Nixon & Ziegler on Watergate and John W. Dean III

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Yes, sir.

I don't know how I'm supposed to do this.

Probably have to skirt through this again.

Why, Ron, don't we have to do this twice?

Do you have a photo?

Yes, sir.

You see the White House, don't you?

Yes, sir.

Now that is exactly the line that needs to get out that nobody here has really written in such precise, sharp terms.

It hasn't been said from my office here, and I understand why you can't ask for so much about it.

But if this is it, I mean, let...

Every day of the week.

Thank you to our lawyers and our grads for helping us.

Yes, I read it.

I read it.

The amount of time is also in a similar direction.

A little of that would be quite helpful for the rest of the day.

Here's a buddy of mine from Oxford.

In fact, that's part of what we want to do here.

We don't have a whole operation on that thing.

If it's not that low, it'll go just off the wind.

We're going to just make those things and get out of things.

We're going to do all that.

You've got to wait until it's used.

So nice.

We didn't do it on your name.

It's not going to come on your name.

I was asked by the White House to do it.

Because that's a very possible Detroit.

That states a lot of truth.

Well, look, Frank, Oakland, Paris, I don't want to visit.

Now I'm going to get a report on it.

Let me say this.

The country is not waiting for the pay to break.

It's not waiting to get this.

At this exact time in December, we only had a few of the countries in the conference.

They'll say, oh, it must have happened.

So now you're with you and all the rest.

But Henry just got a message that was waiting in.

This is what you're talking about, Wes?

Yes.

All right.

Did they restore you to the way?

That's right.

And then he admitted his country was stressful for him.

It's not any good.

I hope he gets it, but I doubt he will in this little case.

Well, if he might, if they're still meeting over there.

Well, you know, their meeting, I mean, he's got to be asked to have a little conversation.

No, but I mean, there's a North McCain on that little suggestion.

Right.

Right, right.

I, uh...

Well, the overall, those emphasis goes to parish hooks and strongly to the economy, right?

Anticipation to the economy, and Jerry can build that up throughout the day.

Anticipating something this week, the three o'clock meeting this afternoon will of course stimulate that further.

Um, the Watergate thing still sort of plugs along.

Sarita has granted Dean a minute from prosecution, and I just had a talk with Bazaar about this, and he feels that Dean could possibly go on next week, which is just perfect as far as I'm concerned, and he agrees with that.

He's got it, doesn't he?

Yes, sir.

But that's not, that can use an interview, is it?

Did he go into the ?

Well, it's his identity.

In other words, as I understand it, is that anything that he says before the committee cannot be used against him in the court.

But anything up to this point that they have as evidence can be used against him.

Now, we're doing a couple, and Bazard is doing this,

to attack on this immunity thing and also some indirect approaches to columnists through a fellow that has worked with Wilson and others attacking these credibility and this immunity question.

So that's .

That's right.

And that's a good idea.

I'm sure we've got to write the columns for them.

That's what has.

Well, it was inevitable that this would happen.

Well, it's not structural.

Everybody's fighting about that.

They're fighting, you know, the illusion.

You know, you've got to be very careful, though.

That thing is grabbing on very hard there.

You know, he doesn't get any way across the table.

That's right.

And it's only on the men's area, because he's always up there going on.

The Dean letters did pretty good play.

The prosecutor's letter was very damaging.

I don't know if you saw it today.

It was the first real crack of Dean.

And did not, I'm told by those who saw it, did not play well in his behalf.

The prosecutor's making those statements now.

But from the column standpoint, I do think that's a good play.

You're meeting with Kissinger yesterday, I think that's a good play.

I've put you on the front page of the Post.

And I bet that results in a good news play.

Broder had an interesting column this morning, which states very clearly those who are moving away from the press,

about murder during the conclusion are going to be the losers, whereas those smart public figures and politicians who have supported the president are in the long run going to be the ones who hang, which is a good point.

It's going to be a tough battle out there, but he said, you know, he analyzes the way that changes up and feels that those who

who are smart enough now to look at this as only a slight adoration of the...

It's another slide that's very strict about any of that.

These guys have got the side of the gun.

They've got all the accuracy.

Well, anyway, that's... Back shoes.

off that piece in the New York Times was interesting too where he talks about the reign of Charles II in England when his court was because of the Catholic problem had a lot of difficulties and points out that he made it very clear that he would not be intimidated he would not be back away he would continue to lead and the result of that was

restoration of calm.

He is chiefly, therefore, remembered for an era of peace, stability, and prosperity simply because he did not allow his adversaries to intimidate him, to drive him away, to, in fact, destroy him, which was their tenet.

So that's an interesting point.

Well, I'm not expressing that.

I want you to read carefully, because in reading, in his anguish, he

It gets to the heart better than any heart on the Strat.

It's better than you can.

Anybody else has gotten to it.

But I want the Strat.

I want it circulated every other weekend that they remember the Strat.

And, you know, it's a very important reading.

It really is.

It gives them the line of thinking.

