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Nixon & Bull on Frank L. Rizzo and Staff instructions

Monday, January 24, 1972 · 11:55 AM–11:59 AM ET · Oval Office · 38 sec

ParticipantsNixon, Richard M. (President); Bull, Stephen B.Conversation653-010 on Tape 653 (tape position 02:10:49–02:11:24)StartMonday, January 24, 1972 at 11:55 AMEndMonday, January 24, 1972 at 11:59 AMRecording deviceOval OfficeSourceNixon Library record for 653-010 ↗ · National Archives Catalog, NAID 417180533 ↗

AI Summary

President Nixon and Stephen B. Bull briefly discussed the scheduling of Frank L. Rizzo. The President instructed Bull to bring Rizzo in alone first, before potentially bringing others in, indicating a desire for a private initial discussion with Rizzo. This meeting appears to be a quick logistical arrangement for an upcoming encounter.

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Position in tape: 02:10:49 – 02:11:24

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NARA Description

On January 24, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon and Stephen B. Bull met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 11:55 am and 11:59 am. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 653-010 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid

Conversation No. 653-10

Date: January 24, 1972
Time: Unknown between 11:55 am and 11:59 am
Location: Oval Office

The President met with Stephen B. Bull.

       The President’s schedule
            -Frank L. Rizzo

Bull left at an unknown time before 11:59 am.

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NixonThe Rizzo thing is just one or two men. You have the list?
BullYes sir.
NixonAll right, well let's bring Rizzo in alone first, and then bring them in. Okay?
BullYes, sir.
NixonRizzo in alone first.
BullFine, right.

Also recorded on January 24, 1972

  • 653-008 11:04 AM · 48 min — President Richard M. Nixon, Henry A. Kissinger, Kurt Waldheim, William P. Rogers, George H. W. Bush, Emil ("Bus") Mosbacher, Jr., White House photographer, and unknown person(s) met in the Oval Office of the White House from 11:04 am to 11:53 am.
  • 653-009 11:53 AM · 2 min — President Richard M. Nixon and Ronald L. Ziegler met in the Oval Office of the White House from 11:53 am to 11:55 am.
  • 653-011 11:55 AM · 58 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and Stephen B. Bull met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 11:55 am and 11:59 am.
  • 653-012 11:59 AM · 34 min — President Richard M. Nixon, Frank L. Rizzo, John D. Ehrlichman, White House photographer, Jacqui Miller, John Caracciolo, Thomas Mulloney, Henry Schoenfeld, Gene Harris, John Katz, Lou Zacharias, Andre Mitchell, Dan Lynch, and Stephen B. Bull met in the Oval Office of the White House from 11:59 am to 12:32 pm.
  • 653-013 12:32 PM · 25 sec — United States Secret Service agents met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 12:32 pm and 12:33 pm.
  • 653-014 12:32 PM · 15 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and Stephen B. Bull met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 12:32 pm and 12:33 pm.
  • 653-015 12:33 PM · 13 sec — unknown person(s) met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 12:33 pm and 4:55 pm.
  • 019-041 1:05 PM · 12 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and the White House operator talked on the telephone at an unknown time between 1:05 pm and 1:51 pm.

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Cite this conversation

Conversation 653-010, January 24, 1972. White House Tapes, Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, National Archives (NAID 417180533). Audio and AI transcript via Easy Nixon, https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/653-010 (accessed November 2, 2026).