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Well, if you don't mind, I'll do that.

Ray, did I?

Peterson, do you know who that is?

Oh, it's not the son of a bitch.

Well, Peterson told me that he's dope.

Oh, I mean, he hurt him.

I think he was very intentional.

That's what it is.

But the warning was there at the end of it.

I don't know what was in it.

So that, um, what, or he could be, he won't say, he won't say what he put in it, I suppose.

He arrived at my office with a scotch tape sealed thing on it, handed it to, to the brain, and collected it.

What I did was the confidence of Greg to say, no, it may have told me that before Greg got there, I think.

I can't be sure of this.

But in any event, I knew what it purported to be.

But where and when was Greg told it was not really in the water?

I don't know.

It may have been totally in my presence or not.

I can't swear.

He says he wasn't, and...

I don't have any reason to doubt it, but I can't swear that I heard that said.

And, yeah, I can't have nothing to do with it.

You could say, I mean, it may be that his story is, I opened it, and it was both paper napkins or, you know, something.

But if he says, I was not heard in his office, and I did not receive a big panel envelope from me,

That I'm gonna have to dispute that.

So I go there and then do that.

Yeah.

So he wasn't turning back.

What they gave him there was the contents were not safe.

Yeah.

Nick Howard just got subpoenaed.

got a call said I thought we're serving.

Mr Howard.

You may want to go and talk to me while I'm on my way over there.

He's going to get advice.

I thought, unfortunately, post post.

I don't know if he was over the hill.

What?

I don't think so.

Well, U.S. attorneys and the FBI should send everybody who's subpoenaed into Trump to me because they just thought it was a practice.

Well, I hope that's what they thought, but more probably they'd like me to sit there and listen to the guy's story.

And then I'll call over and let them know what's going on.

I don't know what's going on.

I just want to ask you about that.

Is it certainly improper for a neighbor to counsel anybody?

I've got to tell you, we've got to get a quick counsel from anybody right now.

I mean, when he finishes, I don't know, I don't know.

When they want to be talking about each other, he basically comes to ask people about it.

I'm not asking him to make up any story, but I'm just saying, for God's sake, I just can't let that go crazy.

The director of the FBI, in the position of having two White House people say he forgot an envelope and he doesn't remember it, it's terrible.

I heard him talking, what did you say to him last night?

He said, he can't say that.

What did he say to you last night?

He said, I said, I'm your enemy, people say so and so.

And he said, he can't say that.

And I said, he already has.

But he said, I destroyed it.

What did he say to you last night?

That's it.

Uh, you know, that's, uh, I don't know if he does.

That is, if you're putting the best face on what they did, the strong question by the prosecutors, despite considerable fencing, he refused to discuss the matter by the prosecution for the strong.

And he wasn't saying anything to anybody about this because that's what he wasn't supposed to call over here.

I don't, I didn't know.

He called, he called the advice.

He said they were really working over it.

He said, stop this.

Listen, Sterling, you're going to jail.

Think about your wife.

Think about your baby.

How would you like me to do this bar?

And I don't, you know, that kind of stuff.

I knew they were going to root for it.

Root for what?

No, they asked me to get a lawyer.

They kept stressing me.

They wanted me to get a lawyer.

I think what they're doing is setting up for him.

Yeah, I know.

He said that right along with the word.

Well, I don't know.

I honestly don't know.

Now, her life and the Secret Service agent were there when that safe was open.

And, uh, I never tried to acquaint myself with her.

Yeah, so they're still on this.

That's your only older building, right?

D6 and they had the I-29 business and Liddy.

Well, that's interesting that Dean would take that remark and go out and act on it.

No, but Liddy did it.

Told her?

Yeah, that it came through Dean.

Yeah, but apparently they didn't bleed.

In other words, you were disgusting.

I told you.

Listen, I tried to tell Peterson, I said, well, look, I can imagine why you have to be disgusting right now.

You said, Jesus Christ, you're the only one in the country.

Maybe we don't need to fix it.

He didn't feel any of it.

I wish I could investigate.

Have you got any thoughts on the spider or the...

We had talked, we had served and talked to, uh... Moore?

Yeah.

Charlie Rose.

Oh, yeah.

They're against it, all right.

Well, as I am.

We're because of the reasons.

You mentioned some of those, but Rose has more to do with it than I have.

And, anyway, history's something.

We did what we probably ought to do.

We got anything else that you need?

Okay.

Thank God we haven't had a moment to say believe me.

Thank God we didn't get a dean to report it.

Right.

Thank God.

So we've done it.

Don't say it.

So I have it.

I've got an understanding, John, that he wants us to go first.

And we're not going to do it without the four recruiters, please.

We've got to go on.

What I didn't mind having to say, quickly, was that it's all safe to say.

But in any event, then we're going to have to wait for the recruiters.

And the point is, we've got the whole record.

I just don't want to...

He wants to wait until the burger pops.

Is that it?

No, I mean that... Well, he didn't get into the discussion about the burger popping out.

That was his objection.

