Nixon White House Tapes › Tape 897 › Conversation 897-005

Nixon & Bull on Building trades unions and George P. Shultz

Monday, April 16, 1973 · 10:40 AM–10:50 AM ET · Oval Office · 37 sec

ParticipantsNixon, Richard M. (President); Bull, Stephen B.Conversation897-005 on Tape 897StartMonday, April 16, 1973 at 10:40 AMEndMonday, April 16, 1973 at 10:50 AMRecording deviceOval OfficeSourceNixon Library record for 897-005 ↗

President Nixon and Stephen B. Bull met to coordinate the scheduling of an upcoming address to the building trades unions. They discussed logistical delays and decided to adjust the departure time to accommodate a shift of approximately 15 minutes. The conversation focused on ensuring the President arrived appropriately for the event in coordination with George P. Shultz.

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I'm going to be about 5, about, shall we say, I'm running about 10 minutes, but I need, what time is it supposed to be?
So it was 1045, sir, but they seem to be running late, and I'm fine.
We can tell them if they are running late, but just tell them that we're going to be 15 minutes.
15 minutes, well, you're fine.
5 minutes, what is that?
7 minutes.

On April 16, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon and Stephen B. Bull met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 10:40 am and 10:50 am. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 897-005 of the White House Tapes.

Conversation No. 897-5

Date: April 16, 1973
Time: 10:40 am - 10:50 am
Location: Oval Office

The President met with Stephen B. Bull.

        President’s schedule
               -Address to building trades unions
                       -Time
                              -Delay
                       -George P. Shultz
                       -Departure time

Bull left at an unknown time before 10:50 am.
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                   NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM
  • 897-001 9:24 AM · 1 min — President Richard M. Nixon and Stephen B. Bull met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 9:24 am and 9:50 am.
  • 897-003 9:50 AM · 28 min — President Richard M. Nixon, H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman, John D. Ehrlichman, and Stephen B. Bull met in the Oval Office of the White House from 9:50 am to 9:59 am.
  • 897-004 10:00 AM · 37 min — President Richard M. Nixon, John W. Dean, III, and Stephen B. Bull met in the Oval Office of the White House from 10:00 am to 10:40 am.
  • 897-006 10:40 AM · 56 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and Stephen B. Bull met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 10:40 am and 10:50 am.
  • 897-007 10:40 AM · 13 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and Stephen B. Bull met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 10:40 am and 10:50 am.
  • 897-008 10:40 AM · 55 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and Stephen B. Bull met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 10:40 am and 10:50 am.
  • 897-017 10:40 AM · 14 sec — Stephen B. Bull, unknown person(s), and Peter J. Brennan met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 10:40 am and 10:50 am.
  • 897-009 10:50 AM · 13 min — President Richard M. Nixon, H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman, unknown person(s), and John D. Ehrlichman met in the Oval Office of the White House from 10:50 am to 11:04 am.

Conversation 897-005, April 16, 1973. White House Tapes, Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, National Archives. Audio and AI transcript via Easy Nixon, https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/897-005 (accessed October 12, 2026).