Nixon White House Tapes › Tape 854 › Conversation 854-025

Nixon & Bull on Donald Rumsfeld

Tuesday, February 13, 1973 · 12:35 PM–12:38 PM ET · Oval Office · 31 sec

ParticipantsNixon, Richard M. (President); Bull, Stephen B.Conversation854-025 on Tape 854StartTuesday, February 13, 1973 at 12:35 PMEndTuesday, February 13, 1973 at 12:38 PMRecording deviceOval OfficeSourceNixon Library record for 854-025 ↗

AI Summary

President Nixon and Stephen B. Bull coordinate a brief meeting or phone call with Donald Rumsfeld before his departure for Brussels. Nixon expresses a desire to bid Rumsfeld farewell, tasking Bull with determining whether a personal meeting at the National Airport or a telephone call would be more convenient given Rumsfeld’s travel schedule. The discussion serves as a logistical arrangement to facilitate this brief high-level interaction.

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Let's go across the community, sir.
I understand Roosevelt's leaving in one hour for Breslin.
Would you like me to- Sure.
Right away.
He's a mobile.
He'll be going to the Nationals in New York so we can have him.
And my job ain't to ask him if it's gonna put him out.
He doesn't need to come.
If he's going to the National Airport, this is almost a commiser.
If not, I can tell him that I can talk to him on the phone.
You tell him.
I just want to say goodbye to him.
If he'd rather I was talking on the phone.

NARA Description

On February 13, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon and Stephen B. Bull met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 12:35 pm and 12:38 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 854-025 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid

Conversation No. 854-25

Date: February 13, 1973
Time: Unknown between 12:35 pm and 12:38 pm
Location: Oval Office

The President met with Stephen B. Bull.

       President’s schedule
              -Gen. Brent G. Scowcroft
              -Donald H. Rumsfeld
                      -Brussels
                      -Departure for New York
                             -National Airport
                      -Meeting with the President
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                   NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                                                             Conversation No. 854-25 (cont’d)

                     -Telephone call

Bull left at an unknown time before 12:38 pm.

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  • 854-026 12:38 PM · 6 min — President Richard M. Nixon, Gen. Brent G. Scowcroft, and Stephen B. Bull met in the Oval Office of the White House from 12:38 pm to 12:43 pm.
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  • 854-028 12:45 PM · 52 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and Stephen B. Bull met in the Oval Office of the White House from 12:45 pm to 12:46 pm.
  • 854-029 12:46 PM · 26 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and Stephen B. Bull met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 12:46 pm and 12:55 pm.
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Cite this conversation

Conversation 854-025, February 13, 1973. White House Tapes, Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, National Archives. Audio and AI transcript via Easy Nixon, https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/854-025 (accessed October 1, 2026).