Nixon White House Tapes › Tape 740 › Conversation 740-004
Nixon, Krol & Gurash on Private school funding and Religious outreach
Thursday, June 22, 1972 · 4:06 PM–4:35 PM ET · Oval Office
AI Summary
President Nixon met with John Cardinal Krol, John Gurash, and White House aides to discuss mobilizing support for government aid to private religious schools. The participants strategized on generating backing from various religious groups, distributing reports to key business and political leaders, and navigating the legislative and judicial challenges surrounding education funding. They further analyzed the political importance of key states such as New York, Pennsylvania, and Ohio, ultimately emphasizing the need for broad public relations efforts and candidate commitments to advance their policy goals.
- Private school funding
- Religious outreach
- Political strategy
- Education policy
- Supreme Court
- Election politics
Audio
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NARA Description
On June 22, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon, John Cardinal Krol, John Gurash, Charles W. Colson, Henry C. Cashen, II, and Stephen B. Bull met in the Oval Office of the White House from 4:06 pm to 4:35 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 740-004 of the White House Tapes.
Nixon Library Finding Aid
Conversation No. 740-4
Date: June 22, 1972
Time: 4:06-4:35 pm.
Location: Oval Office
The President met with John Cardinal Krol, John Gurash, Charles W. Colson, and Henry C.
Cashen II.
[Members of the press and the White House photographer were present at the beginning of the
meeting.]
Greetings
Report for the President
Arrangements for photograph
Aid to private religious schools
-Philadelphia Evening Bulletin
-Philidelphia
-Jews
-Protestants
-Catholics
-Colson
-Non-Catholics
-Religious leaders group
-Support
-Quakers
-Report
-Time of preparation
-Distribution
-Congressmen
-Business and Labor Leaders
-Editors
-Platform committees of parties
-Opposition
-Administrative support
-Tax incentives
-Administrative efforts
-Public relations
-Candidates for office
-Commitments
-State-level candidatesShow the rest of the log (85 more lines)
-Supreme Court
-Warren E. Burger
-Colson
-The President’s view
-Courts
-Senate Education Committee
-Testimony
-Supreme Court
-Problems
-Public opinion
-Columbia Broadcasting System (CBS) documentary
-Frank Stanton
-Summary of report
-Press briefing
-New York Times
-James Cardinal McIntyre
-Position on issue
-Bishop Timothy Manning
-Critical states
-New York
-Pennsylvania
-Ohio
-Illinois
-Michigan
-California
Gifts
Golf
-The President's game
Stephen B. Bull entered at an unknown time after 4:06 pm.
Gifts
-Golf balls
-Ashtrays
Bull left at an unknown time before 4:34 pm.
Golf
-The President's games
Gifts
-Ashtrays
The President's law firm
Gifts
-Ashtray
-Presentation
-Golf balls
-Seal
-Spiro T. Agnew
Bull was present at an unknown time after 4:06 pm.
Golf balls
-Number
-Seal
Bull left at an unknown time before 4:34 pm.
Golf
-Putting
-Jack Nicklaus
-Game against Arnold Palmer
Meeting
-Publicity
An election in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania
-A defeat
Unknown person
-Friendship with McIntyre
-Work with the President
-Religion
-Work with McIntyre
Krol, et al., left and Alexander Butterfield entered at 4:35 pm.
The President’s schedule
Butterfield left at 4:35 pm.Transcript (AI-generated)
No transcript is available because Easy Nixon does not have the audio yet.
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Cite this conversation
Conversation 740-004, June 22, 1972. White House Tapes, Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, National Archives. Audio and AI transcript via Easy Nixon, https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/740-004 (accessed October 30, 2026).