His point is that, what Rose's point is, in addition to that, is that we can't go out and do anything else.

That's what he says.

He doesn't listen.

But at this point, with the president too close to the tie line,

As an investigator involved in knowledge and awareness of the range of proceedings, or if it could affect the direction of those proceedings,

Well, all the facts are going to show us otherwise, so when it comes out, go ahead.

But this one, we're going to see that.

I think so.

He did, John, I asked about Marguerite today, and they haven't got the deal with him yet because Marguerite's a very persistent couple, but they're on top of the syringe.

Marguerite's not good.

They haven't worked it out yet.

What about the potting on the beans?

They've got a deal on hand to go through.

In fact, his lawyer, when he asked for a comment, he got done and says, Dean, you're doing anything except for making a call on an early potential.

They don't get anything.

They're like, you try this and that's great.

And the president.

And his lawyer, Shatner, he actually said that's quite a comment.

He said, I'm not sure what he's talking about.

.

He told me that, I don't know, we're going to ship the other thing.

Well, Dave said after a second meeting over there, he went over and saw all of them.

And he said, we ought to be in this ship.

He called them and said, I agree.

I said, well, what's wrong with that?

He said, well, all of them, if I fail in the path,

Yeah, that is true.

And he even stays home and grieves that apparently no issue has been discussed.

Sometimes.

But failing to act.

And then I said, as you know, how long we've been doing that.

He wasn't charged with campaign.

And we certainly haven't.

But it was real quiet and he certainly did not.

He had no response to it all.

The campaign was totally out of my hands.

I suppose he was at the left of all of us.

We didn't call him back.

He was not at all.

That's what they're saying.

What would all of us say about that?

That's hard to get around and understand because the story consistently has been that at every one of those meetings, the plan was disapproved by the team.

Yep.

What was there to get out of it?

By going to the hall.

I don't know.

It doesn't make sense in the context of those meetings that everybody agrees on.

That in all those meetings Dean attended, it had been disapproved.

So why is there a bigger act when everything is disapproved?

Yeah, but that gets Dean involved in it.

You know, the suspenders, you know.

Like I said, I was thinking about going out, and I got a hold of your tire, but I decided not to.

Yeah, the fight is.

I mean, you've got a very good point there, you see.

Well, where was this?

I mean, if the damn thing was disapproved, why did all of us get blamed for not disapproving it?

Yeah.

I mean, two disapprovals, and everything is taken.

I mean, that's what I was going to say.

Well, I don't know.

I'm not going to buy it, I guess.

I'd sure like to see this put out sometime.

And I suppose it has to be at the time that the computer makes its deal.

Let me say, I've got a short leash.

Okay.

Wait for me.

Let's keep that statement.

That is a factual thing that John has worked up for.

I haven't read it.

I haven't talked about it.

Bye.

We gotta be ready to go in there and hit somebody.

We're gonna call it a day.

They adopted an awful lot of my stuff.

Their rule on television is very odd.

And it says, all still and motion picture photography must be discontinued before the witness commences his testimony.

may continue under the standing rules of the committee during the testimony of the witness.

Why?

That's my interpretation.

Well, no, Tate would be motion picture now.

Why not?

See, the terminology is still motion picture.

That is the way they use it.

And so I'm going to call in for Baker.

They're trying to get a clarification, right?

Because it may be their intent that if the networks will go live, they'll let them go.

But if they take, then they can't take the festival.

And if that's the interpretation, I think we ought to go for it, right?

Don't you?

Why are they planning on flying?

Hey look, I've got an interpretation I'm going to be back to you on for instructions.

You know, I said, there isn't much point in doing the whole thing until, uh, I think you're in committee with Greg, who's going to be on this for a few weeks.

I think it's been all helpful to be forthcoming the third week.

What was we talking about?

Four, I think, yeah.

How should I put it?

I don't know.

My problem is Howard Baker was the Russian.

So there's got to be action.

There's got to be action tomorrow.

It's the early committee meeting up there now.

10 or 6, the second meeting about it is that somebody is both blood and cash.

So he was there with this fire.

Philadelphia has gone to some abortion scandal.

It's been taken by surprise again.

I mean, we're not happy in this community too many.

The thing provides, well, I don't know, I'm kind of keen about this too.

You can have it here in an executive session.

And the committee rules at the witness's request for the purpose of determining school.

And in fact, it's really one of the important, where the witness should, should I testify?

Well, that's true.

And that's good.

And there's a lot of stuff in there about the,

They do prevail in even closer statements.

They will... What's your advice?

There's very little left to argue about except the television.

And we could say, we interpret this to mean that unless the television is live, there won't be any of this aspect with us.

How am I going to get the job done?

And then let them come back and say, no, that isn't what we mean.

We mean, hey,

And then we'd come back and say, well, that isn't satisfactory.

By that time, they're in the recess.

And the thing would be hung up until they get back.

No.

I mean, other than that, we had two of them hung up before the public hearing.

But I don't think the public hearing is going to be popular about that in the next four weeks.

But I think overall, to see what you think of the present time, we ought to report it.

