Conversation 754-007

On July 26, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon, Ronald L. Ziegler, unknown person(s), H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman, Manolo Sanchez, Rose Mary Woods, Alexander P. Butterfield, White House operator, and John B. Connally met in the Oval Office of the White House from 12:22 pm to 1:38 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 754-007 of the White House Tapes.

Conversation No. 754-7

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Date: July 26, 1972
Time: 12:22 pm - 1:38 pm
Location: Oval Office

The President met with Ronald L. Ziegler.

     The President’s schedule

     John D. Ehrlichman
          -Press briefing
                -Budget message
                -References to Congress
                      -Spending

The President talked with an unknown person at an unknown time between 12:22 pm and 12:26
pm.

[Conversation No. 754-7C]

     Unknown matter

[End of telephone conversation]

H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman entered at 12:26 pm.

     Ehrlichman
          -Press briefing
                -George P. Shultz
          -Potential as candidate
                -Work habits
          -Work habits
          -Compared to John N. Mitchell

     The President's schedule
          -Press conference
                -Thomas F. Eagleton

     1972 campaign
         -Ziegler's recent press briefing
               -Eagleton
                     -Health
                     -Republican response
                         -The President’s instructions to Clark MacGregor, Vice President

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                                 Spiro T. Agnew and others
                -Gary Hart's statement about release of personal information
                      -George S. McGovern
                      -Reciprocity
                          -1968 campaign
                          -Gen. Walter R. Tkach
          -Eagleton
                -Health
                      -Rose Mary Woods's conversation with Dr. Arnold A. Hutschnecker
                          -Calls to Hutschnecker about the President's health
                                 -Washington Post, Newsweek
                                 -Hutschnecker
          -Health of the President and Agnew
                -Ziegler's recent press briefing

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[Duration:    3m 17s  ]

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     Hutschnecker
         -Appearance
         -Background
         -Conversation with Woods

     [Eagleton]
          -Psychiatrists
                -Public comments

Manolo Sanchez entered at an unknown time after 12:26 pm.

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[Duration:   18s    ]

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Sanchez left at an unknown time before 12:36 pm.

     Eagleton
          -Appearance on the Today Show
               -Robert Abernathy's questions
                    -Candidates’ health
                    -Eagleton’s jugdment
                        -Informing McGovern
                    -Mental health
                        -Education public
                    -Frank M. Blair's comments

Woods entered at 12:36 pm.

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[Duration:    1m 25s  ]

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     Eagleton
          -Health
                -Hutschnecker's views on electric shock treatment
                -Dwight D. Eisenhower's health
                -Lyndon B. Johnson's health
                -Hutschnecker's views on health
                     -Psychosomatic theory
                         -Christian Scientists

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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 4
[Personal returnable]
[Duration:    1m 23s  ]

Ziegler left at 12:45 pm.

END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 4

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      Los Angeles Times
           -Finances
                 -Kyle Palmer
                       -Retirement
                 -Chandler family
                 -Norman Chandler
           -Compared to Washington Post
                 -Political orientation

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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 5
[Personal returnable]
[Duration: 16m 49s    ]

END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 5

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      Agnew
          -Strengths
                -National Security Council [NSC] meetings
                -Comparison with William P. Rogers, Melvin R. Laird, Henry A. Kissinger
                -Political style

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Alexander P. Butterfield entered at 1:10 pm.

      Call from John B. Connally

Butterfield left at 1:10 pm.

Haldeman talked with the White House operator at 1:10 pm.

[Conversation No. 754-7A]

      Request for a call to Charles W. Colson

The President talked with Connally between 1:10 pm and 1:24 pm. Haldeman can be heard in
the background.

[Conversation No. 754-7B]

[See Conversation No. 27-80; three items have been withdrawn from the conversation]

Woods left at 1:12 pm.

[End of telephone conversation]

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[Duration:    5m 4s   ]

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      Rogers
          -Reaction to comments
               -Kissinger and the President
               -Compared to the President
               -Compared to Herbert Brownell

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[Duration: 4m 42s     ]

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     Picture
          -Unknown woman

     The President's schedule
          -Press conference
                -Clothing

     Eagleton
          -Health
                -Press coverage
                     -Democrats

The President and Haldeman left at 1:38 pm.

This transcript was generated automatically by AI and has not been reviewed for accuracy. Do not cite this transcript as authoritative. Consult the Finding Aid above for verified information.

