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Nixon & Bull on Welfare reform and White House staff

Tuesday, March 9, 1971 · 1:30 PM–2:34 PM ET · Oval Office

ParticipantsNixon, Richard M. (President);  Bull, Stephen B.Conversation464-013 onTape 464 (tape position 03:46:46–03:49:27)StartTuesday, March 9, 1971 at 1:30 PMEndTuesday, March 9, 1971 at 2:34 PMRecording deviceOval OfficeSourceNixon Library record for 464-013 ↗

AI Summary

President Nixon met with his aide Stephen B. Bull to review and refine his daily schedule for upcoming meetings. The discussion centered on coordinating sessions with key advisors, including Harry Dent, Peter Flanigan, Henry Kissinger, John Ehrlichman, and George Shultz. A primary focus of the planned deliberations with Ehrlichman and Shultz was the ongoing development of welfare reform policy.

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NARA Description

On March 9, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon and Stephen B. Bull met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 1:30 pm and 2:34 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 464-013 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid

Conversation No. 464-13

Date: March 9, 1971
Time: Unknown between 1:30 pm and 2:34 pm
Location: Oval Office

The President met with Stephen B. Bull

     President’s schedule
          -Harry S. Dent and Peter M. Flanigan
          -John D. Ehrlichman and George P. Shultz

          -Henry A. Kissinger
          -Ehrlichman and Shultz
                -Welfare reform

Bull left at an unknown time before 2:34 pm

Also recorded on March 9, 1971

  • 464-009 11:39 AM · 23 min — President Richard M. Nixon, George P. Shultz, Henry A. Kissinger, Peter M. Flanigan, Peter G. Peterson, and the White House operator met in the Oval Office of the White House from 11:39 am to 12:03 pm.
  • 464-010 12:03 PM · 21 min — President Richard M. Nixon, Fred Fassen, Foster J. Pratt, Arthur Schuettner, Raymond Ast, Emily T. Barhydt, Louis Blueth, Charles C. Fichtner, George E. Gilbert, Robert C. Gillingham, H. Benjamin Hendler, Florence Krieger, Leslie O. Long, A. O. Mathias, William J. Powell, Willie C. Ray, Jayne B. Spain, J. Cecil Sandberg, H. A. Tiller, Lola Tilly, Jennie S. Wilmot, Emma Woodward, Bernard E. Nash, Dorothy Crippen, Cyril Brickfield, Lloyd Wright, Charles Thomas, Bernard S. Van Rensselaer, John B. Martin, George T. Bell, Robert H. Finch, and White House photographer met in the Oval Office of the White House from 12:03 pm to 12:23 pm.
  • 464-011 12:23 PM · 1 min — President Richard M. Nixon and Stephen B. Bull met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 12:23 pm and 12:26 pm.
  • 464-012 12:26 PM · 1 hr 7 min — President Richard M. Nixon, H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman, Stephen B. Bull, Rose Mary Woods, Ronald L. Ziegler, unknown person(s), White House operator, and William T. Kendall met in the Oval Office of the White House from 12:26 pm to 1:30 pm.
  • 464-014 1:30 PM · 1 min — President Richard M. Nixon and Stephen B. Bull met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 1:30 pm and 2:34 pm.
  • 464-015 2:34 PM · 23 min — President Richard M. Nixon, Harry S. Dent, and Peter M. Flanigan met in the Oval Office of the White House from 2:34 pm to 2:58 pm.
  • 464-016 2:58 PM · 33 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and Stephen B. Bull met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 2:58 pm and 3:01 pm.
  • 464-017 3:01 PM · 41 min — President Richard M. Nixon, Henry A. Kissinger, and Stephen B. Bull met in the Oval Office of the White House from 3:01 pm to 3:42 pm.

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Cite this conversation

Conversation 464-013, March 9, 1971. White House Tapes, Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, National Archives. Audio and AI transcript via Easy Nixon, https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/464-013 (accessed September 18, 2026).