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Nixon & Ziegler on Nelson Rockefeller and Federal-state relations

Friday, June 4, 1971 · 3:11 PM–3:12 PM ET · Oval Office · 56 sec

ParticipantsNixon, Richard M. (President); Ziegler, Ronald L.Conversation512-024 on Tape 512 (tape position 03:51:01–03:52:11)StartFriday, June 4, 1971 at 3:11 PMEndFriday, June 4, 1971 at 3:12 PMRecording deviceOval OfficeSourceNixon Library record for 512-024 ↗ · National Archives Catalog, NAID 417177713 ↗

AI Summary

President Nixon and Press Secretary Ronald Ziegler briefly coordinate a meeting with Governor Nelson Rockefeller to discuss federal-state relations. They specifically weigh the optics of allowing photography during the session to document the administration's engagement with state leadership. Ziegler agrees to consult Rockefeller on his preference for the photo opportunity before finalizing the logistics.

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NARA Description

On June 4, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon and Ronald L. Ziegler met in the Oval Office of the White House from 3:11 pm to 3:12 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 512-024 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid

Conversation No. 512-24

Date: June 4, 1971
Time: 3:11 pm - 3:12 pm
Location: Oval Office

The President talked with Ronald L. Ziegler

[See Conversation No. 4-34]

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Yeah.
I'm going to have a little, uh, 15-minute chat with Rockmore before this meeting.
Do you think you want to have people take a picture?
I'm thinking for the purpose of VR.
Having stuff lives in and so forth.
I'm just thinking of the city and the places the governor is going to spend it.
I'll, uh, I'll, I'll talk to him and see if he feels it's a good idea.
You know, I don't think overalls, you know,
We just have to pop in and go from there.
Federal state relations.
Federal state relations.

Also recorded on June 4, 1971

  • 255-005 2:54 PM · 2 min — President Richard M. Nixon and unknown person(s) met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at an unknown time between 2:54 pm and 3:10 pm.
  • 004-033 3:10 PM · 7 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and the White House operator talked on the telephone at an unknown time between 3:10 pm and 3:11 pm.
  • 512-020 3:10 PM · 38 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and unknown person(s) met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 3:10 pm and 3:11 pm.
  • 512-021 3:10 PM · 48 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and Alexander P. Butterfield met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 3:10 pm and 3:11 pm.
  • 512-022 3:10 PM · 8 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and unknown person(s) met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 3:10 pm and 3:11 pm.
  • 512-023 3:10 PM · 4 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and the White House operator met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 3:10 pm and 3:11 pm.
  • 004-034 3:11 PM · 49 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and Ronald L. Ziegler talked on the telephone from 3:11 pm to 3:12 pm.
  • 512-025 3:14 PM · 20 min — President Richard M. Nixon, Stephen B. Bull, Nelson A. Rockefeller, Henry A. Kissinger, Dwight L. Chapin, and Ronald L. Ziegler met in the Oval Office of the White House from 3:14 pm to 3:35 pm.

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Cite this conversation

Conversation 512-024, June 4, 1971. White House Tapes, Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, National Archives (NAID 417177713). Audio and AI transcript via Easy Nixon, https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/512-024 (accessed November 11, 2026).