Nixon White House Tapes › Tape 442 › Conversation 442-005
Nixon alone in his EOB office on Watergate scandal and John W. Dean III
Monday, June 4, 1973 · 11:30 AM–11:52 AM ET · Old Executive Office Building · 39 min
AI Summary
President Nixon met in the Old Executive Office Building to review audio recordings of his previous discussions with John W. Dean, III. The primary focus of this session was to examine specific interactions related to the 1968 bugging incidents and the involvement of the Federal Bureau of Investigation. By reviewing these tapes, the President sought to manage the narrative surrounding the unfolding Watergate scandal and coordinate his administration's position regarding the ongoing investigations.
- Watergate scandal
- John W. Dean III
- FBI
- 1968 wiretapping
- White House Tapes
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Well, um, I'm not sure if I'm holding on to it.
I think they're walking up to me, and she's like, uh, yes, I was talking to you yesterday, and he is going to...
He's very clear in his conversations with urban stagers that, first of all, he couldn't begin to be for the White House.
His own position to be for the White House is a very important point to look at.
And to even prove, basically, the White House staff to be not available, that has to be a very special set of circumstances for the President of the United States.
How many of us would consider it?
This is the main thing, way up there.
You know what kind of bed it is?
It's got handles.
But they don't have a third bed.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
Second, the FBI records, as far as I can remember, are made by the Chief Senator of the United States of America, and he was young.
Well, that was my reaction.
He talked so sensitive.
It sounds as if any material that they provided would provide means to come down and bring these people.
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No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
This is my work.
And that's a lot of it.
And it was, uh, what we did at this point, you know, a lot of them were over-started.
And, you know, even for a lot of people, uh, it was a lot of fun.
And, you know, a lot of people said, you know, that's kind of scary for people to go back and do that.
And, you know, I wasn't in.
and that was exactly what he said.
He said he ultimately came out of that.
They were submitting him on whether or not the White House has appealed the FBI report to the great right.
That did not happen.
I can tell you all about it, but it did not happen.
So what I can say is that I will be staying here for three years.
Alright, first of all, I'd like to mention that in the second location, in the next four years, I'd like to make a break with her, and she can check with me if I can get her to hand it off.
So, Danny and I are saying that he's probably going to be the first one.
Okay.
Okay.
I'm going to show it to the house, and you can see how it's on that line.
So, the house is on the same line.
That's the value of land.
So, if you look at the other side of the land,
Thank you.
My father-in-law is great.
He's right.
He can be a little dumb, a little bull-headed.
I think that if he's right, then he's a little bit bull-headed on this.
I think he knows now that he's going to have to go back to that one-inch part.
And so, you know, 20 years, if you go back up today, you're going to have to say, I didn't have a story to tell.
I did what I needed to do, but I was very lost in your day.
I think it's the way you see it, but it's the way you are.
You're not in here.
You should be there.
That's right.
You should be there.
Yes, you are.
And you can get over it.
You can get over it.
The fact is, this is the greatest I've went far over the years to get FBI law in.
You'll today will not be behind me.
Not enough.
I don't know if this is the right time to call or if this is the right time to get together.
I don't know if this is the right time to get together.
Absolutely.
I'm sorry.
I'm sorry.
I'm sorry.
I'm sorry.
I remember when I was in high school, I was driving a car, and I was driving a truck, and I was driving a truck, and I was driving a truck, and I was driving a truck, and I was driving a truck, and I was driving a truck, and I was driving a truck, and I was driving a truck,
So, we are going to take our record and send it to our booth within the shore.
And that's where we are going to send it to the field of education.
So, I'd like to thank you for your time.
Thank you.
Thank you.
We need to find the party.
Where is that party?
The Chinese today will win for sure.
Now we are heading out to eat.
They have three reporters and a lot of vans that move on over.
We are going to start this year.
We've got a little boat boat that's going to be 13 days from now.
Everything's out there, you know, let's do it.
You know, they probably haven't seen her come down to do, you know, that kind of thing.
So, I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
And I hope that when you guys are ready for the fall, it's just so good.
It's so good.
It's so good.
It's so good.
It's so good.
It's so good.
It's so good.
And it's a little bit of a bad thing to do, because there was no voting on the front line for today.
I'm very happy to be here today.
I'm very happy to be here today.
I'm very happy to be here today.
I'm very happy to be here today.
Uh, or if it doesn't happen, we'll do that.
So that's good.
And I guess, well, I'm the reason that I agree with him now.
It's going to be very helpful to each of us to help each other out.
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I don't know.
Okay.
Okay.
Okay.
Okay.
Yeah.
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What?
Oh, no, no, no, no.
That's my problem.
I'll be late if there's people around.
I'll be home on Thursday.
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Stay where you are.
Stay where you are.
Stay where you are.
Stay where you are.
Congratulations.
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All right.
All right.
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And that's where you have the warning sign.
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Well, there's been several conversations here and there, but I'm excited about the great work that's been done here.
It's not always going to be hard, but it's a lot of work.
It's a lot of work.
It's not always going to be hard, but it's a lot of work.
It's a lot of work.
It's a lot of work.
It's a lot of work.
It's a lot of work.
