they ask you to lead the national reconciliation.
And so the way they are carrying the reconciliation is strange.
They don't want to have this feeling of forgiveness.
They want justification and sanctification.
Every day.
Right now, hell of a lot more on the other side.
What do you think the mothers of 45,000 that died are going to say?
They all say that 45,000 that went to Canada this week, why the hell weren't they there?
They could have been there in my voice, please.
And I had a lot of speech from whenever these liberals have offered you the rules.
It wasn't the name of you.
It wasn't the name of you to carry out the Kennedy process.
And all they said, yeah, but you, uh,
The only way you could get the temporary troops from them is to carry out their program, and then they'll still oppose you internationally.
Well, for example, they support the offers of troops from the civilian arms, or the future of chemical warfare.
Correct.
But only for a day or two.
You know this how it's only 48 hours, and then you go on and something else happens.
Every time the president will be done.
It's like our troops were drawn.
They applauded for a day, and then started giving a show on us.
Any account of the country's administration, the only thing they can judge of is the better side.
The only part of the issue that hasn't done more every month this year.
Now, as a matter of fact, we've noticed that 30 senators have been settled upon a complete testament.
Now, what the hell good will that do?
You tell me, please.
Except to protect the cheaters?
But you...
Now, let's come back to the other one.
We're going to see Roger, whether I can bring him back.
But I'll leave it to you.
I'll leave it up to you.
You know what?
I'll leave it up to you.
You know what?
I'll leave it up to you.
I'll leave it up to you.
You should see I'll get you the toast.
You know, I think these fellows, they first looked the older guys.
They were impressed.
They studied what you did, and they wanted to be able to do it.
Because, he said, that President Nixon would be a just about this man, right?
He was a great pioneer, and he started the normalization of the election.
But now it is in front of us, and it opens it all around us back to the ground.
But right now, we're not supposed to fail this promise, and we can't say, oh, we're not doing it.
We've built the expectations that we've had, and we can't be equal to each other, and we can't be equal, and everyone is flawed.
Couldn't he use this time to press it?
And another thing they did, they had made a film on that tape, which they showed us, which is really beautiful.
I must start to get it over here.
They're using all these songs.
They played a few backwoods.
All the American songs have got that music.
And they don't show many things on game.
Next to nothing, all they show is American cities, which are visited by the Pink Pump team.
And we don't make documentaries that positive about America.
It really shows America at its most beautiful.
And they show you the greatest of things on the Internet.
And that's my own technology.
And it's shown all over China.
And they appreciate it.
They appreciate the fact that you can see all that.
They appreciate that you have to manage.
Thank you.
Oh, one other thing.
Taiwan came up with a, I don't know, pressure to do anything.
I promised that we could kill about 4,000 troops this year.
That's less than you had promised.
You said you could kill 4,000, less than half.
And those are all transport troops related to the U.S.
a little bit about that office.
On the other hand, there's so much less that still needs to be saved for the man to sacrifice.
But the illness is something that we can't forget.
There are relationships and trade and exchange and that sort of thing.
And Bill had a lot of knowledge.
He said, well, once in a while when he's thinking about it, it means, you know,
Nothing much is going to happen.
What the hell are they going to do about that?
You know, we have to have them save 70 million people and sell them, you know, on the phone.
And we're going to take the 70 million people and let them gobble them up and destroy them in one of the greatest, you know, productive countries in the world.
We've got to
I've already told you.
I think what we've done on this trip will take us through 74.
And at the end of 74, we have to consider what to do.
What about the possibility of another visit?
We know where you're going.
It's not overwhelming now, but you could.
No, I don't need it.
I mean, if you do the Russians, though.
I think if you do the Russians, you can't do all those big dollars with the Chinese.
You're not going to get it.
Well, he's there to sweep the bunches back.
Oh, incidentally, I used to.
I don't suppose it came up in the first place, but he raised the point that Julie and David were going to have a good chance.
Yeah, most of them.
They'd like that.
That would mean a lot to them.
I bet that was it.
Most of them.
What was the point of that?
They cannot go to New York.
They're pretty soft on it.
Well, you know, O'Hara was one of them.
Yeah.
But they had such, well, everyone agrees that they're not going to be each other.
And that it's unlikely that it's going to be about the same person.
And, you know, I don't understand who's going to be the other one.
You know, who's going to, who's going to be better.
You know, it's a very, very, uh, uh,
You know, they're so paranoid, it's almost impossible to have a rational discussion with them.
We haven't been so penetrated, we've been allowed to penetrate people.
They think, for example, they want to get into North Vietnam.
They think they can squeeze us out of North Vietnam.
They want to exploit us.
The North Vietnamese absolutely know that.
I think we ought to go on.
You're welcome.
We don't want to lose this thing.
I love you.
But then they lied so much that the doctor told me that they would not recognize him or her before I said, I think you're going to throw me down there.
So I got an interception this morning.
And right after the conversation, he ordered that they would both be close friends.
One point I should make to you, too, is that Howard Smith, our good friend, came to me and responded by saying, this is
I just marked it as something we should have done.
I said, where in the back?
Everybody, where in the back?
I've spent more, taken more time in Europe in the last four years than Johnson and Kennedy did eight years.
And Japanese.
Now the point is, we do have a word for the Europeans, but I don't know how we're working with the Japanese.
But I think another thing, I think that's a good point.
Maybe I should ask, though, because the United States is
getting added by the summit this year.
I think that's something we have to comprehend.
We need a space manager.
We've got to have him in charge.
Is that what I mean?
A charter that covers political, economic, and military events.
And I have started it, and it's been started.
The fact of the matter is, Mr. President, there's no one in Europe who can resolve the debate.
So we need to consider the possibility of
I think he's being required.
The trouble with these guys is that they are already, you know, coming on us.
And they're also a bunch of free-loading party chiefs.
They're no longer national leaders.
And that's why I asked the question, do they know who's in the world?
And they said, no.
So am I.
There was a bullet coming in from China.
So, so, so.
But not a big answer.
Fukuda would be pretty good.
The Japanese are more of a figure.
Incidentally, shouldn't we now get a new man there?
Four years.
I don't know what he's going to do with it.
We've got to keep, I mean, we can't bring him back to the Chiefs.
We've got to put Mortimer along.
He's got to stay.
He is playing the game.
Mortimer is a good politician.
He'll play the game.
He'll play the game.
I'm going to go another year.
Because if you can't do plays, then could we put him in?
I don't know.
I don't remember everybody doing that.
I must say, I was enormously unimpressed with Avery.
She just sat there, and like a trophy, and I tried to say something.
I think Avery's a good man.
He's a good division commander, but sometimes you put a guy, but not higher than his capabilities, and he's not that good.
I think he's a good man.
Westmoreland was very good, sir.
Well, he was contributing to the meeting.
He needed somebody to contribute to the strategy.
Or we shouldn't limit ourselves to hate, but we know that.
He's wrong to eat salmon.
It's hot.
It's hot.
I don't know if that's his right, but he doesn't have the character.
He's got to do it in a way that...
I think this is something that we
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