Yes, sir.
Okay.
Come on over and sit down.
I want to get a picture here.
You and I are talking about problems you can testify about, so sit over here.
No, you're here.
Senator will be here.
Bill, you sit here.
I'll tell you, if you turn around at this point, I'll tell you.
Oh, that's good.
Yeah, yeah.
Bill, that's marvelous.
Did you attend it?
Yes, sir.
Which they do at Christmas.
Which some of them, some Christmas aren't.
Because of the subculture.
If you do all that in your testaments, you can't do the questions.
They were doing that.
They were doing that.
You know, one of the things I was thinking that we ought to consider
I don't know that a prison giver isn't a prison.
I imagine, of course, the Secret Service, and I'll raise hell about that, but a prison's the safest place in the world.
I was thinking if you wanted to focus interest, if you wanted to really focus interest, I raised this with Hall a long time, and he said, Secret Service,
You know, they're also security officers.
I mean, this is an honest inquiry, but I'm just reliant, fatalistic about it.
I mean, they shoot for George Wallace.
They may shoot me tomorrow.
That's the way it is.
But I'll tell you what's been happening.
I told you on Saturday afternoon at the Tennessee State Prison.
And I went into a room, and I told the warden and the press and everybody.
I said, well, 30 guys can talk.
Because they're not going to talk to a lot of people.
They're going to be honest.
But they've got this thing that we're talking about today, the SEP staff program, which is a con to con program.
And these guys, I've never had more fascinating things in my life.
I don't know if this is working with either of your hands, but I'll just do a little checking, because I'm just concerned about an awful lot of folks.
Yeah, that's where it might work.
That person would be dangerous.
But they are.
But in town city, we cut our recidivism from 68% to 40%.
There must be some variety going on down there.
And I think that kind of a reason, if you carefully did it, I don't know.
I suppose it's probably one of those things that a lot of people regret.
Let's just take a look, frankly.
There may be some other way we can express it, because this helps you express it.
Maybe Billy Graham might be.
You know, he and I have talked about this.
Yeah.
Yeah, there's mugs and dolls.
to the television special.
I'd do a concert, and he'd speak to them in 10 minutes or so.
And maybe at your appearance at a place like that, a thing like that might be good.
There's an idea.
You were in Dallas at the time.
Yeah.
I know.
He turned around the caravan.
Oh, yeah.
Well, I drank.
That was a great bunch of kids.
Ah, they were wonderful.
Well, I'll tell you who I remember when you were here.
I remember when you were on the screen.
I think you and I would say that the country does a great job at record research.
It's clean.
It's patriotic.
And it's fun.
And, you know, you can have clean, patriotic, dull stuff that turns off the kids.
But the kids, your stuff is good and clean and patriotic and gets them jumping and hollering, but not cutting each other out.
Right.
That's what it's about.
And if you could keep that great tradition, you know, I'd be happy to let them camp all the time.
I have three people up here.
My great-aunt, my sister, and his father.
Were they worried about your wife at first?
No, we didn't have a baby.
He's not a baby.
That is my buddy.
But it kind of happens to him.
He's not a baby.
He's a buddy.
He is my buddy, really.
I spent a lot of time listening to Mr. John Rawlings.
Oh, he's a good man.
Isn't he, though?
I've never been to this place in Jamaica.
I bet you have.
I have this for us to say it's true.
I loved it here.
I think it's the kind of place you can go to really.
Do you like it?
I loved it.
So we're going back.
I did some concerts to raise money for an unwanted home for unwanted children.
Thank you.
Mr. President, I don't think I want to see you again.
Why don't we stand up here?
You have it in the White House.
Let's have it in the Oval Office before the Blacks.
Here's a John the Black, and a couple others.
This is the picture.
And, of course, there's the President's flag.
And I'll show you this because I'm going to give you something that has it described.
And here's the seal of the President's flag.
It's always in this picture.
There it is.
of the services, the Marine Corps, the Army, the Navy, the Coast Guard, and the Air Force.
And those always go with who retired presidents.
Thank you.
So now we'll take our picture in front of this.
Is that all right?
All right.
Come on.
Hey!
Come on.
Come on.
Right here.
Now look right out here.
That's nice.
That's nice.
That's right, that's right.
Now that's a good answer.
I'm just trying to be a video pick.
This is a piece of student, a professor, Anna Heard.
If you want to get around that, that's how you can see it better.
He had it made.
I mean, there's only one of its kind in the first world.
It's made.
And the seal is inscribed on it.
Oh, that's beautiful.
Oh, that's incredible.
Thank you.
It's beautiful.
This is from China.
It's a dwarf tree, 30 years old.
It's really old.
It's got 30 years.
This is real.
Did you bring that back?
One of my secretaries here brought it in.
We always put out state gifts, things of that sort.
This is a music box.
Over here, what do we have out this week?
This is the Prime Minister of Australia.
That's the most important thing.
Julie did that on election day.
She did it before election day.
It's cruel.
It's cruel.
It's cruel.
Well, we're very honored that you're taking the time.
Oh, listen, I'll tell you what John has done for this country.
Well, I want you to know that we pray for you today.
Thank you.
And whatever we missed, let us know.
I appreciate it very much, very much.
We've done so much already.
I'll show you what this is.
These are new.
We have the old ones.
See, here's the same color.
I'm going to cover it.
Bill, you don't have one of these.
You've got one of the old ones.
Oh, thank you very much.
Let's see, one other thing that I forgot.
Did you get an axe for your husband?
No, I didn't.
You may not, but your friends.
Bring an axe.
He said, have you ever heard of anyone who had the nerve to go to speak to the
to the people you know this morning
You know, a couple of nights I didn't even have a chance.
No, I had to go borrow something from June or Reba.
I went to the airport in L.A. and went down yesterday.
And it's true.
You were in L.A. yesterday?
Yes.
You must be bush.
I mean, you're a very young dog.
I'm sorry.
I get tired.
I really do.
When he left for Nashville yesterday morning, he had four of our daughters.
He had four of them.
He had six.
And one son.
Four of them.
Seven.
Six daughters and a son.
Six daughters and a son.
The little bullpens for the daughters.
You get three bullpens and a little pen for that.
These are little things.
That's all we got, California.
This incident is very interesting to me.
It's the reproduction by a British artist of what the White House was back in the middle of the 80s of the 19th century.
You see, at that time, the Tonic River or some tributary used to come right up to here.
And here is the lawn.
Theodore Roosevelt was the man who designed and built this wing, and this wing, and these wings, put on.
And later, at a earlier time, there's a memorial.
And that's the way that my house was built.
Of course, it was not there then.
Well, it burned.
No, before this.
It burned before.
Before this.
This was the reconstruction.
Well, we thank you very much.
Good luck and we wish you the best.
We hope that sometime in the future we have you in the White House again.
We were very happy to meet you.
It was a great show.
Thank you.
There you are.
Take your bowser back.
Oh, good.
Thank you.
That's fine.
You had a fine picture with those.
It was fine.
I should probably use it.
I don't know why.
I don't know.
Yes, ma'am.