It's a lot of work.
It's a lot of work.
It's a lot of work.
It's a lot of work.
It's a lot of work.
It's a lot of work.
It's a lot of work.
It's a lot of work.
It's a lot of work.
It's a lot of work.
It's a lot of work.
Well, it's been a long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long.
and all the things, great water, so we, the guys had a bunch of hollers on top of it, and on the end of it, so that's what we did.
We did a great job.
That is the kind of celebration we do every year.
It's very, very amazing.
I gotta thank you for all of that.
All right.
All right.
All right.
All right.
All right.
One, two, three, four.
But I don't see, I don't see the idea that he's seen enough vigilantes or kids.
He wants to be a survivor of that.
He wants to appear.
And he has nothing to hide about the war.
He probably hasn't had a solution.
And, and good.
He's proud of the war games that I'm hearing.
I've been trying to investigate this for the first time in my life, but I'm not going to do it.
I'm going to do it.
I'm going to do it.
I'm going to have to speak with your library guy over there.
That's right.
And, uh, what I'm going to have to do is meet with him.
We've been meeting on briefs, and he's on top of the investigation.
I was out making a lot of speeches.
Then we got kind of passed.
He went in on top of the investigation, and he's an eye on the gun.
But he was in with his chair over there, you know, for, you know, the crazy office room.
Yeah.
Well, I think, you know, I think it would be awkward if I, you know, even if I later, you know, if he ever did, you know, later, I wouldn't have said I didn't want to talk to him like that.
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No, no, no, no, no.
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Okay.
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Wow.
Wow.
Right.
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Thank you.
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I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
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When I was a kid, I used to go to school with my friends.
I used to go to school with my friends.
I used to go to school with my friends.
I used to go to school with my friends.
Okay, take care.
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They're kind of going to say, this is the same model we need.
This is the same model we need to run the way we need to do it.
This is the model we need to do it for.
This is the model we need to do it for.
This is the model we need to do it for.
This is the model we need to do it for.
This is the model we need to do it for.
That's right.
Thank you.
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You've got a lot of things going on.
You've got a lot of things going on.
You've got a lot of things going on.
Hey, what's going on?
Hey, what's going on?
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I'll get it.
I'll get it.
NARA Description
On June 4, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at an unknown time between 11:30 am and 11:52 am. The Old Executive Office Building taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 442-005 of the White House Tapes.
Nixon Library Finding Aid
Conversation No. 442-005
Date: June 4, 1973
Time: Unknown between 11:30 am and 11:52 am
Location: Executive Office Building
The President played a portion of a recording of a meeting with John W. Dean, III.
[A transcript of the following portion of this conversation was initially prepared for the
Watergate Special Prosecution Force (WSPF) and can be found in Record Group (RG) 460, Box
59, “Transcript of a Recording of a Meeting of March 1, 1973 between President Nixon and John
Dean from approximately 9:18 to9:45 a.m. in the Oval Office,” pages 1-20. The Nixon
Presidential Materials Staff reviewed the transcript and made changes as necessary. This
transcript has been reviewed under the provisions of the Presidential Recordings and Materials
Preservation Act of 1974 (PRMPA). The National Archives does not guarantee its accuracy.]
[See also Conversation 866-003]
[Begin transcribed portion]
[End transcribed portion]
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[Previous National Security (B) withdrawal reviewed under MDR guidelines case number
LPRN-T-MDR-2014-010. Segment declassified on 10/03/2017. Archivist: DR]
[National Security]
[442-005-w001]
[Duration: 10s]
1968 bugging incident
-Federal Bureau of Investigation [FBI] capacity
-Cartha D. (“Deke”) DeLoach capacity
-Federal Bureau of Investigation [FBI] backchannels
Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, NARA Online Public Access Catalog Identifier: 597542
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[End transcribed portion]
The President stopped the recording at an unknown time before 11:52 am.Also recorded on June 4, 1973
- 039-061 11:19 AM · 11 sec — White House operator and President Richard M. Nixon talked on the telephone at 11:19 am.
- 442-003 11:19 AM · 10 sec — unknown person(s) and President Richard M. Nixon met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at an unknown time between 11:19 am and 11:24 am.
- 442-004 11:24 AM · 6 min — President Richard M. Nixon and Stephen B. Bull met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 11:24 am to 11:30 am.
- 039-062 11:30 AM · 25 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and White House operator talked on the telephone at an unknown time between 11:30 am and 11:52 am.
- 442-006 11:30 AM · 9 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and White House operator met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at an unknown time between 11:30 am and 11:52 am.
- 039-063 11:52 AM · 13 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and Alexander M. Haig, Jr. talked on the telephone from 11:52 am to 11:53 am.
- 442-007 11:52 AM · 13 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and Alexander M. Haig, Jr. met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 11:52 am to 11:53 am.
- 442-008 11:58 AM · 35 min — President Richard M. Nixon, Alexander M. Haig, Jr., and Stephen B. Bull met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 11:58 am to 12:35 pm.
Cite this conversation
Conversation 442-005, June 4, 1973. White House Tapes, Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, National Archives. Audio and AI transcript via Easy Nixon, https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/442-005 (accessed October 1, 2026).