I think we ought to report it.

What they're saying is that we intend to avail ourselves fully of the ground rule that permits the use of executive session.

And that undoubtedly, the majority of the White House witnesses will be the subject of a request to the other committee for an executive session.

Right.

Then, what we've done is gone to our high ground.

Actually, those that pull us off.

It's probably a little bit, but what I would say is we feel we can live with these ground rules.

It's very, it's obvious that the negotiations were very worthwhile.

We think the committee has come up with a fine set of ground rules that we can live with.

We're going to fully cooperate.

And then outside, you could say, why are we in relation?

Frankly, no.

Maybe I ought to get them and have them for you so that you can talk to Rogers about it.

Later today, you just might make a decision to go on that.

Well, then I'll have to get Baker's okay to make our announcement.

Because the way I have it set up with him, they get a meeting tomorrow before we make any announcement.

One big announcement tonight.

No, I thought that's what you meant.

If you were going to go with the urban thing today, would you make it tonight?

Yes.

Okay.

Well, then, I'll have a chance to talk to Baker tonight.

Baker will be left.

He won't be with me tomorrow.

Yes, he will.

He doesn't go to the next day on the spot.

He goes on his own.

You'll make the announcement tomorrow.

That's good.

Right on.

That'd be kind to think about.

Go ahead and question.

Well, I think we'll make the announcement tomorrow.

We'll do it tonight at once.

President and President

But bless his heart, those contacts are a matter of record, right?

But I don't agree with it.

That was the first and only recourse.

That was it.

I wouldn't worry about that.

It's not public license.

He's thinking it's a lawyer.

It's public license.

He's a president.

They're going to have to spend that money.

I don't agree with that.

Jackie Rose didn't like it when he said Manson was guilty.

Well, I can only respond to that.

That's what I understand.

What would your view about this kind of thing?

I don't want it tonight, but I'd sure like to see it go full press on tomorrow.

See, Wednesday's the energy message.

And we're going to be sort of saturating the press Wednesday with that.

I don't know.

I mean, we're having briefings in Iowa at 4 a.m. And so possibly it'd be best to do it here tomorrow or Thursday.

I think we're going to do it.

We'll see how they get along with their negotiations.

It's really like their hard place in these negotiations.

It doesn't really get them all that much.

Look at that piece of paper you've got there.

When you say, well, they're not going out of the country?

No.

Well, what else is there?

Well, there's other little things.

Where you mean, is it corroborated?

Yes.

But can they get that out of the bank?

You know?

Well, let's think about that.

If you were the prosecutor, who the hell do you care?

You know, there are claims you're sitting on.

You're sitting over there.

Why don't you put it on the president?

What is it that he can say?

You've got to figure at least a part of the president doesn't do that.

You can't say that.

I don't think he's done that report.

The fact that you put the chronology all together, he ended up with a hell of a day on his face.

I think he blames you.

He's going to have a little trouble with that.

I put together my log today.

And I have seen him on the average of five times a month.

Let's see.

So he's got to have a tough time making that statement.

And some of those were on your estate plan.

Some of them were on the library.

Some of them were on the police scandal.

Not save me five times a month, don't bother me.

All right, well, listen, you're wrong.

Let's let this go tonight.

I don't have time to describe it to you.

Did you want to meet me in front of you to be able to see how I feel?

What happened?

I don't know.

It's therapy for Americans.

It's the reason all the other that I deal with.

Americans are very close to me, but I want to get a little bit.

I've had a long talk with the U.S. and the U.S. and the U.S. and the U.S. and the U.S. and the U.S. and the U.S.

Well, it's not going to be that much of a problem.

I think I should have seen it.

I mean, it's really low.

You know, I don't know.

I'd really like to see Rogers coming to shoot around.

All right.

Part of the Rogers.

I'll show you that.

I mean, the only advantage is the fire.

There's no confidence with what I'm going to do.

I don't know what he's talking about.

I mean, his is a full court arrest.

That's right.

I know what the hell a full court arrest is.

In fact, did you talk to his party?

Yes, sir.

I thought of that already.

He wants to go out and he wants to call up an early one and name who's on it, right?

Or just say he has several variations of letters.

Yeah.

I think I want to be a little clearer in my mind.

I'll put it off.

Got it.

Look, I got it.

And I'm just in the middle of this thing.

And I'm thinking along those lines.

Just say that I cannot act.

Just say that I just finished this long meeting.

I cannot act today because it would, frankly, jeopardize the prosecution.

Okay.

And the right of defendants.

And therefore, that I cannot act.

I've been told that by the

Yeah.

You may not want to see it.

You're sort of thinking about it, for sure, asking it.

I'd like to have that space at 6 o'clock at night.

I'd like

I'd like to have that thing over in the parking lot.

Oh, in the parking lot.

I had it before I could use that thing.

Tom, I'd like to have it.

Because I've just got, I'm kind of here, Tom.

I just need to get it reviewed.

And I'm back today.

So I'm ready to do something quite similar.

I don't have to tell anybody.

No.