Nixon White House Tapes › Tape 619 › Conversation 619-003

Ziegler, Sanchez & United States Secret Service agents on Oval Office

Tuesday, November 16, 1971 · 8:07 AM–9:50 AM ET · Oval Office · 24 min

ParticipantsUnited States Secret Service agents; Sanchez, Manolo; Ziegler, Ronald L.; [Unknown person(s)]Conversation619-003 on Tape 619 (tape position 00:06:28–00:32:10)StartTuesday, November 16, 1971 at 8:07 AMEndTuesday, November 16, 1971 at 9:50 AMRecording deviceOval OfficeSourceNixon Library record for 619-003 ↗

AI Summary

This recording captures various administrative and logistical interactions in the Oval Office involving Secret Service personnel, Manolo Sanchez, and Ronald Ziegler. The primary objective of the meeting was to address routine facility maintenance, specifically reported lighting problems in both the Oval Office and the Old Executive Office Building. While the audio contains segments of fragmented or general conversation, the core development involved coordinating with an electrician to resolve these infrastructure concerns.

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I don't get it.
It isn't the same.
There's no name here, right?
I don't know.
What do you think?
I don't know.
I don't know.
You know what she used to do?
She used to give wonderful guests away.
Thank you.
I don't know.
I don't know.
You know, the U.S.S.S.
is a very nice country.
Thank you very much.
Thank you very much.
She went to bed in a car, in a car, in a car, in a car, in a car, in a car, in a car, in a car, in a car, in a car, in a car, in a car,
and as far as what's going on, I don't think I should go over that, but I do want to get some info about it.
So the king, like all of the children that we've got, the king was one of the best priests I've ever met.
And I do want to say to my children,
Maybe.
Maybe.
Maybe.
Maybe.
Maybe.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Thank you.
What do you have in mind?
Good morning.
Good morning.
Thank you.
I was out.
You would dance, I said, for the young women, but all you had to do was dance, and I told people, uh, who was there, I said, because it was a big army, and you need to rule the army.
Maybe I was a strong man.
I was a strong man.
I was a strong man.
I was a strong man.
I was a strong man.
Well, I tell you, I have to put you on the line for a year.
What's that mean?
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
Yeah, sure.
He said, well, you know, he said, you know, he talked about me, and the names of my brothers and sisters, and he said, John,
I mean, you know, I want you to be just as sure as you are.
I don't know.
I don't want you to go back.
I don't know.
I want you to accept that I'm a friend of your father.
No.
I don't want you to find out about the job.
Yes, that's good.
Yes, that's good.
Who calls you, sir?
Uh, well, they told me to call this.
It's a record office.
It's a record office.
Well, I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
She's the only one who can do it to me, so thanks.
Yes, sir.
Sir, can you give me the electrician's office?
Do you have an electrician there?
I'd like to work in the electrician's office.
So, I guess you won't.
Let's go over there.
As the statement was in page 6, the President has promised to hold on us.
May we all have a word of order on the supplies being out here, and as understood, we will be on it.
3296, thank you very much.
Get in the boat, I'm right behind you.
You come here.
I think we have to go to that end.
Second movement is that we go to that end, and I'm going to go.
And if you don't know what I mean, it's my name.
And we're going to go to the summer hall, and we're going to sit there all the time today.
It's that time of year, okay?
And then, we go to the ball game.
It's that moment.
The second movement is that, uh...
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
Let's leave it at that.
Tony, you have a boy.
You've got a man.
You have a boy.
You'll get him.
You'll get him.
You've got him.
You've got him.
You've got him.
You've got him.
Good.
Good.
Good.
Good.
Good.
Good.
Good.

NARA Description

On November 16, 1971, United States Secret Service agents, Manolo Sanchez, Ronald L. Ziegler, and unknown person(s) met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 8:07 am and 9:50 am. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 619-003 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid

Conversation No. 619-3

Date: November 16, 1971
Time: Unknown between 8:07 am and 9:50 am
Location: Oval Office

Unknown people [Secret Service agents] met.
     The President's location
          -Cabinet Room

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[Previous archivists categorized this section as unintelligible. It has been rereviewed and
released 02/11/2019.]
[Unintelligible]
[619-003-w002]
[Duration: 2m 29s]

     Unknown Senator

[This portion of the tape is mostly room noise with some muffled background conversation.]

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[Previous archivists categorized this section as unintelligible. It has been rereviewed and
cleared for release. The withdrawal is now categorized as a PRMPA Federal Statute (A) and
was reviewed under deed of gift 09/30/2019.]
[Federal Statute]
[619-003-w004]
[Duration: 13s]

     Spelling of acronym USSS

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[Previous archivists categorized this section as unintelligible. It has been rereviewed and
released 09/30/2019.]
[Unintelligible]
[619-003-w005]
[Duration: 16m 12s]

     Greetings

     Agent Parson

     Officer Keene

     Unknown woman

     General conversation

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Manolo Sanchez entered at an unknown time after 8:07 am.

     Electrician

Ronald L. Ziegler entered at an unknown time after 8:07 am.

     Oval Office
          -Lighting problem

     Old Executive Office Building [EOB]

An unknown person [Secret Service agent] talked with an unknown person at an unknown time
between 8:07 am and 9:50 am.

[Conversation No. 619-3A]

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[Previous PRMPA Statute (A) withdrawal. This segment was rereviewed 12/08/2017 with new
guidance. Segment cleared for release.]
[Federal Statute]
[619-003-w001]
[Duration: 3s]

     United States Secret Service [USSS]

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     Lighting problem
          -Oval Office
          -EOB

[End of telephone conversation]

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[Previous archivists categorized this section as unintelligible. It has been rereviewed and
released 02/11/2019.]
[Unintelligible]
[619-003-w003]
[Duration: 3m 21s]

     Unknown person’s location

     Unknown person’s arrival

     General conversation
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The unknown people [Secret Service agents?] and Sanchez left at an unknown time before 9:50
am.

Also recorded on November 16, 1971

  • 619-001 7:56 AM · 10 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and unknown person(s) met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 7:56 am and 8:07 am.
  • 619-002 7:56 AM · 18 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and Stephen B. Bull met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 7:56 am and 8:07 am.
  • 619-004 8:07 AM · 11 sec — Stephen B. Bull and United States Secret Service agents met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 8:07 am and 9:50 am.
  • 619-005 8:07 AM · 8 sec — Stephen B. Bull and unknown person(s) met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 8:07 am and 9:50 am.
  • 619-006 8:07 AM · 28 sec — Alexander P. Butterfield and United States Secret Service agents met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 8:07 am and 9:50 am.
  • 619-007 9:53 AM · 20 min — President Richard M. Nixon, John B. Connally, and unknown person(s) met in the Oval Office of the White House from 9:53 am to 10:13 am.
  • 619-008 10:13 AM · 10 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and unknown person(s) met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 10:13 am and 10:15 am.
  • 083-004 10:15 AM — President Richard M. Nixon and members of the Committee on Mental Retardation, including Elliot L. Richardson, Patricia R. Hitt, Clair W. Burgener, Kenneth Robinson, Jeannette Rockefeller, Nan Ulle, Joseph H. Douglas, Kenneth R. Cole, Jr., James H. Cavanaugh, met in the Cabinet Room of the White House from 10:15 am to 10:56 am.

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Cite this conversation

Conversation 619-003, November 16, 1971. White House Tapes, Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, National Archives. Audio and AI transcript via Easy Nixon, https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/619-003 (accessed October 12, 2026).