Nixon White House Tapes › Tape 438 › Conversation 438-012

Nixon & Ziegler on Watergate scandal and Press relations

Thursday, May 17, 1973 · 3:05 PM–3:06 PM ET · Old Executive Office Building · 1 min

ParticipantsNixon, Richard M. (President); Ziegler, Ronald L.Conversation438-012 on Tape 438StartThursday, May 17, 1973 at 3:05 PMEndThursday, May 17, 1973 at 3:06 PMRecording deviceOld Executive Office BuildingSourceNixon Library record for 438-012 ↗

President Nixon and Press Secretary Ronald Ziegler briefly discussed the status of ongoing investigative inquiries regarding specific individuals, including someone referred to as Frank. Nixon emphasized the importance of maintaining discretion and instructed Ziegler to ensure that these individuals remain detached from further communication. The exchange highlights the administration's heightened sensitivity to leaks and unauthorized contacts during the escalating Watergate crisis.

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Oh, I wonder if we were able to run down that guy.
And then this guy, Frank.
Well, I hope you told that little buzzer.
We're a buzzer.
You can tell him?
Yeah, I'm trying to tell him.
Well, he was worried because he knows nothing to do.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Stay back in the building.
Don't be calling back.

On May 17, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon and Ronald L. Ziegler met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 3:05 pm to 3:06 pm. The Old Executive Office Building taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 438-012 of the White House Tapes.

Conversation No. 438-12

Date: May 17, 1973
Time: 3:05 pm - 3:06 pm
Location: Old Executive Office Building

The President talked with Ronald L. Ziegler.

[See Conversation No. 46-96]
  • 046-096 3:05 PM · 1 min — President Richard M. Nixon and Ronald L. Ziegler talked on the telephone from 3:05 pm to 3:06 pm.
  • 046-097 3:06 PM · 12 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and White House operator talked on the telephone at an unknown time between 3:06 pm and 3:11 pm.
  • 438-013 3:06 PM · 3 min — President Richard M. Nixon and Alexander M. Haig, Jr. met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at an unknown time between 3:06 pm and 3:11 pm.
  • 438-014 3:06 PM · 10 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and White House operator met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at an unknown time between 3:06 pm and 3:11 pm.
  • 046-098 3:11 PM · 5 min — President Richard M. Nixon, J. Fred Buzhardt, Jr., and Ronald L. Ziegler talked on the telephone from 3:11 pm to 3:16 pm.
  • 438-015 3:11 PM · 29 min — President Richard M. Nixon, J. Fred Buzhardt, Jr., and Ronald L. Ziegler met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 3:11 pm to 3:43 pm.
  • 046-099 3:43 PM · 14 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and White House operator talked on the telephone at an unknown time between 3:43 pm and 3:53 pm.
  • 438-016 3:43 PM · 55 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and Stephen B. Bull met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at an unknown time between 3:43 pm and 3:53 pm.

Conversation 438-012, May 17, 1973. White House Tapes, Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, National Archives. Audio and AI transcript via Easy Nixon, https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/438-012 (accessed October 12, 2026).