Nixon White House Tapes › Tape 438 › Conversation 438-034

Nixon & Bull on Schedule management and Air travel

Tuesday, May 22, 1973 · 12:35 PM–12:38 PM ET · Old Executive Office Building · 2 min

ParticipantsNixon, Richard M. (President); Bull, Stephen B.Conversation438-034 on Tape 438StartTuesday, May 22, 1973 at 12:35 PMEndTuesday, May 22, 1973 at 12:38 PMRecording deviceOld Executive Office BuildingSourceNixon Library record for 438-034 ↗

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President Nixon and Stephen B. Bull meet briefly to discuss scheduling logistics and security concerns regarding an upcoming appearance. Nixon explicitly instructs Bull to cancel a planned flight for the following day. The conversation reflects the President's desire to maintain a controlled schedule and formal decorum in his interactions with the White House and the Supreme Court.

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Yeah.

They, you probably haven't heard, but there is no mine cart at the end of the night.

Did you know that?

No.

Well, I mean, at 6 o'clock, there is going to be a decision.

There's just three Republicans, and I don't know how many of them.

Now, if you say that the...

If you say that there are a lot of things going on, it's going to be best not to have something there.

But I have to assure you, I have to say, why don't we just build here a TLC?

One day, who told you that's pretty nice?

Well, Daniel, I don't think we're going to do the plane tomorrow.

I don't think we're going to do it.

You understand?

I don't want to do that.

Let's say hello to the White House tomorrow night at all times.

Because I know that is reciprocated by the Supreme Court.

Is that clear?

I understand.

All right, fine.

And when I get back in, it's a little bit easier for me to read it and have a few views on it.

Okay, but that has to be a six because of the police they have to have.

Okay.

NARA Description

On May 22, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon and Stephen B. Bull met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 12:35 pm to 12:38 pm. The Old Executive Office Building taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 438-034 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid

Conversation No. 438-34

Date: May 22, 1973
Time: 12:35 pm - 12:38 pm
Location: Old Executive Office Building

The President talked with Stephen B. Bull.
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                   NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                                                             Conversation No. 438-34 (cont’d)

[See Conversation No. 46-145]

Also recorded on May 22, 1973

046-144 12:27 PM · 12 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and White House operator talked on the telephone at an unknown time between 12:27 pm and 12:35 pm.
438-033 12:27 PM · 9 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and White House operator met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at an unknown time between 12:27 pm and 12:35 pm.
046-145 12:35 PM · 2 min — President Richard M. Nixon and Stephen B. Bull talked on the telephone from 12:35 pm to 12:38 pm.
438-035 12:38 PM · 1 min — President Richard M. Nixon and Alexander M. Haig, Jr. met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at an unknown time between 12:38 pm and 12:50 pm.
438-036 12:50 PM · 3 min — President Richard M. Nixon and Stephen B. Bull met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 12:50 pm to 12:55 pm.
438-037 12:55 PM · 15 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and unknown person(s) met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at an unknown time between 12:55 pm and 2:31 pm.
440-001 12:55 PM · 20 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and unknown person(s) met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at an unknown time between 12:55 pm and 2:31 pm.
440-002 12:55 PM · 9 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and unknown person(s) met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at an unknown time between 12:55 pm and 2:31 pm.

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Cite this conversation

Conversation 438-034, May 22, 1973. White House Tapes, Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, National Archives. Audio and AI transcript via Easy Nixon, https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/438-034 (accessed October 12, 2026).