Nixon White House Tapes › Tape 498 › Conversation 498-010

Nixon & Bull on Henry Kissinger and James M. Roche

Thursday, May 13, 1971 · 1:25 PM–2:15 PM ET · Oval Office · 38 sec

ParticipantsNixon, Richard M. (President); Bull, Stephen B.Conversation498-010 on Tape 498 (tape position 03:12:15–03:12:54)StartThursday, May 13, 1971 at 1:25 PMEndThursday, May 13, 1971 at 2:15 PMRecording deviceOval OfficeSourceNixon Library record for 498-010 ↗ · National Archives Catalog, NAID 417177143 ↗

AI Summary

President Nixon and Stephen B. Bull reviewed the President’s upcoming daily schedule, focusing on coordination for a series of high-level meetings. The discussion specifically addressed the logistics for upcoming appointments with Henry Kissinger, Barber, and James M. Roche. John D. Ehrlichman and Peter G. Peterson were identified as additional participants for the scheduled meeting with Roche.

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NARA Description

On May 13, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon and Stephen B. Bull met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 1:25 pm and 2:15 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 498-010 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid

Conversation No. 498-010

Date: May 13, 1971
Time: Unknown between 1:25 pm and 2:15 pm
Location: Oval Office

The President met with Stephen B. Bull

     The President's schedule
          -Henry A. Kissinger
          -Barber
          -James M. Roche
               -John D. Ehrlichman, Peter G. Peterson

Bull left at an unknown time before 2:15 pm

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Mr. Henry, I've seen you for five minutes prior to 3 o'clock.

I wonder if you were aware of it right now, Mr. Lawrence.

The Board of Regents in New York is inhumanating, sir.

Yeah, I would.

I couldn't go further.

Mr. Henry, did you miss us?

Yes, I did see you.

Well, then, bye.

Why don't we stay?

I'll catch you in about five minutes.

Five minutes prior to 4 o'clock.

Well, then, we're going in.

Bye.

Thanks.

Do you know anybody on that meeting with Roche?

Yes, sir.

I think earlier was coming to that.

Peterson was coming, too.

Peterson.

Also recorded on May 13, 1971

498-019 12:20 PM · 23 sec — United States Secret Service agents met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 12:20 pm and 12:50 pm.
057-001 12:22 PM · 29 min — President Richard M. Nixon, John B. Connally, and the Citizens' Committee for Government Reorganization, including James M. Roche, Terry Sanford, Dewey F. Bartlett, John E. Robson, Walter N. Thayer, James Finch, Murray Comarow, Francis A. Coy, Betty Furness, Ben W. Heineman, J. Erik Jonsson, Franklin A. Lindsay, Leonard H. Marks, Newton Minow, Gen. Lauris Norstad, Richard M. Paget, Jack S. Parker, James J. Reynolds, Allen P. Stults, Andrew J. Young, Jr., and the White House photographer, met in the Cabinet Room of the White House from 12:22 pm to 12:50 pm.
057-002 12:50 PM — unknown person(s) met in the Cabinet Room of the White House at an unknown time between 12:50 pm and 4:31 pm.
498-006 12:50 PM · 13 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and unknown person(s) met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 12:50 pm and 1:00 pm.
498-007 12:50 PM · 25 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and Alexander P. Butterfield met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 12:50 pm and 1:00 pm.
498-008 1:00 PM · 19 min — President Richard M. Nixon, H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman, and Manolo Sanchez met in the Oval Office of the White House from 1:00 pm to 1:25 pm.
498-009 1:25 PM · 54 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and Walter Trohan met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 1:25 pm and 2:15 pm.
498-011 2:15 PM · 1 hr 13 min — President Richard M. Nixon, Henry A. Kissinger, Stephen B. Bull, John D. Ehrlichman, Peter G. Peterson, and James M. Roche met in the Oval Office of the White House from 2:15 pm to 3:35 pm.

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Cite this conversation

Conversation 498-010, May 13, 1971. White House Tapes, Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, National Archives (NAID 417177143). Audio and AI transcript via Easy Nixon, https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/498-010 (accessed November 2, 2026).