Because it goes in chapters for everything you're on.

Okay.

Dan Earnshaw did a good job this morning on seeing us move.

Talking about the basic law of the strength of the person, the leadership, the achievements of the past four and a half years.

Some of our people know her.

Say it makes a whole circle.

The other thing is just probably having the same.

And Anne makes a good positive impression.

Some very tough questions came back.

Very fortunate.

Good for her.

Cara was very impressed by it.

She made the one key point.

They asked, well, how could the president not be aware of this?

Thank God he was occupied with other things during this period, because it was because of the preoccupied political system that we no longer have a war in Vietnam.

We have a prisoner's home.

We no longer have a draft.

We have, uh, we moved, uh, further for peace and all that kind of thing.

We just came back to this.

That's great.

That's just, that's unhappening.

It's true.

It happens to be true.

very often, but they just know that.

That would really help a lot to hear from you.

Of course it's not.

Al said that several senators are in the opposition against Jackson on this.

That's in the works, too.

Tim's worked on it quite well last night.

He said the Goldwater

I think three or four on that field was another one that he had.

You think so?

Yeah.

I think so, yes sir.

Al said this morning that the several of them that has already sent what they intended to say down.

So, they didn't have anybody on that church to watch.

And again, I don't know.

You can get hardwired, you can use him for some of those spells when he knows the spell and that.

But, uh...

But you call, you know, I mean, give it a go too.

But I did, for example, like a half-bill who loved air, and was most grateful for that.

I mean, it's just, um, it's not something I contributed much to, but he's, he's, he, you know, I'm so glad he did too.

Such programs do not come to me.

I want the group out there to serve and to be thinking of the things that they do.

I don't want the group out there to be heavy handed and get into the White House and all that kind of shit.

But what I've heard is that Dean will be on, as Art said, probably prior to the prosecutor shouts on Friday.

Right.

And then we'll put him on public with the following meeting.

Right.

So we need a very successful meeting with the Constitutional Commission.

We have to see if the Constitutional Commission is great enough or is great enough or loyal enough to ask all the questions that we have.

But ask him or not.

We've just got to face the fact that Dean's coming.

give us a hello, and then we have got to do what we can and just ride it through.

That's right.

But also, in doing that, we should have a way to get away without a discerning cross-examination, which is very difficult.

If we can, yes.

But if we don't get the cross-examination, which people will see.

And then if it was to have various, and they all line them up now.

Everybody, this is the big team that's got to go through the operation.

uh, Goldwater, of course, uh, uh, Scott, or, uh, if you could get one little, it would be great.

Harlow Covey, um, about 10, 10 names would be reasonable, if you could even get him.

John Sasson said, it was our choice, we'll see him.

uh, you know, attack on the president.

And he ain't gonna, I'm sure he'll say it.

It's not the Democrats that they're gonna say it.

But the work we've done, it's good to buy a parcel.

And that, of course, serves the columnists as well, because part of their analysis of what it means to be Saturday night, putting that tune on at the same time.

I just can't believe what the country has done to you.

The majority of the country has done to you beyond being the president of the United States.

Some of it goes a long way.

It goes a long way, right?

Well, we'll leave it.

The importance is it always is.

Again, come on.

Push.

You know, I have to be sure that you're

I don't think you're over the movies aren't you?

You've got some people like that.

There's a friend who just knocked off on the radio.

He left out of Cincinnati this time.

It's a great movie.

It's shocking.

But don't let it be that you've got Richardson and all that get out on the line.

That's what's been the plan.

Now you've got the FBI, sir.

And now it's a, now it's a hurry.

Move that a little bit to the corner.

I'm talking now, but I think Richard has a message.

He hasn't.

Yeah, he probably hasn't before.

I'll be good with him.

Well, Lisa comes in to be a little different this week than last week.

Last week, the week before, the week before, the week before, the 7th of January.

Yes, I did.

Absolutely.

The whole time in the news, and I think the sense of the country, the White House, the broad statements, the sense of the staff, the sense of the staff, the sense in the press.

Yes, sir.

Without question.

It's funny how the law expresses itself before any testifies.

Yes, it does.

I don't know.

No, I think it's about it.

There was a story this morning pointing out that the Cox team is a group of New Frontiersmen, which is not a bad thing to say again, before the appropriate time.

Thanks, Judy.

You've got to be an unexpressible.

Getting next to the microphone over Europe and Canada, driving, talking.

Presidents are sitting all in the back.

It's got the stirrups on the mark.

It certainly is.

It's part of the political vision.

Tempting of courage.

You about to read it today?

No.

I'm going to get to understand it.

Today and the rest of the week, to the degree I can, I'm getting a tenacious thing to say to Doug, so...

to organize and get them moving in the area of Indianapolis.

And I'm going to get some people and talk to them about the way we should proceed.

Get the organization in place.

So the type of things we're talking about can be done automatically or automatically.

All right.

Thank you.

Nixon & Ziegler on Watergate and John W. Dean III

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