Nixon White House Tapes ›Tape 647 › Conversation 647-016

Nixon & Bull on Neil H. McElroy Commission and Spiro T. Agnew

Thursday, January 13, 1972 · 1:23 PM–1:24 PM ET · Oval Office

ParticipantsNixon, Richard M. (President); Bull, Stephen B.Conversation647-016 onTape 647 (tape position 03:02:21–03:03:37)StartThursday, January 13, 1972 at 1:23 PMEndThursday, January 13, 1972 at 1:24 PMRecording deviceOval OfficeSourceNixon Library record for 647-016 ↗

AI Summary

President Nixon and Stephen B. Bull met briefly to review the President's afternoon schedule, specifically focusing on an upcoming meeting of the Neil H. McElroy Commission. They discussed the expected duration of the session and the potential participation of Vice President Spiro T. Agnew. The brief consultation served to address and manage logistics regarding schedule delays for the remainder of the day.

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3:02:12uh...

3:02:36Oh, yeah.

3:02:38Yes, sir.

3:02:38Two or six years.

3:02:40No, sir.

3:02:40You know, Dave, the greatest of us was first time.

3:02:43I don't even question it.

3:02:44I mean, it's been 30 years since we moved in first time.

3:02:47I don't even regret it.

3:02:49Like, if nobody ever handled the rest of the 30 years, I'll lose my back.

3:02:53I mean, we go to second, first time.

3:02:56First time, I had to look back.

3:02:57And we never lose it.

3:02:58I mean, it's twice as much as anybody.

3:02:59But all the way on the back, we just brought it in the back.

3:03:31Because you do what you want, but you deserve whatever you're going to get.

3:03:35There's no place here where no prisoners do.

3:03:37But, I say, I appreciate the time I've given you.

3:03:42I was going to pay you a day or two.

3:03:44You sent her, I said.

3:03:45Oh, that's right.

3:03:50There are a lot of good ones.

NARA Description

On January 13, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon and Stephen B. Bull met in the Oval Office of the White House from 1:23 pm to 1:24 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 647-016 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid

Conversation No. 647-16

Date: January 13, 1972
Time: 1:23 pm - 1:24 pm
Location: Oval Office

The President met with Stephen B. Bull.

     Schedule
          -Neil H. McElroy Commission meeting
                -Length
                     -Vice President Spiro T. Agnew
                     -Delays in balance of afternoon schedule

Bull left at 1:24 pm.

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647-012 12:37 PM · 22 min — President Richard M. Nixon, Lt. Cmdr. James E. Sheehan, John Sheehan, Kathleen Sheehan, Kelly Sheehan, Kevin Sheehan, Eugene T. Sheehan, Edward J. Sheehan, Geneva Smith, Adm. Adm. C. D. Griffin, Louie B. Nunn, John Sherman Cooper, John J. Sparkman, Arthur F. Burns, J. L. Robertson, George W. Mitchell, J. Dewey Daane, Sherman J. Maisel, Andrew F. Brimmer, Robert Holland, George P. Shultz, Herbert Stein, Peter M. Flanigan, Frederic V. Malek, Oliver F. ("Ollie") Atkins, and E. Pendleton James met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 12:37 pm and 1:02 pm.
647-013 1:02 PM · 1 min — President Richard M. Nixon and Stephen B. Bull met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 1:02 pm and 1:03 pm.
647-014 1:03 PM · 16 min — President Richard M. Nixon, Arthene Cevey, Andrey Pontier, Karl Wunderlich, Peter Yu, Michael Slattery, Billy McNight, Richard Buck, Stephen Bazo, James Toomey, Russell Burke, Brian Clark, Phillip Beauregard, Pete Wyrough, Brooks Ross, Robert Jones, Brian Bunce, John Sharood, Peter McMahon, Francois VanDerMenbrugge, Christopher Cook, White House photographer, Ronald L. Ziegler, and Stephen B. Bull met in the Oval Office of the White House from 1:03 pm to 1:19 pm.
647-015 1:19 PM · 3 min — President Richard M. Nixon, Stephen B. Bull, Edwin M. Fauver, Mrs. Edwin M. Fauver, Ray M. Zook, Ronald L. Ziegler, and White House photographer met in the Oval Office of the White House from 1:19 pm to 1:23 pm.
647-017 1:24 PM · 51 min — President Richard M. Nixon, Robert O. Anderson, J. Erik Jonsson, Kenneth R. Cole, Jr., Leonard Garment, and Alexander P. Butterfield met in the Oval Office of the White House from 1:24 pm to 2:14 pm.
647-018 2:14 PM · 18 sec — President Richard M. Nixon, Stephen B. Bull, and Manolo Sanchez met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 2:14 pm and 2:16 pm.
647-019 2:16 PM · 6 min — Jon M. Huntsman, Mrs. Jon M. Huntsman, Jon M. Huntsman, Jr., Paul Huntsman, Kathleen Huntsman, Kristina Huntsman, James Huntsman, Paul Huntsman, David Huntsman, Alexander P. Butterfield, and White House photographer met in the Oval Office of the White House from 2:16 pm to 2:21 pm.

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Cite this conversation

Conversation 647-016, January 13, 1972. White House Tapes, Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, National Archives. Audio and AI transcript via Easy Nixon, https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/647-016 (accessed September 18, 2026).